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Figuring out the Steam Resonator

Started by unknown · · 128 posts · last reply 3 March 2012

  1. ali

    #76 ·

    BE CAREFUL...the heater elements are thick wires surrounded by ceramic and enclosed in a copper tube...the voltages are very dangerous and the current is isolated from the water by the ceramic

    This is why the tank is not required to be insulated from the earth

    BUT if you use stans system you have to use plastic pipe to connect your home to the tank on in and out lines and you have to insulate the tank from people and from the earth ground.

    although the voltages wont be very high, they could be and also the voltage in the water causes electrolysis in the house  piping system and corrosion...so you might be better off designing an isolated heater system that then transfers heat from an exchange coil with heat transfer fins wrapping the stainless piping alongside the plastic piping so that the two liquids are totally isolated from each other both chemically and electrically

    a heat exchanger is the way to go

    take it from a HVAC engineer...

  2. waterfreak

    #77 · date not recorded

    Thanks for the info Tony.
    It looks good in theory, but in reality that circuit does not work.
    The Meyer waveform, I believe, should be channel A on, then both channels off, then channel B on, then both channels off, etc.
    When breadboarded, your circuit only produces short spikes which occur at the same time.
    Also, shouldn't there be a diode on the secondary of the output coil?
    We have to start somewhere - I need to determine the relationship of the two complementary transistor driver circuit.
    I think this may hold the key.
    We can generate khz square waves quite easily with 555 timers.

  3. TonyWoodside

    #78 · date not recorded

    @Waterfreak - You must have something wrong, cuz I have built this circuit and it works fine. Here is the signal at the input of the transformer. Remove the R7 & R8 resistors.

    (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/steam_resonator_pulse.jpg)

  4. waterfreak

    #79 ·

    I have breadboarded it twice, and this is all I get at the output before the transformer.
    One channel stays on all the time (or the frequency is too high on one of the sig gens - two 555 timer circuits)
    Wouldn't it be easier to use just one sig gen and invert it instead of two?
    This circuit's output is not clean at all, very noisy.
    Also, you must have used tap water in your test cell and not distilled?
    I am using distilled to ensure I get no electrolysis, but cannot get it to do anything.
    I do get small bubbles when I use another circuit which puts out around 450VAC (flyback driver circuit)...

    attachment_10674 SCOPE.JPG

  5. TonyWoodside

    #80 ·

    not sure why its not working for you, I use distilled water for all my testing. You have to have two signals, one is the resonant frequency signal and the other is the gating signal.

  6. TonyWoodside

    #81 ·

    This is the layout of my circuit.
    (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/steam_resonator_circuit.PNG)

    Heres the PDF of the circuit, if you want to build it.

  7. waterfreak

    #82 ·

    Wow, thanks for that info.
    The waveform I get is channel A is on 4x as long as channel B.
    At least it does alternate now though.
    I still do not get anything happening at the cell though.
    Right now I am so frustrated I think the only way to get the water to do anything is to drive two 40kv flyback transformers on and off and shock the water with it.
    I'm sure that may cause an effect of some type ;)

    All the other things I have tried have failed, and I think the voltage just isn't enough.
    What kind of transformer are you using - a step-up?
    I used a primary of approx. 600 turns to a secondary of 3500 turns - no effect.
    I also tried a primary of approx. 600T and secondary of 5500 turns - no effect.
    I also tried with and without a diode on the secondary - no effect.
    It's no wonder most people say this is all bunk - so far, it appears to be.
    The average experimenter would have given up on all this decades ago.
    If only we had Stan's devices to examine...

  8. HMS-776

    #83 ·

    I think that's because it's like what Steve Meyer said "It's a tuned system". If a single one of the many different parameters of the circuit are not correct it will not work....At least for the VIC and resonant cavity....Not sure if the steam resonator is the same. The use of the driving circuitry of the steam resonator coil being identical to the resonant cavity driving circuitry seems to suggest it.

  9. waterfreak

    #84 ·

    You may be right, and if that's the case, we have no hope of ever getting it to work - without having Stan's original devices to replicate.
    If it's that specific, we will be burning oil for the next 200 years.

  10. HMS-776

    #85 ·

    I think we will figure it out eventually, but it will take a team effort.
    We have made many strides on this forum thanks to everyone's contributions.

  11. waterfreak

    #86 · date not recorded

    Thanks for the input everyone, although the circuits look great on paper, in reality all you get is a VERY hot 7805 regulator.
    Perhaps I need to use other signal generators for the circuit.
    It does NOT like 555 timer inputs, I know that - even if powered at 5V.
    Atached is the 555 square wave generator I was using (2 of them).
    If you run the circuit with no signal inputs, the two 220 ohm resistors on the TIP120s burn up.
    Add two 555 signal generators and the 220 resistors burn up along with the 7805 regulator.
    I feel like taking the picture tube out of a tv and putting a water cell in its place just to get even with the water!!
    Perhaps that is not a bad idea after all ;)

    attachment_10677 555_SIG_GEN.jpg

  12. HMS-776

    #87 · date not recorded

    As I was searching the net for scientific papers on water oscillation I came across 2 patents in which coencentric stainless steel tubes have an oscillating frequency passing through them to heat water....Looks like these poeple were using the same methods as Meyer was to heat water.

    Attached are the two patents....Only a quick read will reveal that these patents used the same tech as Meyer to heat water....Further study opens up questions on ion-drag as a way to heat dielectric materials (water) using a low frequency oscillating source.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_heating
    (Read the part on the Mechanism)

    Here's a quote from the first patent I attached from the "Summary of the invention"

    Quote
    The chamber has an inner stainless steel tube about which the water flows. Surrounding both the inner stainless steel tube and the flowing water is an outer stainless steel tube. The two coencentric stainless steel tubes are used as electrodes that are connected to a source of electrical oscillations. As the water passes between the two stainless steel tubes, these electrical oscillations are impresses upon the flowing water so that the water may be heated.

