Start here your topics on the water injector & ambient airgasprocessor system

Started by unknown · 3 January 2010 · 132 posts · last reply 4 November 2011

1. hydrogenmask

   #101 · date not recorded

   Thanks Tutanka,
   
   What do you suggest as to earthing the waterbath. Can we use a mesh tube in between the electrodes like shown in the pic attached?
   And what material do you suggest as for insulating the center electode?
   
   
   HM

   attachment_9807 waterbath earthed.jpg

2. tutanka

   #102 · date not recorded

   Hello,
   Not waterbath but only water.. Mesh tube can be an interested solution but is suggested from?? as dielectric you can use ceramic, glass, plexiglass, etc..

3. tutanka

   #103 · 18 Oct 2011

   HI HydrogenMask,
   If you want use mesh tube you need to change an little internal design of WFC or you obtain some discharges from positive to mesh tube (grounded). Regards Alessandro

4. hydrogenmask

   #104 · 18 Oct 2011

   Do you think that earthing the water inlet of the cell (i.e. the water entering the cell) does the job ? the less complicated is better
   
   HM

5. tutanka

   #105 · 18 Oct 2011

   I don't think that you have put mesh tube casually.. There is a reason for this. Maybe you can explain to all.

6. hydrogenmask

   #106 · 18 Oct 2011

   No I just tought about it.

7. tutanka

   #107 · 18 Oct 2011

   Can be that you had good intuition.. however you can use mesh tube as ground but need right gap from inner and outer tube.

8. hydrogenmask

   #108 · date not recorded

   So now the question is what are the right gaps in between?
   Should we place the ground mesh in the exact middle between the inner and outer tube or should it be closer to the inner insulation of the inner tube?
   Attached i posted a picture with the mesh exactly in the middle between electrodes just for visual perpose.
   Another thing we can notice is that we have less capacitance between the electrodes now because of the mesh area in the middle.
   Something else to think about is that Steven Meyer used a 3 electrode setup 
   
   HM

   attachment_9839 earthed2.jpg

9. tutanka

   #109 · date not recorded

   From outer to mesh tube 5mm of gap from mesh tube to inner 2mm of gap

   attachment_9841 earthed2-alex.jpg

10. tutanka

    #110 · date not recorded

    The mesh tube has a sense it is no coincidence that it is put inside.
    The operational cycle of the device, illustrated in the diagram, consists of two stages.
    Initially, a discharge is produced between mesh tube (3) and the
     dielectric (2) by a high voltage pulse applied to electrode (1).
     Electrons flow to the dielectric and charge it Negatively,
     thereby terminating the discharge. In this way, a temporary
     or virtual cathode is formed on the dielectric surface.
     During the second stage, the dielectric-covered electrode
     (1) is switched to ground potential and a new discharge will
     start. The electrons are now accelerated in the thin layer of
     the cathode fall region, thereby Gaining an energy linearly
     proportional to the applied voltage. The accelerated electrons
     are subsequently emitted from the DBD region via a perforated
     mesh tube.

    attachment_9847 ELECTRON_EMISSION.png

11. sebosfato

    #111 · 19 Oct 2011

    So you do need the ceramic dielectric?

12. tutanka

    #112 · 19 Oct 2011

    HI Fabio,
    You can use all you want as dielectric.. personally I use quartz tube

13. tutanka

    #113 · 19 Oct 2011

    The main problem is create perfect contact from inner electrode with dielectric.. I have solved that after few tests using an "liquid electrode", inside quartz tube I have put electrolyte solution formed from distilled water and koh. Inside tube centrally an SS316L electrode for HV energy propagation.. see diagram attached.. with this last information all of you are able to create an working cell for produce brown gas. About micronic gas.. Im sorry but for that system I can't sent you additional informations.. I hope you understand.. Regards Alessandro

    attachment_9859 nuova_cella_hho_update.png

14. hydrogenmask

    #114 · 19 Oct 2011

    Hi Tut
    
    Thanks for your cooperation!
    What is the thickness of the quartz tube you are using ?

15. tutanka

    #115 · 19 Oct 2011

    thickness of quartz tube is 1,6-2mm

16. tutanka

    #116 · 19 Oct 2011

    From 1 november 2011 I'm able to sent you all materials (including plan) for build that cell at popular price, in that way you save more time for find these on internet. Complete plan for Electron Cascade Cell is also available for personal usage at 50 euro with payment trough paypal. If you are interested sent me email to alnenc@libero.it. Regards Alessandro
    
    P.S. Also Iontruster can buy these.. no problems

17. tutanka

    #117 · 19 Oct 2011

    FOR COMPANIES ..
    
    Plans for commercial usage are selled to different price with license.

18. kickbackemf

    #118 · date not recorded

    Guys,
    
    I've seen some noticeable increase in gas production by using a negative titanium outer tube with a stainless lead wire pressed against it.  The inner positive epoxy filled tube is stainless 304.  I think that the titanium makes a strong oxide coating that increases over time and builds an oxide layer that acts as a dielectric barrier.
    
    The water stays crystal clear in this arrangement, however, when I switch polarity the iron flows out of the stainless and clouds the water quickly with red oxide. 
    
    This may be a way to build a dielectric barrier in a natural way and it works well enough for me to pursue this more.
    
    kb

19. tutanka

    #119 · date not recorded

    If you use pure quartz tube and SS316L as perforated tube and outer tube you don't have problems. Water remain clear during the process. Work of outer tube is simple, only attraction/repulsion of free electrons for increase speed of these.

20. tutanka

    #120 · date not recorded

    
    
    Brown gas =water capacitor gas

21. tutanka

    #121 · date not recorded

    EEC of Stan Meyer

    attachment_9886 attachment_9890 eec.jpg meyer_cell_eec.jpg

22. sebosfato

    #122 · date not recorded

    I thought meyer was using corona discharge in this diagram...

    attachment_9892 meyer_cell_ground.jpg

23. tutanka

    #123 · date not recorded

    Dielectrics information..

     dielettrico.pdf

24. tutanka

    #124 · date not recorded

    Quote from: sebosfato on October 20, 2011, 19:22:34 pm

    I thought meyer was using corona discharge in this diagram...
    

    
    Fabio,
    Test corona discharge in water and see what appear after few minutes to your transformer..

25. Bubz

    #125 · date not recorded

    Quote from: tutanka on October 21, 2011, 14:02:02 pm

    Quote from: sebosfato on October 20, 2011, 19:22:34 pm

    I thought meyer was using corona discharge in this diagram...
    

    
    Fabio,
    Test corona discharge in water and see what appear after few minutes to your transformer..
    

    
    A ballast, gear, choke, what ever you want to call it, will solve that problem.