Open letter to P. Lindemann
Started by unknown · · 59 posts · last reply 24 October 2011
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#26 · date not recorded
Dankie, you gotta get off the booze before it kills you!
See Qiman this is what this site has comed to , there is no leadership or no desire to do anything . There is just these hating old guys with a tubular cell that didnt work and dont understand nothing further than metal and electricity flowing with some pulsing that they dont understand either . Somekind of old depressed town with boozers and a closed factory with 200 habitants .
I must move to the city Qiman .
You cant even come around this site doing stufff cause these guys just hate , but they dont build anything themselves and want everything , se basicly nothing gets posted besides this anecdotal **** about Stan's coloring book . The guys that know a bit dont even bother to come around anymore that much . 90% of em are like ghosts , spooky sometimes .
Shhh ... I dont drink booze @ this hour , in fact I am making an cad design plan for school .
And you gotta get yourself some skills because your skills are monkey see monkey do .
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#27 · date not recorded
all bow down to the allmighty dankiefied oscillator that he has shown no results nor videos of that he has only gossiped about as if its the latest product on the market.. worship dankie with his monkey see monkey no do project achievments posted in picture form or video other then rambling and rambleing and rambling and rambllllllingggg on and on and on and on that his poopy dont stink and falls out as golden blobs that will ultimately lead to alls salvation praise all mighty dankie and the magnificant unseen but dakiefied descibed 200 to 500 dollar oscillator amen.!!! if you get your head out your butt u might get some 02 and start seeing the light? i can care less what you think of this site i like it nor do i care less if you go brown nose with the other site go thread to thread salesman! you got kick off energetic fourm in the past.. didnt you get kicked off this site before two and begged your way back on... you should be a bridge builder since you tend to burn bridges and have to rebuild them lol... come on danke show us somthin stop talking as if you bring so much... the only thing i have seen you bring is perspectives and wire, sorry to hear about your wire getting 5 finger discounted that sucks.. but stop whining and show somthing lol.. -
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Monkey see monkey do is a bad thing? I guess that's how I learn, is by doing. College wasn't enough for me anyway, They just teach good slave skills for the most part. Now that I think about it, I never found to much inspiration in my school days. Everyone was so close minded and creativity was almost nil. What inspires you Dankie? Did you just know all you know or did you copy something that has been understood for years already. To be creative, one must first learn all the different ways of creation before him. Monkey see, monkey do, monkey make better. Isn't that what you did with your oscillator thing with all the busted scope shots? -
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Anyone read the Quantum keys book from Lindemann and Aaron? I heard from a friend a terrible story: They urge you to hook up your mind to theirs every week so they can tap you off of your information in case you have some.....
Well, mind control is what they are after and their employer should be obvious to anyone in here...
Fact is they never presented anything functional in 30+ years, just wasting your time. Aaron once said he "saw" his first Gray engine in -94...... Where and how did that happen??....
Forget them and keep working open source, my advice.
Steve, have you considered for one minute that "no more questions" simply means he is too busy
with his own life and work to answer questions that he has answered over and over for years
online? Sometimes, the easiest and most common sense explanation for something like that is
the right one.
Feel free to boot me Steve for defending myself here if you want.
If this badmouthing of myself and my friends are what goes on here, I don't think I can benefit or
contribute from this forum.
Hi Aaron,
The answer is no. The answer Peter gave, came on to me like it came from a person who felt himself too big to give answers to the "simple" man.
It might be my intepretation of the english language, which is not my native language. I understand and respect your point of view and i have no intentions at all to boot you. You speak from the hart. I do too.
If i was in your shoes, i would do the same as you are doing.
No worry.
Again, my first writing on your forum was done from a dissapointment feeling.
Please tell Peter that i am sorry for not reading his words well. If i am wrong, then i am man enough to say that i was wrong.
Steve
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#30 · date not recorded
Dankie, you gotta get off the booze before it kills you!
See Qiman this is what this site has comed to , there is no leadership or no desire to do anything . There is just these hating old guys with a tubular cell that didnt work and dont understand nothing further than metal and electricity flowing with some pulsing that they dont understand either . Somekind of old depressed town with boozers and a closed factory with 200 habitants .
