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Fabio,
Electrons create the gas through electron avalanche
Electrons are absorbed by water gas during process
Electrons are released when the gas dissociates or burn .
Electrons are natural catalyst.
I am convinced that this is the right way

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Is not possible that meyer reached this multipacting effect only by using right frequency, reaching a certain tension? You really think he hide something?

I discovered that he hide magnetic fields... and i think his chokes shouldn't be coupled to be free to oscillate at different frequencies... He might use a current source in later vics cause is easier to do it solid state, in opposition to the alternator voltage source.

A voltage source have low internal impedance and can provide "infinite" amps in a short circuit, while a current source has high internal impedance provide aways the same current whatever is the impedance of the circuit so is not "fixed" voltage...Of course in real life one is a bit the other and other is a bit one-

Meyer clearly stated his method was exactly to prevent electrolysis. In my point of view it has to do with impeding the ionic and or free electrons movement inside the cell, ions walks back and forth transporting charge, creating the leakage current or the water capacitor.

For meyer system higher frequency, low conductance of the water, is desirable to be able to restrict the amps. What matters is that the resistance of the water to DC current be many times (this reason is the Q factor) bigger than the reactances... Ionic movement and electron movement are prevented the smaller is the period.

I think meyer could be applying 5v 2 amps to the resonance not to the alternator field coils...

#79 · date not recorded

Ciao Fabio,
Nature think simply. We live thanks to the nature. Water, air, sun.. An my friend call Meyer "master of secrecy", and have right. Similarry to Leonardo da Vinci him have hidden some informations divided into some documents. Meyer was surely an great man but probably have found the wrong people. Inside documents and images that I have sended here is present every "water as dielectric", that is a clue. I'm sure that wfc work simply using dielectric absorption process. Meyer create brown gas? If yes extra electrons spiltted are presents inside. You need to focalize you on images sended yesterday from me. WFC have an ghost connection.. earth (or ground using an car). Meyer use AC not negative field in inner electrode and filter that on outer tube simply adding an hv diode trasforming in positive half field. But for create best electron avalanche you need ground. The key? Meyer use variable HV power supply using step-up transformer.. and hidden component inside WFC.. connected to only earth. Fabio I have spent years and some moneys for study and realized prototypes , my is private work .. but ...I want indicate to you the right way because every one must be independent for energy creation but I can't sent you my plans. You need to read better my words and after reassume all on paper. I hope you understand my point of view.. Regards Alessandro

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I succeeded in doing electrolysis of distilled water doing this thing of putting ac in the inner electrode and positive on the outer... however I didn't achieved a huge production... look at this image… the problem is that the resonance was getting back in the primary and burning the mosfet so i stop working on that.

I'm ahead that meyer use this mystic ground but anyone could understand it well, i believe it to be the mounting ground of the cell (plastic insulation)... And i succeeded in oscillating the tuned coil with this capacitance between the inner cell and a "ground" electrode outside the insulated cell..

What would be a hiden component? a barium titanate? a magnet? a coil? the laser?

How about the ghost ground? please give us a direction.

I researched about every terms you talked about, to fully understand what you are saying, however still not clear the dielectric absorption process you mean.

I also believer Meyer found the wrong people, cause i know who also found them...

B.Regards
Fabio

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Yes, don't work because you have the high resistance produce from distilled water. You need an ELECTRON EMITTER inside WFC cell.
Seem that you don't read my words.. dielectric absorption and electron avalanche.. you need to start from here.. You have to understand how work. On internet are presents great examples.. need that you open your mind.. forget Meyer papers for an second. Your mind must be think independently from these papers.

"The force of the free electrons is then enhanced by dielectrophoresis and electrophoresis acting in a nonuniform electric field (positive field) , resulting in the electrons being forced at a high velocity into a small volume surrounding the 'emitter device'. Such a device or configuration can be set up anywhere, on any scale - even inside a liquid providing the liquid is a dielectric."

Quote from: tutanka on October 14, 2011, 18:08:21 pm

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Yes, don't work because you have the high resistance produce from distilled water. You need an ELECTRON EMITTER inside WFC cell.
Seem that you don't read my words.. dielectric absorption and electron avalanche.. you need to start from here.. You have to understand how work. On internet are presents great examples.. need that you open your mind.. forget Meyer papers for an second. Your mind must be think independently from these papers.

"The force of the free electrons is then enhanced by dielectrophoresis and electrophoresis acting in a nonuniform electric field (positive field) , resulting in the electrons being forced at a high velocity into a small volume surrounding the 'emitter device'. Such a device or configuration can be set up anywhere, on any scale - even inside a liquid providing the liquid is a dielectric."

Do you use a spark gap as electron transmitter,Tut?

Steve

#83 · date not recorded

NO! Any discharge inside. You need to create electrons flow inside. Need that you study dielectric absorption if you want really found the way. I repeat me .. You need and ELECTRON EMITTER INSIDE!

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A kind of coating?

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If you coating your wfc cell internally to outer tube and externally to inner tube you create an simple DBD reactor.. but not an electron emitter.

