Iontruster

Here's something else I've been considering for a while and has recurred to me last night.   The water doesn't actually need to be in direct contact with the SS does it?  I mean, the whole point of this SM's design is to use high charges to pull apart the water molecule, like using magnetic forces.  With the water actually being a lossy dielectric, couldn't we just isolate the SS tubes from the water with some sort of sealant; urethane or epoxy or something?  This would allow a higher voltage charge on the cell, prevent electron transfer to the water, and create additional resistance in the circuit.

This would possibly produce the same effect as the oxide skin, except be more permanent.

Has anyone tried this?

TS

I do not post as often as I did in the past but here we go. I shared your thoughts a while back and searched for info regarding surface protection and metals with higher surface resistance to oxidation as my main focus was on voltage dissociation. But then I listened to the radio show with Stephen (that you can locate on Tony's page). Stephen mention that the electrodes are part of the efficiency, he even used the word over unity. What happens is that the process itself - energy charging the metal and oxidization - releases stored energy in the form of electrons. These electrons now become a part of the surplus energy within the dielectric and hence more energy now becomes available. We can also speculate about the vacuum energy found when the hydrogen atoms becomes ionic species, but that is another debate on its own. So, what Stephen is telling us is that the process use the energy found in the metal, so using protection or PVC on the metal surface limit the total efficiency.

This changes how we view the process as a hole. The iron oxides that we see is not from an acidic environment, but electron surging similar to standard Brute Force Electrolysis. We might even say that there are two process going on: 1'st is the High Voltage and Resonance (fundamental forces and molecular swing) and 2'nd we have the electron collision from Faraday's learning.
Voltage on its own is very hard to get started, so therefor we have the soft start ( charge build up aka, depletion layer) and we have the electron collision. 

It is a trick - yes, a trick, but non the less there. So instead of looking at it as a way of insulating the electrodes, look at it as that the electrodes are part of the system. Now of a sudden we need to change the system - just like Meyer and Stephen found. More free floating radicals (metal ion's) will pick up a charge and allow more electrons to flow, this is similar to straight DC run away effect. He add the steam reformer and filtration so he could keep the water clean and control the dielectric PH levels, temperature and insulation property (which needs to be high for amp restriction).

I hope this info helps you a bit.

Regards
Oneminde

Hi spintronic.


Just a fast responce. Could you do a reply with readings of the transformer and perhaps some images, also the core used - permeability and magnetic flux values allongside wire gage and wraps. This would help even further.


Thank you

Here are a few images from the process used to cut our very first U cores - for your pleasure 
As I mentioned, it takes several attempts to do this, but we learned and have refined the method. The cost is always going to be higher then using a mold to cast the cores. I am letting you know that we can manufacture these types of cores, but this is foremost used only to get the correct value and getting the correct value is not the most easy task at hand. But we are getting there.

A friend of me made 3 pairs for testing - 2 of them was sent to Outlaw and Tony. We are still looking into the permeability and induction of the cores. The price is high for one sett, but after all,they are custom made. When we have the correct value, I recon that there will be made a few of them in the same fashion. But in the end, a production mold must be made, also something that I've investigated and have offers on.

@ wfchobby


Contact me - re_crea_06@hotmail.com


regards

Good morning members. I've attached a PDF called "Eureka Fuel" after a reply I did over at watercar@yahoogroups.com earlier today. Even if the knowledge about the subject's been known for a few years, I thought I would post it here as well before anyone ells claimed the right to it, as it happened before. Not claiming I am the inventor, but rather letting people know that I was part of discovering the events taking place and allowing more individuals to become aware of the knowledge.
I am happy to help further the understanding of the process. So enjoy the information in this document and have a nice day.

Quote: He created a condition where hydrogen atoms decay during the combustion and thereto release a tremendous amount of energy. End Quote.