I must move to the city Qiman .
You cant even come around this site doing stufff cause these guys just hate , but they dont build anything themselves and want everything , se basicly nothing gets posted besides this anecdotal **** about Stan's coloring book . The guys that know a bit dont even bother to come around anymore that much . 90% of em are like ghosts , spooky sometimes .
Shhh ... I dont drink booze @ this hour , in fact I am making an cad design plan for school .
And you gotta get yourself some skills because your skills are monkey see monkey do .
Dankie,
This forum on which you have posted more then 1100 post is now a bad place?
You are really unbelievable.
Mr. Dankie, forum entertainer.....
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#31 ·
This forum has suffered battle wounds , most experimenters have been injured .
The only alive thing is Donald's build , 190 members are ghosts with nothing to say or share .
All posts since months ago are nothing but trivial . This site officially blows .
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#32 ·
dankie we are sorry it blows due to the fact we monkey see and monkey do as you so say...what you want us to do lol... arrrg "every one is monkey see monkey do" P.s will somebody please blow money on my magic oscillator and follow me!!! ?? even though i dankie say its wrong lol...
i kinda feel sorry for ya and your thought process.. i bet if you had 5 monkey sees and monkey dos's marching behind you with dankiefied oscillators and somewhere around 1000- 2500 in your back pocket you would be marching to a different tune... all i see now is a fool trying to down a fourm because you didnt get the toy you wanted while shopping with mommy at the grocery store. wahhh wahhh wahh but i want but i want wahh wahh wahh i hate you mommy wahh..
do you need a binky? need someone to wipe your nose? are you groggy from missing your afternoon nap time?
get over it and your self ego.. you think your are so advanced and think you have much knowledge to share rofl.. i can read dankie as can many others.. i do experiment as do many others.. answers are out there and whoever remains faithful and practice what they take in they will understand this stuff enough to make somthin of it in the near future.. we dont need your whining when things dont meet commy dictator dankies standards..
yes danke go ahead say im leaving and laugh it up fellas my magic oscillator and i will find other people to work with and buy my stuff.. we will show you ionization x guys that i dankie am right because i am allways right. rofl
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#33 ·
Hi dankie
I believe energetic forum is not as good as here, there are more posts but full of shit too. Here we at least have serious people really interested and doing some experiments and sharing ideas and findings. There you find only unilateral ways of thinking.
I hope you can keep doing your research and keep working on it, you are young and we will need young people in this world. Study a lot, read a lot, work a lot and try to put some money together. Don't let anyone make you fell down. Don't expect anything from the people, you will only fell bad (disappointed) when you see people can't help you or give you the attention you believe to deserve. Don't waste time fighting for points of view. Be very professional and nobody can say nothing about you. Be the best you can always. Every little thing is going to be alright.
I hope all the best for you and all the others and hope you can do a great job with your new oscillator. If it don't work big deal you just found a new very important information, another way that wont work. Don't let this make you feel down, Instead remember that doing anything you are aways learning and what you learned can be useful in the future to understand new things and to be able to do many other things.
All the best
sebos -
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Steve,
I appreciate the straight up response.
Energetic Forum is not as focused on the water fuel topic as this forum and we have a
handful of popular threads on the subject.
Dankie may have some issues with this forum, but you are at arms length from a lot of
people that seem to at least have a WFC in one configuration or another already built.
It wouldn't be that much work to add an air ionizer and also bubble part of the exhaust
back to the WFC or at least ambient air. Warmer the better. I posted quite a few references
in Meyer's own words and diagrams that shows definitively that Meyer was absolutely
recycling exhaust gases back to the front and that nitrogen (ambient air) was indeed what
was responsible for slowing the burn rate of the water fuel way down to actually get some
thermal explosive energy from it. He even said word for word that nitrogen slows down the
bonding of oxygen and hydrogen. Therefore, if oxygen and hydrogen are not able to easily
bond back together, you don't get a quick fast hho pop that just turns to water, you get
real thermal combustion from the hydrogen and water is not a byproduct. Therefore, the
engine won't get damaged. There is water produced, but about the same as what gasoline
will do anyway.