    Enjoy Everyone

     US5506391 Steam Resonator Type patent.pdf  US5506391 Steam Resonator Type patent 2.pdf

  13. waterfreak

    #88 · date not recorded

    HMS:
    Nice find - although from the patents it mentions dissolved metals in the water.
    They may be using some kind of electrolysis, which is worthless for our purposes (at least mine).


    Tony:
    I scrapped the 555 signal generator crap I had and came up with this circuit to generate the alternating pulses.
    It generates a nice clean signal on the scope, but still fails to drive your steam resonator board properly.
    Perhaps there needs to be an interface between the two circuits?
    What did you use to drive the circuit when it worked for you? - Perhaps you said something nice to it for it to work?
    The scope is set to 5V / div.
    I have also breadboarded Stan's steam resonator patents numerous times, failing on all of them.
    He could have 'happened' to leave things out to keep us from getting it I think...

    What am I doing wrong?
    My cell and vic are also shown below.
    Obviously, the top alligator clip it not stainless, but the pipe is.

    attachment_10681 attachment_10683 attachment_10685 attachment_10687 siggen_resonator.jpg scope_siggen_resonator.jpg CELL.JPG VIC.JPG

  14. TonyWoodside

    #89 · date not recorded

    Waterfreak - I used two of Stan's basic frequency generators to drive the circuit

    HMS - A named Peter Davey may hold the key to Stan's steam resonator tech and he is still alive, but he's in in 90's so we need to get to him before he dies!





    (http://keelynet.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/sonicboiler2.jpg)

    (http://i41.tinypic.com/w7ge2t.png)

    (http://www.overunity.com/4083/peter-davey-heater/dlattach/attach/69964/image//)

    (http://i55.tinypic.com/66fe2q.png)

  15. waterfreak

    #90 · date not recorded

    Tony,

    Yes, I saw info on him, and the discovery is amazing.
    However, like most good technology, there are no specifics or replications.
    He has passed away, it appears.
    I will do some research and try to find a sig gen that will work.
    Do you think the signal generator from Stan's 8xa circuit will work?
    I think the main issue is the interface between the signal generators and the driver board.
    Thanks for all the help!

  16. HMS-776

    #91 · date not recorded

    Definately interesting stuff.

    I think Meyer's water heating is more along the lines of using electrostatic forces to cause oscillation, about the same way a microwave does. Personally I think those patents are right on, but they don't provide any diagrams. The explanation they give though fits right in with Meyer's. I think the only difference is Meyer used resonance to reduce the power requirements.

    Don stated the steam resonator driver circuit was the exact same as all the circuits used to drive the resonant cavities.
    From the picture we know the steam resonator VIC (the buggy one) had 3 seperate coils, so we have a primary coil, a secondary coil, and a pulse pickup coil.

    I tend to think the primary coil is the one connected to the FWB since it is the heaviest gauge. And the secondary coil is connected to the NPN/PNP transistors. The connections from the transistors to the steam resonator tubes are not there. I think the wire ends not connected to anything are the pulse pickup coil. I think the FWB may have been used to protect the primary driving transistor from HV spikes but in that case I wonder why regular diodes weren't just used?

  17. TonyWoodside

    #92 · date not recorded

    If you look at the theories behind Peter Davey's technology, it revert back to my theory of Meyer's and Puharich's tech of the "beat" phenomenon where 2 frequencies are merged to give a new frequency or AM signal.

  18. HMS-776

    #93 · date not recorded

    Yeah I did notice that but I'm not understanding it???

    What purpose does the amplitude modulation serve?


    (I have to add also that I have got amplitude modulation in some of Meyer's VIC matrix circuit multisim replications)

  19. TonyWoodside

    #94 · date not recorded

    From what I've learned about the AM signal is that it acts as a Wave–particle duality. This vibrates the molecule!

    (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wave_particle_duality_p_known.svg/500px-Wave_particle_duality_p_known.svg.png)

    (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Wave_particle_duality_p_unknown.svg/380px-Wave_particle_duality_p_unknown.svg.png)

  20. waterfreak

    #95 · date not recorded

    What kind of transformer would be best - a step-up?
    I know Stan had two different resonators - one had 4 conductors, the other had only two.
    The waveforms appear to be correct now, but nothing happens at the cell regardless of what you do.

    The greatest mystery is - what goes between the output of the circuit and the cell - a diode on the secondary?
    Perhaps a diode needs to be added to the output of the circuit before the transformer?
    Also, how long did your cell take to heat up the water at all?
    Are the signal inputs actually 5V or 12V?

    attachment_10696 steam_resonator_mystery.jpg

  21. HMS-776

    #96 ·

    Ok I think I understand....

    So are you saying the molecule vibration is the "resonant action" (particle oscillation) that Meyer talks about?

  22. TonyWoodside

    #97 ·

    From everything I've read between Meyer and Puharich, I would have to say Yes! :-)

  23. waterfreak

    #98 ·

    Is this how the board should be connected?

    attachment_10701 Mystery.jpg

  24. TonyWoodside

    #99 · date not recorded

    Here are the connections.

    (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/steam_resonator_circuit2.PNG)

  25. waterfreak

    #100 · date not recorded

    Thanks for the clarification.
    I will input 5V square waves and see what happens.
    The transformer - it looks like a 1:1 - is that right?
    Also, wouldn't some diodes be needed on the output to cut down the back EMF and
    to protect the TIP120's, or is that what we are after?

    I will try a few different ones to see which works best.
    Wouldn't it be great if I could get some hot water!!