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Started by unknown · · 132 posts · last reply 4 November 2011

  1. tutanka

    #51 · date not recorded

    About Patrick alias Iontruster alias Oneminde
     
    Inside eureka pdf document is written:So I proposed this new chemical formation to Tutanka (Alessandro) and be hold. He back stabbed me and took all the credit, releasing this material in Energeticforum.com under his alias.
     
    These statements are completely false! Him contact me for obtain informations for build and sell reactor but when I have understand that I have immediately cut any contact with him trough skype and also I have written that on energeticforum.com.
    Project of Patrick or Oneminde was build an voltrolisys cell for creation of brown gas based on Meyer documents but surely don't have reached the success because this type of person don't create anything just copy .
    However I am really disgusted by this kind of people who unfortunately are on the internet and stealing the work of others.
    Attached photos are of my system mounted for powered an cogenerator of 500kW.
    Mr. Patrick (alias Oneminde on energeticforum.com) please sent also you photos of yours system, you don't have written that are you the creator of micronic gas??
     
    Unfortunately for oneminde all remain written on forums, I have just spent two minutes for found these:


    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86852
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86877
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86889
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5381-ammonia-nh3-fuel-car-3.html#post86896

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  2. Steve

    #52 · date not recorded

    Hi Tut,


    Did you run that hugh engine on HHO and micronic fuell alone?
    No diesel or petrol, or whatever?


    Steve

  3. tutanka

    #53 · date not recorded

    Micronic gas can run an engine completely, cogenerator 500kw is based on 20.000cc diesel engine and need every oil for start combustion. For legislative italian laws at this time cogenerators can use only 30% of green fuels as additive the other 70% must be oil or diesel. Attached extract from scientific document on NH3-N2O interaction.

     Extract from scientific document.pdf

  4. tutanka

    #54 · date not recorded

    OTHER METHOD FOR GENERATION OF BROWN GAS
    At today you can found only faraday electrolyzers on market but as you know problem is high amount of energy needed for obtain properly reaction. At this time no more solutions are presents on internet, also Bob Boyce an guru on brown gas production don't have found another way and for low amount of gas produced use an large amount of energy and every the electrolyte inside water including some heat produced. At today I know that one or maybe two companies in the world are working on development on meyer cell. Initially working in tandem with Mike Nunnerley I'm starting project of reactor for creation of ammonia/nitrous oxide, we obtain these molecules in output but that system is composed from many stages. I had long planned to use the brown gas, the feeling that I was eliminated by simplifying the way the various stages of production of new fuel.   The brown gas has always fascinated me, and I have performed many experiments cannot deny that I broke two cells during the experiments. In any case I never had time to do experiments at the university to see what was actually Brown's gas. But today I can tell you with absolute certainty that the brown gas is only "charged water",  to change state from liquid to gas. With the brown gas I solve two problems, the proper mix of water with nitrogen and the other can eliminate the catalyst that emits electrons. The major problem still remained the production of gas. So I got to thinking, in my mind hundreds of readings of Meyer and Puharich and to the concepts of my reactor, all mixed together when all of a sudden I had the right inspiration. Puharich uses water and salt for the simple reason that the only water is "transparent" to radio waves. The water when it is "filtered sometimes"  is a very good dielectric. however the dielectric can be "doped". The dielectric can be used as an good emitter of free electrons, free electrons can be used to create an effect called "electron avalanche", but consider that water is also our source of hydrogen and oxygen then using this method the water dissociates itself. Two images are attached, first is extracted from patent 5,149,407 of Stan Meyer, second new cell in working state. The method I use does not differ much from Meyer the only difference that I used a completely different low voltage power supply and connected differently to the points A/B. I always thought that Stanley Meyer was a genuine genius, perhaps a bit too complicated, probably each of us has a vision and sometimes we think too "complicated" and the best thing is to think simply. Thank you for your attention. Regards Alessandro
       

    P.S.
    With the informations I have provided above an open mind will be able to build my same cell

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  5. tutanka

    #55 · date not recorded

     THAT IS A NEW GAME FOR ALL PEOPLES
     FOUND WHAT IS THE RIGHT MEYER CIRCUIT AND YOU WIN THE TRUTH!!
     
