Steve

This is what I did when I tested using 2 TV flyback transformers. It didn't make one single hho bouble.

Jolt,

What did you use as container?

br
Steve

@Dankie
In the video I think you are talking about there is no treatment to the tubes at all.
There's a couple videos where I heated the tubes and created a carbon layer that was a few Mega ohms and the layering gave it a diode characteristic. I am assuming that it's got to be this...
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S0103-50532002000400005&script=sci_arttext

The heat treatment created the CrO2 inner layer and FeO2 outer layer, but, the butane flame deposited a carbon layer (resistance) on top...the result was more charge retention (slower charge leakage into water) and, a diode characteristic.
Myself and another person (collaborating on skype) both found that you could run it  wired up in only one way (The treated tube as - ). Otherwise the layer would be forced off the electrode by the +pressure wave.

When the water was made to conduct (electrolyte added), the cell was wired up correctly, and, 120vdc was applied, the 100w bulb in series with the cell would not light, meaning very little current was flowing. However, when the electrode polarity was reversed the light lit up and the layer was "ejected" from the now + treated tube.

I have never said it was what Stan was doing....nor that it was needed...I simply wanted to show that certain layers may be beneficial here.
I will say however that is most likely a factor in Stan's technology, because, it's going to happen no matter what!! (unless the electrode(s) are insulated)...As you see from the research any type of energetic/oxygen rich environment will cause the FeO2/CrO2 boundary interaction...this is very good, it's like the action of a lead-acid battery with lead + electrodes and Lead oxide - electrodes. It makes a one way energy storage take place (also like electrolytic capacitors).

Hi Radiant,

Can you confirm that this layer you made, also improved efficiency in gas production?

Br
Steve

Sounds good, but now in practisch.
Do those piezo bolts really excists?
I never seen those. However, its worth a try.
Even if it was to rule out the possibility, is it.

Br
Steve

Does anyone have such a bolts?

I am tired of the attitudes of some , who have given up on Meyers simply because THEY couldn't do it or see anything .

There is such a thing as ether and the bifilar and capacitor are a collector of that , its everywhere the same thing , every OU technology .
This is a water fuel research site , not a whining site .

Dankie, this is my last warning to you.
You are creating the idea of negativity.

If you look at Outlaw, Radiant, me, Electroljolt, we are just saying what we think is the thruth. As you know, we are doing that here pretty straitforward, without worrying to much about politics.
Just say what you technically think. Show. Prove. Discussions are good, not bad.
And sometimes we simply do not understand eachother. Many different backgrounds, sensitivity's, personality's....
The only thing i always had as rule, it that we RESPECT eachother.
Well, sometimes we go too far and i hope we are grown up enough to say sorry.

Steve

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So, that is really strange........!

you ever wounder why stan says you need more heneries then capacitance?..  answer anyone?

Sure, basics.

The higher the inductance and the lower the capacitance, the narrower the bandwidth.

Steve

No offense Steve...but, I read nothing of any resonance, you said you needed a bigger tube because your circuit couldn't reach 300Khz. I see no successful replication at all. Maybe you have talked to others that have...but, I would like to see proof.
Here's the difference Steve, I try and decipher a rather mysterious patent...I use my reading comprehension coupled with my knowledge of physics and electrical effects to hypothesize how it's operating. We know voltage potential is suppose to do work...we know that there is suppose to be IONIZED GAS....we know that AMPS ARE INHIBITED...I know how electricity REALLY works...and the "Poynting Flow" or voltage phenomena is the driving force, and that it's energy manipulates electrons and anti-electrons (Or whatever the counter flow is)....so I put the equation together and see it working in my mind....I offer MY OPINION!

You on the other hand are trying to tell us all "As a matter of fact" that it's a myth and that Naudin failed and it was just amps leaking...you say

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Of course we seen hv and capacitance and resonance

, yet when you show your replication you have no such thing. So, I ask you...why do you speak from authority, saying "it's a myth...it's amp leakage making bubbles"?...when clearly you are skipping the whole basis of my interpretation!

If you make a perfect capacitor (even a good yet slightly leaky one)...just charging it will only create minimal gas...once charged YOU MUST RE-ROUTE THE CHARGE...disconnected from load so you don't create an energy sink that would draw more amps on the primary wire (this is the gating time of Meyer's system)...the charge is on the plates...AND ACROSS THE WATER/DIELECTRIC...you should read up on HOW to make ionized gas if you think my mode of operation is a "The Myth of Meyer"

Radiant,

I promised you to show my NAudin tests. Later on, i tried other ideas.
What you suggest, is to use an EEC circuit to discharge the charge of the cap. Is that the trick accoording to your knowledge?
Please show us some of yr Naudin testsetup.

Steve

Very cool...but I bet NOT ONE OF YOU HAD AN EEC!  

