Figuring out the Steam Resonator
Started by unknown · · 128 posts · last reply 3 March 2012
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#101 · date not recorded
HMS - A named Peter Davey may hold the key to Stan's steam resonator tech and he is still alive, but he's in in 90's so we need to get to him before he dies!
Interesting water-gap!
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Stan Meyer 0.0950 inch = 2.4 millimeters
Peter Davey 0.0826 inch = 2.1 millimeters
Looks like Peter used "Three" frequencies: 350, 49, 1000Hz
So there must be a "key note" for the water molecule and use this fundamental frequency and put harmonic on it or enharmonic ?
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg22201.html#msg22201
Note:
If you have a fundamental frequency (sinewave) and then put a harmonic (sinewave) on the fundamental we get a new shape.
"There are several important aspects to this new shape.
First, its shape is not a simple sine wave, so it will sound richer than just a pure tone.
Second, even though the shape is different, the period and frequency are the same as the fundamental above.
This is very important, because it means that the pitch stays the same.
So, now we can see the connection between shape, harmonics and tone quality.
If add harmonics to the fundamental, we change the shape of the wave, but not its pitch, so this gives us a way of independently controlling the tone quality without affecting the pitch. It does not matter if we add a wave at 3f, 7f, or 32f. The shape will change but the pitch will not."
Br,
Webmug -
#102 ·
Here's something I want to test.attachment_10733 Steam Resa.jpg
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#103 ·
The upload did not come out right. I will retry
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#104 ·
The tumb nail leaves off detail. Download the jpg. The plate connection is top center -
#105 ·
Circuit explained:
The transistors are configured as an H-bridge.
This series of transistors will take 400 volts.
T1 is a 1:10 step-up. T2 is the choke coils bifilar wrapped similar to the 8XA.
The bridge diodes should act as the blocking diode.
The CD4047 will deliver a near perfect 50/50 pulse.
The only thing I’m not sure of is the value of the bias resistors for the transistors,
and the overall frequencies.
I plan on winding the coils on a large ferrite U core, probably with 18 gauge wire.
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#106 ·
Thanks everyone for the submissions!
With a team effort, we can solve this!
Tony has been very generous and helpful with information - some of us, like myself, have submitted what we can.
The explanations make sense regarding the audio signals and different harmonics... -
#107 · date not recorded
I am discovering some interesting pulse combinations with this circuit, but still no hot water, regardless of water type (distilled, tap, well, etc.)
@Tony:
Did you use resistive wire in your vic by chance?
I am using copper on pri and sec and both have no effect...
Primary: 7.5 ohm
Secondary: 72 ohm
It could also be the core I am using - it is a ferrite rod with permeability of around 200.
I am not using any chokes...
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#108 ·
The last thing I am trying to understand is if the steam resonator tubes were part of an open circuit or a closed circuit. A transformer will still provide voltage in an open circuit. One of Meyer's drawings shows the tubes connected to ground making a complete circuit so I'm not sure. Or does the water act as a ground?
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#109 ·
Yes, this is confusing to me also HMS, Stan's document shows a separate ground for an optional 'heat resonator'?
The ground seems to be separate from that of the primary and driving circuitry.
I have built that circuit with many variations, and got no results.
I believe Stan left something out intentionally, for patent reasons.
Below is a pic from my scope using Tony's alternating dc circuit which is supposed to heat the water, but so far the only thing it heats is the two 220 ohm resistors, and they get HOT!
The scope is connected at the secondary of the transformer, across the cell.
Water is distilled. Scope is set to 5V / div, so the signal amplitude is approx. 20V.
I am certain the fault lies somewhere in my transformer construction, which only Tony knows how to build correctly.
My transformer consists of approx. 600 turns 29AWG magnet wire primary and 3000 turns 29AWG magnet wire secondary, on a ferrite rod with permeability of 200.
It can't be anything else, because the waveforms and circuit seem to be working correctly...
I am not giving up though - each day you fail is one day closer to success!
attachment_10760 steam_res_Scope.jpg
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#110 ·
That waveform is exactly what I'm seeing in my multisim designs as well.
If you remove those high ohm resistors the waveform will become more square.
But you probably need a higher secondary inductance to limit the current in a way which does not dissipate so much power and mess up the waveform. -
#111 · date not recorded
HMS, the scope reading is from Tony's circuit with the TIP120 transistors, and there are no high value resistors in the circuit...