Meyer's spelled that part out in no unclear terms but many are still focused on trying to
produce as much hho as they can with minimum power but it was never really about that.
Just a small amount of hho and water mist and ionized air. And it is more simplified these
days with more advanced in plasma ignitions.
If we have slow thermal release from the water fuel, timing can stay the same as a gasoline
engine. Everyone is focused on delaying ignition until after TDC because nobody is doing what
they need to in order to slow down the burn. Therefore, working around the fast quick pop and
implosion issue by turning back into water so shrinking volume is not even a concern if the
nitrogen gets in the way of oxygen and hydrogen combining.
Anyway, I hope you or your members can benefit from this. Anyone can go back to Meyer's patents,
tech brief, etc... and see that the above is actually what he was saying. He just never spelled out
the creation of ammonia and never spelled out that yes the oxygen is getting electrons stripped
but so is the other majority of the gas - nitrogen. He referred to it as
ionized ambient air, which is true, but atomic nitrogen is needed for any of this to work.
I pointed out one reference in my forum to 1807 Davy found that nitrogen will bind to electrolytic
hydrogen in the presence of water when it won't bind to other hydrogen. All the answers are
available to everyone really - just takes time and effort to piece it together.
I'd recommend that anyone that is interested, see what Tutanka and Alex have said about their
nascent plug and explore EVERY reference or acknowledgment given about it.
Anyway, thanks again Steve.
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#35 · date not recorded
Hi Aaron,
I ran all my engine tests on pure HHO, always in combination with ambient air.
Ambient air does 2 major things.
1. it add volume to the process (engine = airpump)
2. it slows down the combustion rate
The fact of using ionized air helping the process is still under investigation.
But i will know it very soon.
I stopped testing ionized HHO for the moment and i will have an air ionizer soon ready for my engine test.
This test will be easy, because i have my 600cc 4 cylinder engine running on 100%HHO and ambient air.
I will use around 7kv at like 20khz DC/square. Or would AC be better in that case?
Ammonia is probably right. I have some notes here, from a year back.
I will make a separate topic on that, so we can let this topic rest in peace.
regards
Steve
Ps.
Is the Tutanka Alex the same as Alex Petty?
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#36 · date not recorded
I say good by to dankie,we don't need him.He's not productive to this group.What has he given us?All he seems like he wants to do is make money by selling his work.What happened to open source here?I haven't seen him post anything that shows he has a project,in the effort to figure this thing out.
I'm either researching everyday,or working on my project.I have been working very hard at this thing now straight for over a year.Nothing else.Just because I don't give every detail of what I'm doing on here daily,doesn't mean I'm not doing anything.I've done more and learned more than most all of this group put together.And I'm still going.It's just alot slower because I've been laid off for the last three months.No money to play with,had to work with what I have.Plus I'm working weekly with the owner,setting up meetings.So enough about that.
Now for qiman.I don't see anything new in what your saying.But there are some errors in it.First off the nitrogen from ambient air does nothing to the power output of the hydroxy gasses.Yes it allows the burn rate to be adjusted down to equal gasoline.Thats it.It doesn't stop the link up of hydrogen and oxygen,it just slows it down.They still link up.Also the exhaust gasses do the exact same thing,slows down the link up.No change on power output.The only thing Stan states is that the ionization of the ambient air is one way to improve the power output of the hydrogen.But it will take in the order of 20kv for that to happen.If we never find out how to restrict amps and allow voltage to rise,we will never get anything to work.Because it all relies on the one very important thing.
So yes we still do need alot of hydroxy to get an engine to run.Only then can we increase the power output of the gasses.First the gasses then the power increase through ionization.It can only happen that way,and it will only happen through high voltage across the water,in excess of 1kv.
Don -
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but many are still focused on trying to produce as much hho as they can with minimum power but it was never really about that.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/5gph.jpg)
There certainly is something about that. Haven't you read the patents and watched the videos?
I agree there certainly are more people fumbling about in their own theories than actually focusing on the documented systems and trying to build them. But for those that want a large amount of gas with a small amount of electrical input, that above patent, plus the information from Dynodon, couldn't lay it out any better. -
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Ps.
