Figuring out the Steam Resonator
Started by unknown · · 128 posts · last reply 3 March 2012
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Donaldwfc, I think your right. In one of Meyer's news releases he states that the steam resonator is a spinoff of the VIC technology. -
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Nothing Stan invented will work without the basics of amp restriction to allow voltage to take over.I've said it before also,you can't get anything else to work without first making gas with voltage only.Everything else is a waste of time.It can't be done if you don't have the basics of Stan method working first.I don't know why people think that they can make any of his later systems work without the basics.
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" Nothing Stan invented will work without the basics of amp restriction to allow voltage to take over.I've said it before also,you can't get anything else to work without first making gas with voltage only.Everything else is a waste of time.It can't be done if you don't have the basics of Stan method working first.I don't know why people think that they can make any of his later systems work without the basics."
that would be for 100% water as fuel system.
On " booster" cell / gasoline hybrid installations, as I have seen by using low voltage / low current electrolyte based electrolysis (no heat in cell and greater reduction/elimination of gunk buldup in cell) can help reduce fuel consumption, but must protect engine first with boundary lubrication!
What is not yet clear is....when the meyer setup is accomplished what are the effects of that alternative fuel system on engine components....?
anyway my question is - What is the biggest barrier to solving the meyer cell - is it entirely in the VIC coil and its construction.? -
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Exactly Don,
C'mon everyone, back to the 8XA and RVIC! -
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So, anyone know what those high watt resistor values are, the 4 from the pic I posted earlier
That had the coil, a bridge rectifier, and 4 transistors. -
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I've already gotten the 8XA setup to work. I just haven't gotten the VIC circuit to react the same way yet. Back in early January 2011, I got the cell to charge to over 800 volts with 12 volts input @ less than 20mA. It looks like what has to take place is the voltage to the transformer has to be slowly increased from low voltage to its max voltage. This allows a depletion layer to form on the plates, much like a diode/transistor. If you through 12v straight to the transformer it wont allow a depletion layer to form and it will cause a dead short condition. When this depletion layer forms, it blocks current and allows the voltage to build. -
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I've been thinking along the same lines, wondering if the variable voltage circuit is needed for that purpose.
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#33 · date not recorded
Yea you should be able to make a simple variable voltage control by using a couple of resistors, a Pot, and a transistor and put it in series with the primary coil. -
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thanks Tony, that sounds like a good idea -
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you can build a voltage control similar to this one.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/simple_voltage_control.png) -
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I've already gotten the 8XA setup to work. I just haven't gotten the VIC circuit to react the same way yet. Back in early January 2011, I got the cell to charge to over 800 volts with 12 volts input @ less than 20mA. It looks like what has to take place is the voltage to the transformer has to be slowly increased from low voltage to its max voltage. This allows a depletion layer to form on the plates, much like a diode/transistor. If you through 12v straight to the transformer it wont allow a depletion layer to form and it will cause a dead short condition. When this depletion layer forms, it blocks current and allows the voltage to build.
Hi,
With the depletion layer and the musings that a cell can be like a transistor, is it possible that the type/grade of S/S used makes a substantial effect on the sought depletion layer.? -
#37 ·
Hi,
With the depletion layer and the musings that a cell can be like a transistor, is it possible that the type/grade of S/S used makes a substantial effect on the sought depletion layer.?
Yea thats what its looking like! This might be the key to the operation of this system
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#38 ·
wfchobby, I also posted on this a while back.
The transistor model is deifinately the most likely model of the WFC. It was first introduced by Stephen Meyer on a radio interview.
Please read: http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2291.msg21951.html#msg21951
(BTW, thanks TonyW for posting the radio interviews on your site) -
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no problem HMS-776
Yea when I saw your post the other day it made me think back to what Stephen Meyer said in the interview. I remember back last year after listening to all the interviews, I mentioned this to my friends Patrik & Spencer. I think I might have mentioned it on here also, can't really remember, but this fits in the Meyer system pretty good! -
#40 ·
Agreed,
A few years back I spent some time on energeticforum.
At the time I thought it was as Stan had explained (physical forces pulling the molecule apart).
I continued to have a rather lengthy argument with a more knowledgeable person who kept on insiting that there has to be a charge exchange medium of some sort. Now I understand what she meant, although neither of us knew about the transistor model at the time.
We know scientifically that high voltage increases the auto-ionization (amount of ions) of the water!
One thing I still wonder is if the explanation Stan gave was possible....If the molecule could be pulled apart without producing ions???
Perhaps both situations are occuring in the cell, but it seems more likely that all the HV is doing in increasing the autoionization. -
#41 ·
Yea see I've had this happen in my 8XA setup. The only difference between my setup and Stan's setup is he had the variable gap with low inductance coils and mine has a fixed gap with high induction coils so to balance the difference. Now my biggest feat is to get the same reaction to take place with the VIC circuit & 5-VIC transformer! -
#42 ·
That is awesome,
One thing I have wanted to mention for a while:
In the WFC ions are created. The ions which are created collect near the oppositely charged plates, producing a voltage within the cell which will rise to a higher voltage than the circuit can produce. Under the right conditions this voltage will go into a runaway effect, rising to infinity (The ions will increase the voltage which will in turn produce more ions). This is one of the reasons for gating the circuit, to limit the max voltage inside the cell.