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#112 · date not recorded
Here is a link to a pdf I think some of you may find interesting...
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#113 · date not recorded
Bubz,
Nice find! It is interesting in that the document refers to frequencies that affect the water molecule.
I believe the steam resonator is not as specific as the resonant cavity unit though, as it only needs to pulse two plates alternately + then - in sequence.
I believe our issues lie in the transformer design. The only ones I know who have been successful are Tony and Don, to some degree.
I am not aware of any others who claim to have the steam resonator working, or to have heated water any other way aside from electrolysis.
I will try augus' circuit and see if I get better results than with Tony's resistor heater!
Augus: Is the 1khz source in your diagram from another external 1khz source or is it the 4047 listed in the circuit? -
#114 · date not recorded
The title of this video is misleading, but, what is really being shown is how water can be heated with a resonant cavity and without an alternating electric field.
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#115 · date not recorded
The 1 kHz signal is separate and is just a guess for a starting point. I have not have time to test my circuit and it was drawn from memory of driving motors forward/reverse. -
#116 ·
The steam resonator is more complicated than the resonant cell itself. -
#117 ·
Why do you say that Sebosfato?
It seems to me the SM has 3 coils. Primary, secondary, pulse pickup. The pulse pickup coil is used witht the PLL circuit to detect and lock on to the self resonance of the secondary coil. At the secondary coils self resonance it becomes a parallel tank circuit which has a nearly infinite impedance. Rectify the output since the parallel tank creates AC (rectifiers shown at each switching transistor on the home heating unit) and switch the transistors at high speed to change the polarity across the tubes and you heat the water in the same fashion as a microwave.
There's probably more to it than that, as we have discovered about most of Meyer's work but for now that's my understanding..... -
#118 ·
I'm saying that, because i believe it is kind of a doubled vic so if you can't put a 1 vic to work how think that with 2 it would.
Of course we know stan used 11 vics to put it to work..
The paper accepts any theory, however in the practice the theory is another.
When we understand why meyer says that voltage can perform work in a dead short condition, than we will understand how the steam resonator goes.
I just wanted to point you in the direction stan pointed keep it simple stupid don't make it complicated.
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#119 · date not recorded
So, in order to think outside the box, we first have to think inside a box?
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#120 · date not recorded
So, from what I have learned there are a few ways you can build the steam resonator.
-You can use Tony's circuit which is kinda like a halfbridge driver.
-You can build a fullbridge driver to switch the polarity at the primary coil
-Or you can switch the polarity directly at the resonator.
Switching the polarity at the secondary side (directly at the resonator) gives the most flexibility as this way you can drive the coil at a constant frequency. This way changing the switching frequency will not change the impedance of the coil, and you can switch the polarity as fast as you want. I'm not sure if Meyer used 'Dead time' between switching or if that was why he had those high watt resistors to prevent the short circuit during the swictching overlap. The Tech Brief diagrams do show dead time though. Trying to figure out how to add it to the driving circuit???attachment_10774 Switching.png
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#121 · date not recorded
Has a frequency been determined? We know that water efficiently adsorbs energy from infrared and microwave frequency ranges, but, are there any special frequencies we could use that are in the sound and ultrasound ranges? -
#122 ·
AFAIK no specific frequency has been found. I think it depends on the transformer setup.
Tony says he generated hot water using his alternating dc circuit, and I believe him.
However, I think he is doing something more exotic with the transformer or the cell, as those are
the only two variables, beside the two signal inputs, that could affect it.
I believe the frequency will depend on the cell, transformer, and the water, but you would think
it would be more forgiving than the resonant cavity, as it is simply alternating HV on and off...
Another curious fact is meyer's steam resonator coil has much thicker wire than the dunebuggy
coils - does this tell us it was a lower voltage than on the resonant cavity coils? -
#123 · date not recorded
Tony's circuit is bunk.
I, and it seems many other, on this site have built the steam resonator circuit he posted and got ---- nada!
The only thing I accomplished was frying 220 ohm resistors because they overheated so badly.
If you are going to post something that you claim works, make sure it does - we may actually try to build it.
If someone has an idea that does work and is not just trying to get publicity, feel free to post - I will be the first to chip in! -
#124 ·
Which circuit/s are you speaking of meyertech? I was not aware Tony had anything posted. -
#125 ·
This is the circuit Tony posted that does not work.
Perhaps there is more to it than has been released.
All I know is that the circuit, as posted, does not work. Plain and simple.
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