Is the Tutanka Alex the same as Alex Petty?
I'll look for the other thread. Can you post your timing and exhaust temp in there?
Different Alex.
Check Mike's post in response to Jetijs' thread he started on "My take on water fuel"
or something like that. Also see Tutanka's post on the Joe Cell in the Ionization thread.
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Now for qiman.I don't see anything new in what your saying.But there are some errors in it.First off the nitrogen from ambient air does nothing to the power output of the hydroxy gasses.Yes it allows the burn rate to be adjusted down to equal gasoline.Thats it.It doesn't stop the link up of hydrogen and oxygen,it just slows it down.They still link up.Also the exhaust gasses do the exact same thing,slows down the link up.No change on power output.The only thing Stan states is that the ionization of the ambient air is one way to improve the power output of the hydrogen.But it will take in the order of 20kv for that to happen.If we never find out how to restrict amps and allow voltage to rise,we will never get anything to work.Because it all relies on the one very important thing.
So yes we still do need alot of hydroxy to get an engine to run.Only then can we increase the power output of the gasses.First the gasses then the power increase through ionization.It can only happen that way,and it will only happen through high voltage across the water,in excess of 1kv.
Don
I agree the nitrogen slows the combination of o and h. But seeing that exhaust has only about the
same amount of water as gasoline combustion, for practical purposes, it prevents it. Atomic nitrogen
acts as EEC but you have to see that when atomic nitrogen is created by ionization, when it
recombines in combustion chamber, it releases a lot of heat and light (active nitrogen afterglow).
That emission contributes to the reaction.
I've been able to get several hundred volts sitting on my cell - in the beginning, 2v was max. I
know someone that has a cell sitting at almost 1500volts. So I don't think restricting current is the
issue, but is also isn't necessary with the right chemistry.
On my tay hee han cell, I could get some gas production with zero current and nothing but
high frequency high voltage... about 50kv impulses going to 2 opposing plates with a 0.5mm gap.
I coated both plates with super corona dope, the xylene HV dielectric...restricts 4000v per mil and
I had 1mm on each plate for a total of 80kv dielectric. Distilled water split, small amounts but it
happened and not small current, I mean zero amperage flowing. The only modification I had to
the cell compared to the simple setup tay hee han had was that I also had a HV capacitor in
parallel with the plates. Anyway, zero current "leakage".
Anyway, atomic nitrogen will bind to hydrogen to create nh3 or ammonia and ammonia is the
densest source of hydrogen - more dense than pure liquid hydrogen. So seeing that nitrogen makes
it possible, I would say that the nitrogen definitely indirectly contributes to power. nh3 with some
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But for those that want a large amount of gas with a small amount of electrical input, that above patent, plus the information from Dynodon, couldn't lay it out any better.
5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute
HHO is only a catalyst - the real fuel is nh3. Anyone should study Davy, Storch & Olson, etc...
from a hundred years ago and it is all spelled out. There is no getting around the fact that
"nitrogen will bind to electrolytic hydrogen in the presence of water" when it won't bind to
other hydrogen normally. Davy 1807. There is so much spelled out on all of this in the 1900's
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But for those that want a large amount of gas with a small amount of electrical input, that above patent, plus the information from Dynodon, couldn't lay it out any better.
5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute
HHO is only a catalyst - the real fuel is nh3. Anyone should study Davy, Storch & Olson, etc...
from a hundred years ago and it is all spelled out. There is no getting around the fact that
"nitrogen will bind to electrolytic hydrogen in the presence of water" when it won't bind to
other hydrogen normally. Davy 1807. There is so much spelled out on all of this in the 1900's
too especially in the 1920's & 1930's.
That would be 0.3 liters of liquid water converting to gas a minute.
I forget the exact number but isn't liquid to gas conversion in the neighborhood of X1800.
Mike -
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yes, Volume of HHO-Gas Converted ~ 1800 * Volume of Water -
#43 · date not recorded
5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute
As said above... just to express the magnitude of this performance in clearer detail...
that is 2.5 gallons of gas per second at 0 psi
that is 150 gallons of gas per minute at 0 psi
that is 568 liters per minute at 0 psi, with a system running on, less than a few hundred watts.
