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Started by unknown · · 192 posts · last reply 16 December 2024
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#177 · date not recorded
The VIC has ALOT going on in it.Screen_Recording_20241124_073443_YouTube.mp4
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#178 · date not recorded
When I tell you water become the medium of the transducer that is the electronic component formed by water
A piezzo transducer is just like a capacitor
But it’s dielectric expand under electric field
The Vic and Pll is simply a way to drive it to resonance
It can be done in many ways
The Vic construction as I show in my live videos make it easier since the feedback coil reverse polarity and make the Pll tube to the condition where the current drops to zero
Simple as that and of course complex but works this way and I showed that live
A transducer is like a speaker or like a subwoofer for example if you drive it to resonance it will explode like on those old rock videoclips
If water is the component it will break apart
The thing as I tried to explain is that when you get the electric resonance with magnetic field at the cell and sincronize with the tube resonance it will cause a back emf that will impede current flow and therefore require ever increasing voltage to keep power going in
That’s why the Vic has two sections one gives voltage at low current and one resonated to get high current magnetic field to interact with water
This is what lead to resonance
I got a magnetic field meter last year and it lead me to understand how they behave in distance
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#179 · date not recorded
When I did my Vic I do in two parts one part is a cc transformer and one is the coils over the cell
The coils over the cell must be tuned with a capacitor for the frequency of the cavity
And the cavity is tuneable by length change with a cap that goes inside
The transformer Vic let’s call this way carry two coils having one secondary and primary
Another having a secondary section with a feedback coil over it
This decond bobbin is farther than the primary so when it receive current from the first secondary that is together with the primary it reverses its voltage 180 degrees flipping the feedback signal
When current drop to zero the phase reverts so the Pll can lock at this exact frequency
This happen because the second bobin is not good coupled to the primary so the first secondary that is well coupled wins and being in series with the other secondary summing it actually make the other secondary act as a primary to the feedback coil
When current drops its voltages and currents get under equilibrium so the voltges sum but cure nT cannot flow since the transducer is saturated -
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If you guys like I think we could have a video conference so we can talk more details
I tried to document all my findings on my post my new approach few months ago when I could because my memory is not in best shape anymore
Describing a little better the chokes that provide the magnetic field for the cell is loaded in parallel to lower the quality factor
I tried to make it in such way that the Vic make dc go to water and at same time drive this choke coil forming a parallel resonance with the capacitors
The problem is that it only give max magnetic field at a narrow frequency so it need to be tuned to the cavity to be able to get the cavity to resonate
I had to stop the tests because my money and time finished and so I had to keep my life out sometime because without focus I don’t have progress
The next step I would take would be provide a dc current to the chokes and apply ac to the water to see if the ultrasonic sensor pickup the oscillation
That way I would find the cavity frequency first and than get back with the Vic as I did but tuned to the correct frequency
There seem to be two ways of going that is thru direct induction and this by ultrasonic resonance to restrict the current
When I mean direct induction I mean by transformer effect and it need a different geometry as I show my strange tube prototype build
My idea to completely debunk the teory that to start the reaction you first need some gas bubbles is that if you have deionized water you are going to have pretty low current and barely visible bubbles…
Also you notice water will heat up a lot! Because high voltage low current means heat too
The reaction will happen when this current goes to zero and voltage rise to a level water can’t hold together anymore so a real bubbling will happen
The energy in form of waves that got into water In sync with the magnetic field produce a dc rippling wave because the magnetic field flips in sync with the flipping of the pressure wave of ions crossing the magnetic field
A certain acoustic energy is needed to get the back emf to grow but the point is that once it’s charged the feedback can detect this changes
The reason Meyer frequency was below ten kHz is because the size of the electrode in respect with the tube cavity
That because size of the region of high velocity particles vs pressure will depend on frequency so we need to capture this voltage only at this specific point otherwise if the electrode is longer then the other regions with lower particle velocity would behave like a load to the cell own Voltage limiting and or negating the restriction of the current
So if Meyer really used distilled water because of low ppm I’m sure te first bubbles is not what restrict the current
When I started building it lot of things started to get really much clearer in my understanding of what Meyer was talking about
Is really sad I could not continue with that hope it may help others get there and hope they have the honesty to recognize my contribution
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#181 ·
