itzon

Well done is better than well said.   --Benjamin Franklin

Amen to that!!!

I'm about to explode again.

Itzon

As you can see the Primary current is equal to the LC current (Prim.=Sec.), this is resonance. I didn't figure in the resistance of the capacitor because it is so low that it's negligible.

-Tony Woodside-

I'm guessing you meant XL current.

You certainly can't calculate LC resonance without C and therefore it is not a resonance calculation at all. 

Pulsing frequency and the gating of it are major factors of the system resonance in my opinion.

Mike

Really,  you are talking about 100Kwatts being recirculated? 

Are you high?

I will admit that I have not shown anything that amounts to a hill of beans,  but this is wacked out B.S.   You have not proved anything either except that you like to post a lot and  ask for money to support your whacked out theories.  I have an open mind not constrained to conventional theories and teachings, but...


I've been working silently and spending A lot of money SUPPLEMENTING MY OWN IDEAS AND NOT ASKING FOR DONATIONS TO SUPPORT ME, MY FAMILY, AND RESEARCH TO DO GOOD FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL MANKIND!!!

To everyone reading this, I'm sorry for adding more clutter to this thread, but I'm sick of reading SO MUCH B.S. that is either from idiots or deliberate distractors. And I'm not just talking about this website.

One more thing.  Sebosfao, are you  Dankie's long lost brother? 
Again, sorry everyone, I'm not exactly sure what lit my fuse(probably Tequila hehehe), but I am tired of trying to read about progress and broaden my thinking, only to waste my time on stupid ideas.

There is no wiper on the coil!!!

His drawings are only representations, not real schematics!!! 

AND.... the wiper only represents that the circuit is tunable.

How many tunable inductors have you seen that can handle 100Kilowatts?  I mean really W.T.F.

The real tuning is through the pulse width,frequency and gate time(number of pulses) of the primary of the transformer vs the value of the bifilar charging chokes.

Uhh, sorry, but I feel better now.

Mike
Edit:  I man'd up, I'm not sorry for posting this!!!

~hELLO
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I GUESS I DISCOVERED THE FUNCTION OF THE MOVABLE WIPER COIL
 
IT IS THERE TO ACT AS A PATH FOR THE IONS TO DISCHARGE THEIR ENERGY BY INDUCING FURTHER VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE. hOWVER ITS IMPEDANCE SHOULD BE MAYBE MORE THAN 10 TIMES SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE WATER OTHER WISE CURRENT WILL LIKE TO DISCHARGE INSIDE THE WATER.. .
 
pICTURE THIS
 
yOU HAVE 1000 VOLTS THRU WATER
 
yOU DISCHARGE THIS THRU A COIL WITH 10 OHMS IMPEDANCE, YOU WILL GET 100 AMPS;
 
THIS 100 AMPS BY TRANSFORMER ACTION INDUCE A VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER COIL DURING PULiF SING OPERATION WITCH IS 10 TIMES BIGGER YOU WILL HAVE 10000 VOLTS BEING INDUCED AT 10 AMPS  AND SO ON
 
sO IF THE CONTAMINANTS CHANGE THE FREQUENCY WILL ALSO CHANGE BECAUSE WILL CHANGE THE SPEED AND THE AMOUNT OF IONS THAT WILL BE DISCHARGED IN RELATION TO THE CHARGE WITCH IS GETING IN THE CAPACITOR FOR EACH CYCLE.
 
baSICALY YOU NEED TO HAVE TWO COILS WITH RIGHT PROPORTION AND COUPLING TO REACH THE WATER IONIC RESONACE..
 
i GUESS THE FREQUENCY WILL BE DICTATED BY THE MUTUAL INDUCTANCE. . ALLONG WITH THE DIELECTRIC OF WATER AND ITS CONTAMINANTS;;;

Its been a while since I've seen his video about Stan Meyer, but if I remember
correctly, his explanation basically boiled down to a capacitor discharging across
the tubes. 

That is nothing but standard electrolysis.

He doesn't know jack sh!t.

If he knew as much as he thinks he does about overunity, he would be selling real products or plans to build overunity devices, not some crappy book about how to conserve energy around your house.

He's a smug a-hole IMO.

Mikemongo

hydrogen is non toxic to humans

Nontoxic,  but highly addictive!!!

Doesn't  follow KISS principles!