I don't know what your experiments are about, what results you have, or anything about you, I don't know your education or professional background, but if you want to talk about the water fuel cell technology, lets talk about the water fuel cell technology.
You think the gas production was a cover up for the real secret that was ammonia, well ok.
You are trying to say Stan really used ammonia, so here are the flaws in that
Hydrogen and Oxygen leaving a cell will either be H2 and O2, or monatomic H and O, positive ions, missing electrons, whereby they repel all other positive and neutral atoms and molecules and will not bond to anything.
The monatomic H and O positive ions only occur when you use an Electron Extraction Circuit, and remove the covalent electrons, forcing them to be positive ions and maintain their unstable state.
The only time Stan is using the Electron Extraction Circuit is to set up the Hydrogen Fracturing Process
So before you get into that, we know that H2 and O2 are coming out of the cell, and they are stable, no possible way they can bond with N2.
Nitrogen exists in the atmosphere as N2 and it is extremely stable and non-reactive. H2 and O2 are stable and non-reactive. You will not form ammonia, that's just wishful thinking. Nitrogen has 5 electrons in it's outer shel with room for 3, it forms a triple bond with another N making it one of the strongest diatomic bonds.
We know that the introduction of non-combustible gasses, exhaust gasses, including nitrogen, slow down and modulate the burn rate. You can do this to any burn rate and temperature you want "all the way down to leaves and paper" he says.
Guess what. Ammonia would have it's own burn rate, the same as gasoline has a burn rate, and diesel has a burn rate, and propane has a burn rate.
How would burning ammonia (which wont form anyway) give you a modulated burn rate?
Ok so that's busted.
Now, the Hydrogen Fracturing Process, is performed in two ways, to accomplish the same task. This is the only time Stan ionizes anything involving Nitrogen.
First you can ionize the H and O, and keep them unstable monatomic positive ions, that repel everything. Burning this, Stan gets temperatures over 20,000 degrees. Does he mix the ionized H and O with nitrogen in this process? No...
When he takes it to the car, he does not Ionize the H and O. Ever. Doesn't do it.
He ionizes the Air, which is 21% Oxygen and 78% Nitrogen. This O and N is in the form of O2 and N2 in stable state. To bring that to an ionized state, you will either have O2 missing a few electrons, or monatomic O, positive ions, likewise with N2 missing electrons, or monatomic N, positive ions.
But guess what? N2 is largely transparent to IR and visible light, which is what Stan is using in both of the gas processors, Red LEDs. Is there any indication at all that the Ionization of Nitrogen is a focus in these systems? How on earth are we going to get ammonia? Read the tech brief, he shows a diagram of Oxygen being ionized. Not Nitrogen.
Nothing is stopping you from developing the next fabulous ammonia powered car from ionized Nitrogen and Hydrogen from water and air. But you are out on a limb to try and tell people it has anything to do with the WFC technology.
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#44 · date not recorded
Aaron,
If you actually read the original source regarding Rayleigh's nacient nitrogen you would discover that the effects he described occurred at near vacuum and disappeared with more pressure in vacuum tubes. So in my mind it's more an effect found with Correas' work than what will happen in an ICE.
The production of NOx is an endothermic reaction. It's a byproduct of combustion at high temperatures. Cold water fog would alleviate that effect with flash steam and the high heat capacity of water. The water vapor in the exhaust that Stan recycles he also tries to cool with a heat exchanger or cooling fins.
Over a year ago Patrick Kelly categorized Nitrogen Hydroxide in the "dubious devices" list. You also proclaimed that the Bedini SSG circuit was the answer to the secret of the WFC Aaron. I am not joining that bandwagon. But if someone else sees merit it's their choice.
Regards,
Andy
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#45 · date not recorded
The truth is that everybody here is right.
Don, you have read the same papers as i have.
The output of Stans wfc is indead HHO and thats proven by the test.
You also know that Stan ionized the ambient air by usage of the airgasprocessor.
The proces of making Ammonia is happening after the wfc.