     First circuit is extracted from Patent 5,149,407

     Second circuit extracted from Meyer Full Data document

    Why the circuit cell connection on patent is different from the other?? What is the true and false?

    attachment_9614 attachment_9616 MEYER1_CIRCUIT.jpg MEYER2_CIRCUIT.jpg

  6. Steve

    #56 · date not recorded

    Alessandro,

    The circuits look the same, except for the fact that they connect the electrodes on a different manner.
    Electrons flow from negative to positive.
    If the goal is to extract free electrons from water, then my first guess will be the drawing with the positive connection hooked up to the outer tube.

    Is this the anser?

    Steve

  7. tutanka

    #57 ·

    Steve,
    you're the only one who replied. I probably have not been clear. you do not have to extract electrons from water but the water itself as a dielectric creates free electrons inside when electrically charged. The phenomenon is called dielectric absorption but you need an water bi-distilled for obtain best results and right PH. The second is the correct circuit (positive on outer tube) so it is clear that the first circuit included within the patent has been manipulated.

  8. Steve

    #58 ·

    Steve,
    you're the only one who replied. I probably have not been clear. you do not have to extract electrons from water but the water itself as a dielectric creates free electrons when electrically charged. The phenomenon is called dielectric absorption but you need an water bi-distilled for obtain best results and right PH. The second is the correct circuit (positive on outer tube) so it is clear that the first circuit included within the patent has been manipulated.

    Thank you for sharing this, but what is then left over to know?
    Are you suggesting that we should use salt as catalist?
    And what about the driving circuit with the famous chokes?

    Steve

  9. tutanka

    #59 ·

    HI Steve,
    you have the solution right before your eyes. You need to use salt only if you use RF inside the cell. You do not need even a catalyst, you have enough extra electrons when the brown gas dissociates to liberate hydrogen and oxygen. you just need to figure out what is the dielectric absorption, and that kind of power supply you must use. For this you get to study but not for a long time to fully understand how it works. with respect to water is essential that both bi-distilled and has a pH less than 7 for properly ammonia creation. About chokes..  these can be eliminated for the moment, I don't use these..

  10. tutanka

    #60 · date not recorded

    NITROGEN/WATER GAS REACTION INSIDE UV REACTOR
     
    SEE DIAGRAM ATTACHED

    attachment_9620 NITROGEN_WATERGAS.jpg

  11. sebosfato

    #61 · date not recorded

    Interesting! I appreciate, your theory. Is clear you are working hard and seriously in it. For me the explanation why you get more power than you put in is because is a catalyzed reaction, (maybe almost spontaneous) so you probably just photoactiwate it...


    Makes lot of sense to me.



    I'm studying chemistry of radiation, and i'm learning about fotochemistry... 


    After all if i understood well, you are dissociating and later combusting the N2 with the OH to form N20 and free up H atoms that subsequently joins with N and form amonia or hydrazine...


    Well since water always keeps self-ionizing itself, you get a bunch of oh atoms all the time...


    This agree with the fact that you mean acid water goes better for amonia than for hydrazine...   


    Maybe you dissociate the N2 in a hot arc, and probably thats why you want pure N2. Otherwise you would get it oxidized which is useless for your reaction.


    What intrigue me now is what you mean by "You do not need even a catalyst, you have enough extra electrons when the brown gas dissociates to liberate hydrogen and oxygen. you just need to figure out what is the dielectric absorption, and that kind of power supply you must use."


    What you mean by extra electrons?


    Did you tried diffusion electrodes?

    What you mean here? "You need to use salt only if you use RF inside the cell." Kanzius?