This is a distraction, we are close!

now stans uses a fuel source that gives its own oxy on a even ratio per hydrogens capable of catalizing to neutral after ignition..so no matter what you know you are supplying enough oxygen to complete the burn.. now heres somthing that popped in my head yeasterday.. no one really has spoken about the butterfly gate stan uses on the intake... this butterfly gate i would say is restricting airflow of the ambient air.. createing a more present vacuum in the intake.. since i dont think mass airflow is required like gasolines non oxygen supplying capabilities

Dynodon I hope your reading this  as you have seen this firsthand.

I was thinking of the air processor and started looking at the photo of Stan's latest stuff (injectors, solenoids, laser distributor, butterfly air gate, etc.

Is the air(gas) processor under vacuum...where is the butterfly air gate located?

I know at least one of the photos makes it look like the air(gas) processor is sucking air directly in, but I know that's not right without an air filter. 

This is on my mind right now and I'm posting this before I go looking through the photos again, but it's stuck in my mind and I think it's important to know where that butterfly air gate is located because there's no reason not to just use the carb butterfly gate if the air processor isn't under vacuum.

Mikemongo

Thanks for adding the flv format to the attachments Stevie.  It's only about 1.5Mb

He didn't give much info in the comments other than it was powered by a neon transformer.  He said this was some work from a couple years ago .

Here's the video.

This thread needed bumped back to the top.

Since there is no tubes or plates, what shape are the wires formed?

I've spent most of the day today wondering and searching the net for what would be better than concentric tubes to shape the electric field.

I downloaded the video off youtube of ddanvos(? spelling) before it was removed and have watched it a lot.  That setup was producing massive amounts of bubbles and the interesting thing was what looked like the bubbles weren't just rising to the top, some were circulating. 

I think he was using the spark gap for creating high voltage pulses instead of just a straight HV potential.

It also looks like the bubbles come from something surrounding the 2 electrode wires.  My belief is this is shaping the high voltage field.  The emanating voltage field is somewhat similar in theory to a magnetic field, so I believe it can be shaped.

I don't know how or if I can post the video, it is a flash video and the .flv extension isn't included in the allowed file types for attachments.  I will try and see if it works when I post this.  It didn't work.

Mikemongo

Quote from: Dynodon on February 15, 2010, 16:27:02 pm

But for those that want a large amount of gas with a small amount of electrical input, that above patent, plus the information from Dynodon, couldn't lay it out any better.

5 gallons per hour - so that is 19 liters per hour. 19/60 minutes = 0.3 liters per minute

HHO is only a catalyst - the real fuel is nh3. Anyone should study Davy, Storch & Olson, etc...
from a hundred years ago and it is all spelled out. There is no getting around the fact that
"nitrogen will bind to electrolytic hydrogen in the presence of water" when it won't bind to
other hydrogen normally. Davy 1807. There is so much spelled out on all of this in the 1900's
too especially in the 1920's & 1930's.

That would be 0.3 liters of liquid water converting to gas a minute.

I forget the exact number but isn't liquid to gas conversion in the neighborhood of X1800. 

Mike

I have been meaning to put this down,but keep forgetting with everything else going on.
Warp pointed this out a while back and I felt the same way and suggested a simple test.
Stan states that he was producing 7 psi a minute.And that for every one psi he gets one litre of gas in a one litre cavity space.
Wrong!!!
My friend and I did a test.We pressurized a one litre cavity to 15 psi,knowing that atmoshere pressure is 14.7.Then the pressurized one litre cavity was released into an inverted bottle water test.
It only filled the bottle once exactly.
So to make one litre a minute with a cavity of one litre volume,you will need to pressurize it to 14.5 psi.
So what does this mean?
Stan's demo cell was only producing @ 500 cc per minute!!!

This changes alot! But it still works out better than faraday,but not by much.We calculated 104% efficientcy.

Don

I don't recall where Stan said this(I'm not saying he didn't, I just don't remember where I heard or seen it).  Was it on one of the videos or tech brief or ...

Was it clearly stated that the cell was completely sealed while producing that amount of gas, or was that while supplying gas?

This statement always bothered me too.

It has always been my position that there was never a light bulb or resistive element, but this
was used to power the LED's.

Mike

Tad,  I've read your post from overunity.com over and over and over.....

Is your setup a parallel LC circuit? 

The reason I ask, is because you emphasize inductive and capacitive reactance must match. 

In my experience when they match in a series circuit you get maximum power transferal at the resonate frequency.
Whereas in a parallel circuit it acts like a bandstop filter which should allow maximum voltage across the water capacitor.