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Read that!! http://oriharu.net/ufophysics/efg.htm

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Attached some types of DBD (Dielectric Barrier Discharge) Reactors

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Fabio,
Inside your circuit I don't see any step-up transformer? How many voltage you produce? Inner electrode must be converted into electron emitter and outer tube must have positive field. But you need high voltage for process dielectric water not low voltage. Free electrons, generated from electron emitter, must have high speed, they must impacts on molecules to knock of more electrons. HV Positive field on outer tube increase electrons speed. Now is more clear or you want that I sent you complete plans including UV reactor for micronic gas production?

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Quote from: tutanka on October 14, 2011, 17:27:06 pm

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What you are saying is that the stainless steel inner electrode will become an electron emitter at a certain alternating negative tension applied to it?

Negative relative to what?

The complete plans would be great

I reached 6,000 between the inner electrode and the outside of the cell having yet 800 between the tubes... I got gas with very pure "distilled" water... however was too small production..and burning lots of transistors... is not so trivial

hydrogenmask

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Meyer use variable HV power supply using step-up transformer.. and hidden component inside WFC.. connected to only earth.

I am still trying to visualize what you mean exactly here.

HM

#91 · date not recorded

You don't need fixed voltage but tunable voltages and fixed frequency.
Water is earth, inner electrode is AC outer electrode is HV positive field.
Water is the dielectric, liquid electrode and hydrogen/oxygen source at the same time!!
Inner electrode is inside dielectric (connected to earth) !!
See how work electron generator of Patrick Flanagan.. you don't watch better!!!!
If now you don't have understand I sent you plans

hydrogenmask

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Something like this ?

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#93 · date not recorded

yes, the truth is very close!

#94 · 16 Oct 2011

Best example of Alex Petty circuit.. him have understand the way but forget ground inside water (casually?)
Jean Naudin instead have added the dielectric around inner electrode

However for obtain best results you need AC/DC (rectifier diode) heterodyne circuit.. suggest to use half-bridge driver simple and functional

Merge all of these togheter and you obtain right process.

WFC can be designed differently for semplify and amplify the electron cascade and for solve high voltage discharges inside.
Remember that WFC in fact is an capacitor with metal around.

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Hi Tut,

The schematic of Petty is not different then Meyers schematic.
So you are saying that if we have a ground hooked up to the negative innertube, we will see magic?
Do you have such a setup working?
Maybe its time for a little youtube movie as demonstration?

Steve

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The Alex Petty design in fact is the same of Meyer..

The WFC is an DBD reactor how INNER tube is coated (dielectric) outer tube not.
The circuit connection is OPEN and diode have function of half rectifier only.
Puharich use only RF , Meyer use voltage with heterodyne (two different pulsed frequencies inside cell).
Nothing is magic but all have an sense. You have to understand that ONLY water is grounded not INNER ELECTRODE. WFC is an open cell because electrons stripped have important function inside.
If you change an little design and material of WFC you increase a lot gas production using electron cascade process. Patrick Flanagan is an better example, him charge an "dielectric from two plates, all is covered from dielectric". In fact "covered dielectric" is our water and is the ground at the same time. Jean Naudin have covered inner electrode using an dielectric .. Extracted from Naudin web site:

"The center electrode of the WFC v1.0 has been covered with a thin adhesive plastic sheet so has to get a fully insulated cathod"

Naudin circuit isn't good because cathode is connected to ground and in that way dielectric absorption don't work!!

INNER ELECTRODE MUST BE AC!!

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Quote from: tutanka on October 16, 2011, 19:28:51 pm

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The Alex Petty design in fact is the same of Meyer..

The WFC is an DBD reactor how INNER tube is coated (dielectric) outer tube not.
The circuit connection is OPEN and diode have function of half rectifier only.
Puharich use only RF , Meyer use voltage with heterodyne (two different pulsed frequencies inside cell).
Nothing is magic but all have an sense. You have to understand that ONLY water is grounded not INNER ELECTRODE. WFC is an open cell because electrons stripped have important function inside.
If you change an little design and material of WFC you increase a lot gas production using electron cascade process. Patrick Flanagan is an better example, him charge an "dielectric from two plates, all is covered from dielectric". In fact "covered dielectric" is our water and is the ground at the same time. Jean Naudin have covered inner electrode using an dielectric .. Extracted from Naudin web site:

"The center electrode of the WFC v1.0 has been covered with a thin adhesive plastic sheet so has to get a fully insulated cathod"

Naudin circuit isn't good because cathode is connected to ground and in that way dielectric absorption don't work!!

INNER ELECTRODE MUST BE AC!!

Hi Tut,

Thank you for your patience and your explanations. I really do.
Still i dont have the full picture, i think.

So, i made a drawing...Please your comments on it.

Steve

more links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_barrier_discharge

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#98 · date not recorded

HI Steve,
Connections are wrong. You can use one (same diagram of Alex) or two different HV power supply, on flyback with diode, one flyback without diode and only one common ground connected inside water. Important is that INNER ELECTRODE must be powered with AC variable HV source

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STEP-UP TRANSFORMER..

NOW YOU UNDERSTAND?

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