    Best Regards
    Fabio

  12. tutanka

    #62 · date not recorded

    HI Fabio,
    First of all thanks for write here.
    About your question Im happy to reply to you.
    1- Water PH is very important in that process, for obtain NH3 you need PH <7.
    2- You don't need arcs, plasma or some energy lost in heat for ionize nitrogen.. in that thread initially I have been write about that.. nitrogen in fact is ionized from the same water gas directly passing trough the same UV field. You need an "connection" from water gas and nitrogen or reaction can't appear.. you can ionize nitrogen in other stage but the time of ionization is very slow , another method is pre-charge nitrogen as Meyer using gas processor.
    3- About catalyst .. Surely you know how catalyst work.. that is need for add ions or electrons inside reactions.. brown gas is special water gas and the extra electrons are inside molecule. When molecule split or burn released these, in our case are used for new molecule formation, instead when brown gas burn the extra electrons are used for fuse metals, vaporize metals or weld metal or other material together. Only the extra electrons are responsible for that.
    4- About new cell.. In patent of Meyer some informations are wrong, some are reported on other patents for protection but all is written.. I suggest you to download meyer memo pdf file and watch the diagrams inside. Surely your eyes will notice the differences and your mind will analyze it in real time.
    5- If you use RF you must use salt yes.. only 1% inside that but why you want complicate your life? 
    I suggest you follow the road to produce brown gas in quantities reading and looking at the diagrams carefully meyermemo pdf file within the page 84
    Other suggestion.. the liquid water that you put inside cell must be pre-charged first , remember pre-charged as Meyer suggest not pre-ionized  ;)
     
    Regards
    Alessandro
     
     
     

  13. tutanka

    #63 · date not recorded

    Images extracted from meyermemo pdf for to help your mind to quickly understand

    attachment_9622 attachment_9624 attachment_9626 attachment_9628 meyer_light.jpg meyer_ground.jpg meyer_cell_laser.jpg meyer_cell_ground.jpg

  14. tutanka

    #64 · date not recorded

    sebosfato wrote:
    Interesting! I appreciate, your theory. Is clear you are working hard and seriously in it. For me the explanation why you get more power than you put in is because is a catalyzed reaction, (maybe almost spontaneous) so you probably just photoactiwate it...
    Yes! your concept is right, photoactivation is the key (in that case) .. when molecules of water are extremely reactive as brown gas you don't need more energy for split these but only right level of energy in that case right wavelenghts for ionization and dissociation

  15. sebosfato

    #65 · date not recorded

    Well, i think you are right cause you are coincidentally using same words as meyer to describe your results, like when you say water fuel gas.


    I hope you can tell us more about the wave lengths involved and about the water state for the reaction.


    You talk about brown gas, this confused me a lot if you are inputing the photon energy and reacting gases in a region with the electric field applied or if you are electrolyzing the water and than reacting the gas with the nitrogen with just photon... 


    However my best guess is that you are making all this inside an electric field and probably to maximize the surface contact the water is a fine mist of droplets or vapor.




    Seems to me that you say "when molecules of water are extremely reactive as brown gas"


    seems that you mean only changing the configuration of the water molecule, but not actually dissociating it is that correct? 
    How can you charge the water this way?


    Is magnetic field required?






    Thanks
    BEst Regards
    Fabio

  16. tutanka

    #66 · date not recorded

    HI Fabio,
    One diagram is better then some words!
    Now you understand?

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  17. tutanka

    #67 · date not recorded

    Diagram posted in only for understand how principle work, you need to add some stage for filter KOH (if you use that), flashback arrestor, mixing chambre,etc..
    I advise you about brown gas, first of all need to filter gas from electrolyte and water vapour because you can create poison gas very dangerous for life. Second if you use brown gas as additive for your engine you destroy your engine, the time of destruction depend only from the quantity of brown gas that you sent inside.. more brown gas and you destroy your engine fasctly. I have been tested that some time ago on special engine.. main problem is the oil mixed with water that creates an product similar to soap and accelerates the formation of rust on bearings and gears. All brown gas cells actually in commerce are very dangerous for your engine and your wallet. Micronic gas is the only solution. Regards Alessandro

  18. tutanka

    #68 · date not recorded

    From that movie you can understand clearly what is really brown gas.. the extra electrons releasing when brown gas burn can vaporize metals, can melt different materials o metals togheter but brown gas return every water. See video at time 7:12. Imagine the effect of water inside your engine ..