This is so wrong on so many levels, what you are actually saying is that fission is going on and Sebosfato, that if this was truly happening, we would have Alfa, Beta as well as Gamma radiation and you can trust me on this, hydrogen decay is NOT happening nor will it ever happen unless you actually build a Fission reactor. You really need to study Meyers patents a bit further as well as chemical reactions. I proved in another forum  a long time ago what Meyer did and why he did the things he did in regards to the Gas Processor and the Injectors. So ones more - There is no such thing as atomic decay in this process - There are on the other hand atomic energy release or Ground State Energy Release. No material is destroyed in the process - what you start with is what you end up with. There are stages where there is creation of molecular combinations that is to our advantage and they play an important part of the fuel mixture, but no atom or molecule in its basic configuration is destroyed.
So, before you post more nonsense stuff and random thoughts, please read up on some physics and chemistry involved here,

Don - SM actually states that it will start to elongate at circa 1500V. 

That's right Tony, also, the core is of ferromagnetic material and will act as a frequency doubler, so that should help in the 10kHz question using 5kHz as a base FR.

This paper appears in: PGMTT National Symposium Digest                                                                                                                                            
Issue Date: May 1961                                                                                                                                                                                                  
Digital Object Identifier: 10.1109/PGMTT.1961.1122355                                                                                                                                                                               
Date of Current Version:                                                                 06 januari 2003                                                                                                                                                                                                                  

"In experiments on frequency doubling using ferrite slabs in a   rectangular wave guide, planar ferrites consistently had much greater   conversion efficiency than isotropic ferrites. The principle results are   shown in Fig. 1. The geometry used is also shown in Fig. 1. The primary   frequency was in the range of 8.5 to 9.1 kilomegacycles. The reference   power level (0 db) was one watt peak power. The duty cycle was 10-4. The material properties are given in the appendix."

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1122355

In nuclear physics and nuclear chemistry, a nuclear fission is a nuclear reaction in which the nucleus of an atom splits into smaller parts, meaning the atom is destroyed and you will get energy release in form of heat, light and decaying protons, positrons and neutrons. [/size]In nuclear physics, nuclear chemistry and astrophysics nuclear fusion is the process by which two or more atomic nuclei join together, or "fuse", to form a single heavier nucleus. This is usually accompanied by the release or absorption of large quantities of energy. [/font]

[/size]Lets use the correct word in the correct place so no misunderstanding is occurring.
[/size]First of all, what Meyer does with his laser injected energy is to add energy - yes, he IS adding energy, but not to the nucleus itself. He is adding energy to the electron of said atom to raise the energy. When you add energy to an electron it becomes exited and go into a higher orbit then its lowest energy state. Doing this you either create an atom in suspended and higher energy state which you can release at a later time or you can further add energy to the electron to such a degree that the distance between the nucleus and the electron(s) become infinite - this last state is know as a complete ionization, previous is partial ionization. If we look at partial ionization, this added energy is in form of an electromagnetic event and usually in the form of photons with a certain amount of pre-calculated energy, this energy is absorbed by the electron. Said energy will remain within the electron for a certain amount of time and when it releases this energy, nothing is gained or lost. So therefor, partial ionization is of no use for us. Complete ionization is on the other hand of use since this creates ions - either cations or anions. Doing this allow us to have free floating ions in the medium you are using and in this case, we have air and liberated hydrogen / oxygen from the water.
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[/size]Free floating ions allow us to do specific re orientation of these ions - we can create new molecular compositions and that is the important part here. There is no doubt that atomic energy release is of use and this part of Meyer's work is now understood. We can achieve atomic hydrogen in two manors - (1) one is created prior to the combustion phase and the (2) second is created prior to the engine but released in the thermal reaction during the combustion itself (one is older then the other). Both of these processes actually use the atomic energy release and got nothing to do with fusion or fission, it is simply a creation of atomic hydrogen and/or atomic hydrogen fuel.