You need in that proces:
1. hydrogen made by electrolysis
2. ionized ambient air
3. pressure
4. electrical discharge
The purpose of the ionizing systems (making ammonia) is for one reason only and that is to slow down the burnrate rate of hydrogen.
Why needed? A quick combustion cannot push a piston down.
You need a certain slow burning fuel, like petrol.
When you are able to slow the burnrate of hydrogen your will get much more efficiency out of it when you use it in an internal combustion engine.
Long story short: you need less HHO.
Stan was a smart man. He tried to help the USA in time of no petrol.
Laws of economics.....Water = free, ambient air = free
By using ambient as a hugh part of the needed fuel, he gained free fuel.
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#46 · date not recorded
Now for qiman.I don't see anything new in what your saying.But there are some errors in it.First off the nitrogen from ambient air does nothing to the power output of the hydroxy gasses.Yes it allows the burn rate to be adjusted down to equal gasoline.Thats it.It doesn't stop the link up of hydrogen and oxygen,it just slows it down.They still link up.Also the exhaust gasses do the exact same thing,slows down the link up.No change on power output.The only thing Stan states is that the ionization of the ambient air is one way to improve the power output of the hydrogen.But it will take in the order of 20kv for that to happen.If we never find out how to restrict amps and allow voltage to rise,we will never get anything to work.Because it all relies on the one very important thing.
So yes we still do need alot of hydroxy to get an engine to run.Only then can we increase the power output of the gasses.First the gasses then the power increase through ionization.It can only happen that way,and it will only happen through high voltage across the water,in excess of 1kv.
Don
I agree the nitrogen slows the combination of o and h. But seeing that exhaust has only about the
same amount of water as gasoline combustion, for practical purposes, it prevents it. Atomic nitrogen
acts as EEC but you have to see that when atomic nitrogen is created by ionization, when it
recombines in combustion chamber, it releases a lot of heat and light (active nitrogen afterglow).
That emission contributes to the reaction.
I've been able to get several hundred volts sitting on my cell - in the beginning, 2v was max. I
know someone that has a cell sitting at almost 1500volts. So I don't think restricting current is the
issue, but is also isn't necessary with the right chemistry.
On my tay hee han cell, I could get some gas production with zero current and nothing but
high frequency high voltage... about 50kv impulses going to 2 opposing plates with a 0.5mm gap.
I coated both plates with super corona dope, the xylene HV dielectric...restricts 4000v per mil and
I had 1mm on each plate for a total of 80kv dielectric. Distilled water split, small amounts but it
happened and not small current, I mean zero amperage flowing. The only modification I had to
the cell compared to the simple setup tay hee han had was that I also had a HV capacitor in
parallel with the plates. Anyway, zero current "leakage".
Anyway, atomic nitrogen will bind to hydrogen to create nh3 or ammonia and ammonia is the
densest source of hydrogen - more dense than pure liquid hydrogen. So seeing that nitrogen makes
it possible, I would say that the nitrogen definitely indirectly contributes to power. nh3 with some
atomic hydrogen is extremely combustive.
Im pretty sure that your cell isn't Tay Hee Han cell. Similarry to Patrick Flanagan you need large capacitors not just an metal electrode coated.. the water split for ionization collision , the dielectrics emits electrons!!! I have just modify Patrick Flanagan electron generator into Tay Hee Han Cell.. As you can see you obtain same result. You can use different cell design but in all cases you need use ONLY dielectric for split water with low amount of power. You need high dielectric constant more than water creating an high capacitance necessary for created into water high voltage field >15Kv/mm. That system use only AC high voltage/high frequencyattachment_9895 nuova-cella-all-dielectric.png
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#47 · date not recorded
5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute
As said above... just to express the magnitude of this performance in clearer detail...
that is 2.5 gallons of gas per second at 0 psi
that is 150 gallons of gas per minute at 0 psi
that is 568 liters per minute at 0 psi, with a system running on, less than a few hundred watts.
I don't know what your experiments are about, what results you have, or anything about you, I don't know your education or professional background, but if you want to talk about the water fuel cell technology, lets talk about the water fuel cell technology.