I've wanted to ask this question, along with some of the others listed for a long time, but I don't like to pester people.

Stevie and or Hydrocar, are you ever going to give the details on your HV experiment?  Been waiting patiently.

Mikemongo

The Ddanvos68 System appears to be a simple variation of the Aqua Fuel Generator Plans as posted on the JNaudin Web Site.
 

Earlier I typed up a post refuting this, but I decided to watch the video several more times, and now I'm confused again.

It could be an altered version of the bingofuel.  The sparks in the video are so erratic, it's hard to tell.  The bingofuel video looks like much more UV light coming out.  The resolution of this video sucks, especially on my computer at work.  It looks like instead of the electrodes being fully immersed in all the water, like the bingofuel videos,  maybe there's only a small amount of water exposed to the HV sparking.  Look closely , the bubbles are coming out of one area.  I don't know if this video can be upped in resolution, but it might help.

It's kinda hard to describe unless you watch the video a bunch of times.  There's a lot to see if you watch it multiple times and do some deep thinking.

Mikemongo

mikemongo,

Thanks for sharing with me.   Do you remember the name of the guy who posted the video?  It looks like he's got two separate alternating plazma arcs taking place in the water.  I'd sure like to figure out how he's doing this.  It's a great little cell with a lot of possibilities.

Now I remember, it's ddanvos68. 

Mikemongo,

I love the device in the video.  Where can we get more information about it so we can build it.  It looks like it has great promise.

Fiditti, this is the only info I've seen on this setup.

I downloaded it from youtube before it was removed by its creator.  I think he removed it because people were hounding him for info.

In the comments he said it was some older work and wouldn't reveal any details other than it was a neon transformer. 

I don't remember for sure if it was this video or one of his other videos, he said something about not revealing details due to a nondisclosure agreement and hoping to make enough money to put his kids through college.

Have ten or more tubes and you'd be able to run a tank.  Thanks.

This is why I'm so interested in HV dissociation, there is no current flow through the water and with proper design more "cells" or areas of dissociation can be added with no additional current draw from the power supply.  The only drawback is HV is a PIA to work with and this kind of voltage potential really doesn't like to be contained.

I think the HV power supply from a powder coat machine is an ideal source if it can be pulsed.  Depending on the brand, they make up to 100KV open circuit voltage, which is the same type of scenario we're looking at.  Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a source or datasheet on these supplies yet.

If anyone knows of a datasheet or source for these power supplies, please let me know.

I don't know if this type of setup is ideally suited for an automotive application,  but it for sure has potential for home heating, running a generator, bbq grill... our imagination is the limit.  Winter is just around the corner and our utility bills are going to be ugly.

Mikemongo

That's great Stevie! 

This is the path I have been trying to go down also, it's the only form of making gas that I've ever been interested in.

It's nice to see some results even if their not mine, it does give me some much needed inspiration.

I'm looking forward to some details about your setup.  Maybe once we know some details we can help expand this to some massive production (if you haven't already).

Mikemongo

Hi,

Well, there is always a first for everything.
And here are the first bubles of a working HV water fracturing setup.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmm2n2OWoHY&feature=user

Br
Steve

ps
sorry for the noice....

So in theory, you could could hook up multiple cells and not draw more current off the primary of the step up transformer?

Mikemongo

There wasn't anything in the page about Meyer related to phase conjugate.

2 easy ways to find that are;

1 Use the cached version of the web page, your search terms are highlighted.  The cached link is under the web page description of the google search.

2 When you are at a web page that you want to find something without reading the whole page, use "ctrl f" on your keyboard.  This opens a search box so you can type in whatever you want and it will search that web page for you.  If your using Firefox browser, the dialog box is at the bottom of your screen.

Using either method can save lots of time and eye strain.

Great find this wire manufacturer
I looked it up, meyers wire had a specific resistance of .0048 ohm-foot , so  42 is huge compared to this.

Yeah, maybe too much resistance, I don't know.

I was thinking that the wire was supposed to be 40 some ohms/foot.

What I meant by if the chokes would survive the emf is, the wire of both chokes in the last turn towards the wfc, have a potential difference of 40KV:

Quote

all dielectric coatings having an effective 3KV per mil dielectric value

see what I mean?
Or I just don't understand

I think if the electrons are held mostly stationary by the magnetic field, then there is no amperage available to arc.

Mike