[/size]There are a few things we must remember in all of this; 1: Hydrogen is always our fuel and if the hydrogen is produced with a surplus in energy, then and only then do it become an energy source - if it is produced with less energy released then it was required to produce it, what we have then is a fuel - so, depending on energy gain or loss - either an energy source or a fuel. 2: All Hydrocarbon fuels is undergoing a stage from a molecular state into atomic state, this is related to RE ORIENTATION of free floating atoms - the total weight of the collected specimen do not change - only the composition of the molecules indicating no nuclear decay . What we have is energy release. 3: Creation of atomic fuel / gases always require a pre determined energy amount and are in most cases the same amount you get back when it is released in the form of thermal expansion. The gain in the system must therefor be in the production. 4: The last part is the form the hydrogen is introduced into the combustion cylinder - one is in the form of gas and the other is in form of XXXXXX - what is this second form?

[/size]In regards to Tutanka and H2OPower, I was there all the time working with them in this. The information presented by Tutanka was first discovered by me under another alias and it was happening in the background. I worked with the Gas Processor on a daily bases for over a year to determine what Meyer was creating with in the context of known physics and it was also found. We now know that Meyer was using two well known and established processes in the gas reformation (transmutation is a word of meaning) and this is also connected to the two editions of the injectors he made - they are connected with the reformation of the gases in use.

[/size]All in all, what we end up with is a specific fuel blend. The reason I am not presenting it in its full form here is that I want you to find it and understand why it is created and why it is to our advantage to do the same as Meyer did. You can go on with your atomic decay, I will not stop you. But you are looking in the wrong direction and you are looking at it way to complicated, remember KISS and when you understand the process, then it is KISS.

[/size]I have furthered my research on this and mark my words - It has already been proven to work - not together in the form Meyer did, but interdependently its proven going back to the early 18'th century. So, in regards to this, I rest my case. I will on the other hand keep on reading what you wrote but will only reply if I find that what you are posting is correct terms and / or the correct explanation. When I have built the proper unit or system and gathered the data to prove this further, I'll let you know. Have a nice day.

Steve and Group.
    If you want to use industrial / 10% ammonia, please add 1200 mg. of Ibuprofen to the mix. Don't forget to mix it with some distilled water first and then filter it to get rid of some of the leftover buffer.   Could a chemistry inclined person in the group please explain the additions to the ammonia for me. It can be better said.   Thanks - Handy Dan

Well, I for one do not understand the chemistry you present, but most engines are ready for 100% ammonia - Some mix with a few percent gasoline to lubricate the valves and pistons, but that can be modified to ammonia. What one must consider is that ammonia as well as pure hydrogen is a dry fuel, so no lubrication there.

So guy's, why have this tread been so quiet??

@ Lektor


Well, you could read Meyers patents in regards to EGR and Gas Processor and then read the PDF I wrote located in Reply #35 - page 8, that should help you understand what it is.

unfortunately I have not, due to the lack of funding. There is however other experiments that prove the formation of ammonia in a similar environment that S.A.Meyer is using and talking about. I will however when time comes perform a crud setup in order to prove my own theory. I can not disclose any further information regarding this at the moment.
For the time being, even if I am convinced that ammonia and possibly nitrous oxide can be formed in the style and manor described will work, it is simply a matter of creating an environment that will promote the reaction, and that might in the end require a some changes to the method in use - this can be pressure and time such similar to the style Michael and Alessandro displayed. I do not have any plans on purchasing the plans Alessandro are offering, but if you are, let me know and maybe I can help you.

My conceptual design is not available in the public domain since this method (apparatus) might grant me a patent and is also more focused in terms of conversion efficiency and do in fact collect the knowledge a bit better.

@ Steve.


I advice you to read my described reaction again. Notice that there are no freed electrons. You are mixing my and Edwards concept. All I do is to create nascent or atomic nitrogen - note: I do not take away electrons, that would make the process of ammonia and nitrous oxide formation impossible. All I do is to create a situation where available space within the atomic nitrogen can be re established using available electrons in the hydrogen atom.


The reactor Alessandro is promoting was developed together with Michael Nunerlay and was a terminated collaboration in the same style that me and Alessandro had.

In regards to US Patent # 1,431,047, the 1922 patent of the guy who later started Duracell Corp.