The energy consumed in this system should be
The heat on coils and capacitors and switching
the residual current on water during out of tuning
The acoustic energy is dependent on this residual current on water
This current only exist because phase differences and the acoustic energy eventually becomes dimmer
And most importantly because the ever increasing voltage applied by the Vic
If the voltage stay the same the current should keep very close to zero because the acoustic energy won’t simply go away
So to increase the level of acoustics energy voltage need to be increased
So the whole system consume some power and that’s why superconductors will help maximize it to the limit allowing probably to get to rocket power generating level
In physics you can reduce everything to every action gives a reaction and it makes easy to learn lenz law right hand rule and all you need to understand that if you approach a magnet to a copper it will repel but if you try to get it away it will attract
Likely when a coil magnetic field is 90degres of the motion of particles the magnetic field will not get consumed but will deflect the particles
And also that if a driving force has a backemf as reaction to limit the power in like in a dc motor accelerating
That’s why we can simply know that when we apply the voltage and there is a magnetic field the acceleration caused will reduce the current the higher the velocity is reached
To be clear what makes the particles accelerate is voltage and if this particles are inside a cavity they will resonate accumulating energy up to hundreds times the energy you are placing in
If you put 40w into a resonating cavity with a quality factor of a 200 you get 8kw of resonating acoustic power
So the frequency is really sharp anything outside of fraction of a hz difference will not allow max power accumulation because the power in and inside may have phase difference
Here is why the phase Locked loop comes into use
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#182 · date not recorded
I hope you guys figure it out. This will likely be my last post here.
Fabio, you're way overcomplicating it.
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#183 · date not recorded
I hope you guys figure it out. This will likely be my last post here.
Fabio, you're way overcomplicating it.
Ciao
I may be but this is my two cents on it…
I’m always open to discussing this ideas and explain better whatever I could not be clear
So if you have a working system I’ would be really glad to learn from it but it is just about opinion and not facts than we must look into ourselves why is so important to be right on something we just believe and didn’t see work
Unfortunately for now I’m not able to spend time on this because I’m focusing on my work for now … but maybe next year I can take a time to make some more tests
I would like to hear what you understand from what I posted and why you think is so complicated? I show in the lives I posted my setup and I don’t really think Is so complicated…
The thing is that we need to reach the level to show any signs of gas
Have you watched the videos lives I posted few months ago?
When anyone come saying well I have the amp restriction here it is why would not I believe ?
When Ronnie came long ago with all that theory I gave all the attention trying to learn anything I could from it but than nothing came from it
And during my last work i realized that simply they were not on the right track at all
Actually when I started questioning I was rapidly kicked out of the “team work”
That’s the problem that happens when we cannot sustain our ideas with facts
And here is why I can not only explain but also show what I’m talking about so this are just facts and not my opinion
We need to stop taking things personal and be open mind for new ideas otherwise what’s the point in only being right
The reason I share my ideas is first for them to be understood than to be scientifically challenged and even debunked but it need to be understood first otherwise again what’s the point debunking without even trying?
I spend like almost 2k dollars at the time of ronie team to make my cell and stuff and I’m still thankful for the experience even without any result I learned a lot from it
Ciao ma rimani con noi!
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#184 · date not recorded
Calculate the following
The length of the wave of 5khz on water
Than look to see how ultrasonic cleaning works
It will become self evident the relation
Specially after reading the ultrasonic patent Meyer cited on the Pll patent and understanding the phenomena of anti resonance on piezo for welding
Than I sum with magnetic field and bang here is how it all relates and is the only possible way to generate voltage on a cell with tube inside tube geometry
I made thousands of hand drawings thousands of hours of work until I got here
Believe it or not
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#185 · date not recorded
I understand that Fabio is overthinking after all these years.
Please timeS, tell us the trick so we can stop all the suffering....
Thank you in advance...
SteveI hope you guys figure it out. This will likely be my last post here.
Fabio, you're way overcomplicating it.
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#187 · date not recorded
Try a gate pulse of 7hz, 75% duty cycle.
There is a very good reason for this. -
#188 · date not recorded
Try a gate pulse of 7hz, 75% duty cycle.
There is a very good reason for this.
Schumann frequency? -
#189 · date not recorded
Try a gate pulse of 7hz, 75% duty cycle.
There is a very good reason for this.
Schumann frequency?
No, that's just a coincidence. -
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The 7hz frequency area can be calculated. -
#191 ·
The 7hz frequency area can be calculated.
I am listening.....
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