You think the gas production was a cover up for the real secret that was ammonia, well ok.
You are trying to say Stan really used ammonia, so here are the flaws in that
Hydrogen and Oxygen leaving a cell will either be H2 and O2, or monatomic H and O, positive ions, missing electrons, whereby they repel all other positive and neutral atoms and molecules and will not bond to anything.
The monatomic H and O positive ions only occur when you use an Electron Extraction Circuit, and remove the covalent electrons, forcing them to be positive ions and maintain their unstable state.
The only time Stan is using the Electron Extraction Circuit is to set up the Hydrogen Fracturing Process
So before you get into that, we know that H2 and O2 are coming out of the cell, and they are stable, no possible way they can bond with N2.
Nitrogen exists in the atmosphere as N2 and it is extremely stable and non-reactive. H2 and O2 are stable and non-reactive. You will not form ammonia, that's just wishful thinking. Nitrogen has 5 electrons in it's outer shel with room for 3, it forms a triple bond with another N making it one of the strongest diatomic bonds.
We know that the introduction of non-combustible gasses, exhaust gasses, including nitrogen, slow down and modulate the burn rate. You can do this to any burn rate and temperature you want "all the way down to leaves and paper" he says.
Guess what. Ammonia would have it's own burn rate, the same as gasoline has a burn rate, and diesel has a burn rate, and propane has a burn rate.
How would burning ammonia (which wont form anyway) give you a modulated burn rate?
Ok so that's busted.
Now, the Hydrogen Fracturing Process, is performed in two ways, to accomplish the same task. This is the only time Stan ionizes anything involving Nitrogen.
First you can ionize the H and O, and keep them unstable monatomic positive ions, that repel everything. Burning this, Stan gets temperatures over 20,000 degrees. Does he mix the ionized H and O with nitrogen in this process? No...
When he takes it to the car, he does not Ionize the H and O. Ever. Doesn't do it.
He ionizes the Air, which is 21% Oxygen and 78% Nitrogen. This O and N is in the form of O2 and N2 in stable state. To bring that to an ionized state, you will either have O2 missing a few electrons, or monatomic O, positive ions, likewise with N2 missing electrons, or monatomic N, positive ions.
But guess what? N2 is largely transparent to IR and visible light, which is what Stan is using in both of the gas processors, Red LEDs. Is there any indication at all that the Ionization of Nitrogen is a focus in these systems? How on earth are we going to get ammonia? Read the tech brief, he shows a diagram of Oxygen being ionized. Not Nitrogen.
Nothing is stopping you from developing the next fabulous ammonia powered car from ionized Nitrogen and Hydrogen from water and air. But you are out on a limb to try and tell people it has anything to do with the WFC technology.
In part your explaination is correct but you need to consider that.. Brown gas is very reactive gas, is water at gas state .. all peoples burn that but brown gas or just HHO is only an "transition" molecule not an fuel, for create an really fuel you need to convert that (using what meyer have indicated in some paper) using UV irradiation. Water (gas) mixed with normal nitrogen molecule and irradiated with UV field react in strange mode ionizing the same mixture; that mixture passed inside other UV field dissociate water gas creating ammonia and nitrous oxide. You don't need any catalyst as emitter of electrons because the extra electrons are released from the same water gas. Also .. in your explaination you have forget nitrous oxide, N2O is the very important component key for reach THERMAL EXPLOSIVE REACTION as Meyer explain. Think that... Ammonia and air burns with 8J of energy but ammonia (gas) and nitrous oxide with only 0,07mJ.. spark plug is good enough. -
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Everything I said was correct. You have some more learning to do. -
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Stan did not use UV light. The reason why he did not use UV light is because it would exceed the work function of the SS and create a photoelectric current inside the Hydrogen Gas Gun. UV light would pluck electrons off of the plates and send them into the gas cavity, which is exactly counter to amp restriction process that is required to ionize the combustible gas atoms. -
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Nitrous Oxide is discussed in the Exhaust Reclaimer Technology in the Tech Breif, it can be broken down and completely eliminated. It is not desired, and yet even without eliminating it, it is minimal as a byproduct anyway. Listen to him talk about it in his various lectures.