@ Line 52; Nascent Hydrogen is the same as Atomic. It is probably not an ion since ion is either less or more electrons, so note - atomic equals same amount of electrons as in it's ground state or singular atom state.
@ line 61/62: He clearly speaks of an electrochemical event known as transmutation as described in my prior article concerning ammonia (NH3), ammonium hydroxide (NH4-OH+) and nitrous oxide (N2O), but here carbon monoxide (CO) is priming gas and upon contact will form Formaldehyde (CH2O) - in remark to this - if carbon monoxide or dioxide is present in the air gases, there is also a possibility that the style and construction of Meyers apparatus could produce this chemical.


But it is very clear that what Samuel Ruben is describing is an apparatus were hydrogen and oxygen gas is liberated through electrolysis and are also allowed to react with other incoming air gases in a manor which is known by ionization by electrical stimulation.
The reason why Formaldehyde might be formed is of the fact that Salt - probably normal table salt with the chemical formula NaCl (where C is Chloride) is used. NaCl is by many used as an electrolyte and whereby one of the byproducts is Chlorine gas (Cl) - chlorine gas is a reactive gas and very toxic - created in the process. Therefor it is always recommended to use Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) as the electrolyte (I use the opportunity to mention this if anyone is experimenting with electrolysis). Sodium Hydroxide do not react in the same manor as NaCl does and the added amount of NaOH will remain in the water bath meaning, there the amount of NaOH will remain constant and not consumed as it will re-new and balance the chemical reaction.
Looking at the Meyer style of hydrogen and oxygen production, there is no added chemical in relationship to standard Faraday electrolysis (basic electrolysis uses current to split water using electron collision - optimum electrolysis is 1.24-2V @ X amount of amp were voltage is only used as a current flow stimulation) and hence, no additional gases are evolved beside H2 and O2. For this reason together with the developed ionization method for said gases are used, the method is no longer ionization by electrolysis but rather more commonly known as Voltrolysis whereby voltage and harmonic oscillation is used in order to induce a covalent breakup between the oxygen and hydrogen constituting the water molecule. Depending on the water used in Voltrolysis, additional gases can be developed that is similar to standard Electrolysis since the presence of carbon in the water bath can induce a reaction with the liberated hydrogen and oxygen. But since no extra carbon chemical is added, the amount of possible hydrocarbon combinations is in the lower regions or highly limited.
 
As a side note, there is always the possibility that said chemicals can be evolved and found in a system where the prior art of gas development in line with these debates are possible and can therefor not be discarded all together. It is on the other hand more likely that the mentioned fuel and oxidizer is developed. It is therefor important to know that using a system where hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen is used as priming gases, we can conclude that carbon might be presented in the gases in a range of different chemicals. It is also normal to measure carbon in water at some percentage as long as we allow air gases to be exposed to and absorbed by the water, this also concludes that water used in a system installed in a car that are using non treated and incoming air (containing pollution - COx diluted air) will at some point in the system introduce this to the process. It is on the other hand quite hard to control the entire reaction of chemicals produced since the system is exposed to the outside environment. We also have the fact that different places on this planet contain a variety and amount of chemicals present in the air and when looking at this system in the manor I have presented here, we can fairly easy understand that we must leave some room for other chemicals developed.

"and power development was also in the lower region due to the fact that the flame front burned too fast - the same problem as many others have. Tests was done with compressed and pure H2 but the problem remained"

I can think of two other reasons for that.

-chamber walls are too hot and ignite the h2 uppon contact..... too early. Add some water vapour to the intake air to cool the engine down. Google that.
-ignition timing has to be changed because h2 combusts more rapidly than gas/patrol

read page 55-61

Yes, there might be multiple reasons why the problems were present, but I was working on a distance and could not be there, I had limit methods of solving the problem. But did so in a chemical way as you've read.

Hi Steve.

Interesting replication, my question is; Is Dan's replication based upon the Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency unit (alternator sett up)?

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Some more info not included in the manual.