Ref: Delearship sales manual pF7
This further explains the transistor theory. The HV is creating ions. I know Tony you mentioned before that you were getting much higher voltages near your cell than throughout the rest of the 8XA circuit, this is why.
In order for the ions to become stable atoms they must recieve or give an electron. The Cell forms an NPN transistor with the SS being the N type material. If you look at the atoms which are mixed with the iron to make SS you can see those atoms give the ss material it's symmetry with N type semiconductor material.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/dope.html
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#43 ·
If you look at the cell as a NP device, such as a diode in reverse bias, the following will take place.
When contact is made, electrons can lower their energy by flowing from the semiconductor conduction band into the metal. The resulting build-up of charge on the metal-semiconductor interface causes a deformation of the band structure. This continues until the chemical potential in the semiconductor reaches equilibrium with the Fermi energy of the metal. The deformed band structure forms a potential barrier which electrons must overcome in order to flow from the semiconductor into the metal. In the reverse bias situation, the potential barrier is much greater and the depletion region larger. As a result, very little current flows and voltage will build up until dielectric breakdown occurs!
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#44 ·
That's a great explanation,
Do you think dielectric breakdown is what is splitting the water though?
Perhaps I'm wrong but I was under the impression that dielectric breakdown results in arcing?
Also, the voltage in the cell will rise toward infinity but it is still limited by the components in the circuit, the coils will see that voltage and if the voltage gets to high the coils will breakdown.
I think the dielectric breakdown of water requires a voltage in the MV range. Perhaps there is something I am not understanding though....
(Ref: )
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#45 ·
You will still have the pulling force, the depletion layer will act as a barrier between the Water and Plate surface. So you will have a B+ field and a B- field on the surface of the plates. With out this depletion layer forming, you will have a dead short condition and current will flow and voltage will drop. The gate pulse acts as a voltage limiter so that you don't have arcing when breakdown occurs. -
#46 ·
I guess I need to go do more studying. Thanks for the explanation! -
#47 ·
This is a drawing showing the basics of the depletion layers role in all of this.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/B+_B-_Depletion_Layer.png) -
#48 ·
ok this is my theory on the purpose of the Gate pulse. When you have the depletion layer form on both electrodes, it will get larger and larger as the voltage increases. At some point the voltage will make the depletion layer large enough that the two will meet and cause a bridge between the two electrodes. This will cause a dead short condition and current will flow and voltage will drop and you will have a loss of resonance. So this is where the gate comes into play, it limits the depletion layer from getting too big and causing the bridge between the two electrodes.
The B+ & B- depletion layers cause the stripping of the electrons and when the gates switch off, the atoms will link back up as diatomic hydrogen.
The antibonding (top) molecular orbitals of the H2 molecule. (out of phase orbit)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/H2OrbitalsAnimation.gif) -
#49 · date not recorded
I've already gotten the 8XA setup to work. I just haven't gotten the VIC circuit to react the same way yet. Back in early January 2011, I got the cell to charge to over 800 volts with 12 volts input @ less than 20mA. It looks like what has to take place is the voltage to the transformer has to be slowly increased from low voltage to its max voltage. This allows a depletion layer to form on the plates, much like a diode/transistor. If you through 12v straight to the transformer it wont allow a depletion layer to form and it will cause a dead short condition. When this depletion layer forms, it blocks current and allows the voltage to build.
there is a post somewhere where a guy says he gets much more gas output when the tubes were first electropolished. The water didnt develop any brown gunk that way... so if the high voltage electropolishing was used to deplete the iron from the surface of the plates so that all that was left was the chromium present in the stainless 316L this would prevent leechoing of the iron into the water...but it also helps with the amp restriction as a barrier like in a transistor at the junction... if you over voltage the electro polishing then you deplete the chromium in the stainless and get to the next layer of iron and in this way you will have no electrodes left... theres a voltage / current limit when electropolishing the waveguides.... we want the end result to be a 98% pure chromium surface... -
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remember the zero point energy comes from the INSTANT OFF condition of the signal, components with millisecond rise and fall times are worthless, we need nanosecond response times...very sharp on and off spikes
another point to remember: a sine wave allows the water molecule to flip slowly as it changes phase 180 degrees, but a sharp square wave will SNAP the molecules 180 degrees, thats where the most efficient heating will be found
the resonance is for the inductive / capacitive characteristics of the chokes, each choke has its resonant frequency that restricts amps to a minimum amount of current but allows voltage to pass
the steam resonator is NOT for producing hydrogen... we DO NOT want to separate the water molecule at this point... and also remember that the resonant chamber was placed inside the water tank, so if you heat the water tank the resonant cavity will also be heated... the need for a steam resonator in the resonant cavity is eliminated.