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Of course we seen hv and capacitance and resonance

If you have seen this...then the electrical stress MUST be translated across the water gap too (EEC works here)...
And as for the proof you speak of...I myself would also love to see some of your replication of Naudin   (if it's on the forum somewhere I would love for you to show me)

Here you are:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,467.0.html

The EEC Electrojolt and i made was not involved in these tests.

Steve

@Waytogo
Yes...electrolysis is "HOT" because electrons are being crammed into the water creating friction...which creates heat. Meyer's process doesn't allow electrons in....instead he "POTENTIALIZES" the water's electrons and then provides an energy "sink" for them. So it's cool because electrons are leaving!!!

Well, thats the myth of Stan.........
My 10 tube cell stayd cool too when it ran on the alternator.

Steve

Outlaw,

Please do not restric the free thinking potential. That was not what i wanna say. Go on. I only want to say, that most of all processen with coils end up being basic electrolysis.

I just think that many researchers are mixing 2 techics and that doesnt work.
1 = greating HHO gas
2= ionization of the HHO

Steve

Well, Outlaw,

I like to keep it simple and practicle.
I like to discus this with you. 
At the end you talk about a charge in the chokes/coils transformer. Well, what happens when the power is off? What happens to the charge in those nice coils?

Accoording to the knowledge i have, you will have a discharge. That discharge will happen very quick. Meaning: lots of amps  in a short periode. With a bifcoil you can slow the discharge, but it will happen....

Maybe we should look at things as they are. If you see the drawing of Stans alternator schematic, you see he uses 1 with and 1 without chokes. The only reason to use chokes is to reduce current, as Stan said. Why you think he needed that?
Well, from my tests, i can tell you that if you have a very large wfc with tubes in parallel, your totall resistance will be very very low.
Like 0.1ohm. What happens with yr alternator? Well, the cell pulls so massive amps that the alternator will smoke up.
To control and to be able to have a big wfc, he added some chokes, to keep amps under control.
I know. I tried. I proved it. 

Steve

Outlaw,

Let me tell you what i undertstand when i read all this.

opposite electrical voltage = not the same electrical voltage or potential difference
Example: +12V   opposite=-12V
But only against a common electrode or ground, so to speak.

Sequential mode: = shifting between one and another. In this case: first you pulse +12V and then -12V against a common ground.
So how in practice? Use 3 plates, or 3 tubes. The electrode in the middle should be the common.

What would be the effect of such a setup on water? Well, in my theory, you still have current running, so it stays electrolysis.

If sequential mode means that both the +12V and -12V are powerd on and off  with help of a timer, then what do we get?
Do we not have 24V across the outer plates? Still current running? Still electrolysis?

Steve , just thinking out loud on the forum

thanks,  this project is driving me crazy lol..   this quote says it all

" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"
 

on another note lets switch our relativity to super slow motion for a second.. 1 full analog pulse could vary from 0-12 volts.. it is not a square wave, it is climbing in time  startin at 0 and up to 12..  then it drops like a square wave..  now what happens when primarys negative side connection to ground is being gated... you have a interation of solid incoming positve analog signal being switched on and off on the neg side.. this all is happening in time and in sync.. so if the analog if solid and its getting switched in a on and off manner on the other side of the primary.. what is going on, on the core when the ground is off but the analogs still climbing while thats happening.. could that 50 percent off put time of the frequency be the frequency double?  when the gate turns ground back on???

" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"

Well, he also said: Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition......


Both sentenses doesn't make any sense, do they....

Hope some body can explain what here really meant.

Steve

lol yeah, it is written in patent 4936961, somewhere else was written "the secondary _MAY_ include 2 chokes" - something like that.
if you're done with the jackhammer approach and/or believe meyer is invalid, try looking into avramenko plug and what frolov and stiffler said, it's a totally different and a more subtle approach to electrolysis.
I wonder what would happen if a primary of a transformer is placed on an avramenkoplug and the freq is tuned.

I am hoping and waiting for the day that i can put the jackhammer approach in the closet.
But nobody ever showed another way for HHO production. Lots of theory. As long as nobody showed 5 litres HHO / minute that is done not the jackhammer way, then that is the only realistic way.
Keep on trying to do it otherwise, Please! That is the holy Grail.

Steve

i agree.
0khz = DC
Hahahahahahaha , good find!

If you wonder why we sometimes feel depressed,well its not because we make no progress in out labs, but its because of the hydrogen............


Steve

That is a great circuit in that video Dankie.
Anybody have a schematic of it?

Steve

Great video!

Steve

Its not fake .

Xogen has a multi-million dollar research center in orangeville .

I dont think they would have spent that $ for a normal KOH electrolyser project .

That page is very interresting btw ...

Why is snow white? Whats so special about water anyways ?

Dankie, just ask people in africa what is special about water........
Water and light means life.

Steve

Quote from: Steve on October 16, 2009, 16:48:24 pm

Lets run on ammonia.

Steve

....  Ke?  (ala: Faulty Towers)
 

Nitrogen and hydrogen = ammonia