  19. sebosfato

    #69 · date not recorded

    Nice Diagram. Thanks.


    What is a water energizer?


    So you are saying that you create HHO by common means than you amplify the thermal explosive energy adding the nitrogen to the mixture slowing down the burning speed and transforming the high btu in lower but with longer time?


    Why you believe its HHO and not H2 and O2?



    I thought you were interacting the nitrogen directly with water...





  20. tutanka

    #70 · date not recorded

    Water energizer add energy to water trough uv irradiation.. see image attached
    Probably I haven't explain better..   brown gas is water at gas state, that is mixed with nitrogen molecular extracted from nitrogen membrane and sended inside first UV reactor, here water gas (not liquid or vapour), extremely reactive, absorb UV energy and released that ionizing the nitrogen. Is an strange reaction but nitrogen in presence of water gas ionize very faster when is UV irradiated. When mixture ionized of HHO and nitrogen pass inside second UV reactor water gas dissociate at 95% forming ammonia and nitrous oxide thanks to extra electrons released from water gas. Using only nitrogen (and not air)you form new stechiometric fuel (40% NH3, 60%N2O)  burnable with little energy discharge (0,07mJ) and powerful three times of gasoline.
     I hope that now you have understand..

    attachment_9670 extracted from meyermemo.png

  21. sebosfato

    #71 · date not recorded

    Very well my friend. I think now its clear to me... why you need two reactors?


    Is these achievable using uv lamps? Or leds? x-rays? microwaves?


    Is your production of HHO already over unity?


    How much power output increase we are talking about here? I mean relating the burn of pure H2 and your micronic fuel? What exactly do you mean by 3 times that of gasoline? what is the comparative parameter?


    would be possible to use pure hydrogen than to create this micronic fuel? Or it needs the complete reaction?


    Cant you use the exhaust as source of nitrogen?


    Thanks again

  22. Steve

    #72 · date not recorded

    HI Fabio,
    One diagram is better then some words!
    Now you understand?


    Thanks for the drawing.
    It made it more clear!


    And of course, Fabio is asking all the questions that i also had...... ;)




    Thanks again, Tutanka.


    Steve

  23. Steve

    #73 · date not recorded

    Found some pics.


    Is this the type of nitrogen filter you use, Tut?


    Steve

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  24. tutanka

    #74 · date not recorded

    Yes, filter is that .. correct

  25. tutanka

    #75 ·

    Very well my friend. I think now its clear to me... why you need two reactors?
    First reactor is UV ionizer for all (water gas/nitrogen), second is UV splitting for water gas

    Is these achievable using uv lamps? Or leds? x-rays? microwaves?
    You can use uv lamp or leds , in all case as lens use quartz not glass

    Is your production of HHO already over unity?
    surely yes.. but you reach that using only electron avalanche method

    How much power output increase we are talking about here? I mean relating the burn of pure H2 and your micronic fuel? What exactly do you mean by 3 times that of gasoline? what is the comparative parameter?
    I have scientific document that prove that.. as meyer ask you need explosive energy ..

    would be possible to use pure hydrogen than to create this micronic fuel? Or it needs the complete reaction?
    you can use hydrogen but you need also oxygen for create nitrous oxide, don't forget that N2O is important inside that reaction.. thermal explosive energy is formed from nitrous oxide.. see my docs attached. with brown gas you have hydrogen/oxygen/extra electrons.. all in one

    Cant you use the exhaust as source of nitrogen?
    i don't suggest.. you need pure nitrogen and pure water gas.. you need to preserve your micronic production system for long time