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  1. Donaldwfc

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  2. kinesisfilms

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    donald the concept he explains in the beginning is exactly what is going on in the vic and wfc setup....this is why there are multiple frequencies in the meyers equations once set at "resonance"....there are resonant pulses and a resonant frequency.

    this is perfect....this is why andrija puharich and meyers actually have a shit load in common.

  3. Donaldwfc

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    I knew you would value this video :)

  4. kinesisfilms

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    modulating the output...soo good . thank you this explains it perfectly.

    after i get something to eat i will finally punch out the numbers in the tech brief for the frequencies.

    and possibly draw up a picture.

  5. Steve

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    Great video! ;)

    Steve

  6. kinesisfilms

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    alright so to get a conversion of 12 volts 3.3 amps (40 watts) to 40,000 volts at .001 amps (40watts) we need a Z = 12,000....with R= 11,600 ohms then XL-XC= 3,073 ohms.

    given information in the tech brief states that a tube size of 3 inches in height with .75 outer diameter .5 inner diameter .0625 wall thickness has a resonant frequency with the vic of around 5,000 hz. (he later also calls this resonant pulse)

    so with the tube specifications and the dialetric constant of water equaling 78.54 ohms we get 9.4583E-11 farads

    now here is where i am confused.....this wording is very tricky here
    (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/perhertz.jpg)

    what does this 2,500 discrete pulses in a 50% duty cycle per hz mean.......it isn't just a difficult way of saying 2.5khz is it?......the 50% duty cycle per hz throws me off.

    electrojolt...if you happen to read this what is your take on this?

  7. electrojolt

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    When I read this sometime ago, I saw it as:

    the 5Khz is the resonace freq of the transformer (VIC) then the .5hz is the gating.

    when I tested John's VIC, It did generate a sine wave (resonace) I didn't have a chance to check the freq, the chokes burned up too fast.

    but I did see a pure sine wave just by placing the scope probe close to the VIC.

    so a .5Hz = to a on pulse duration of one second.  Then this means that you pulse 5Khz for one second, and then off for one second.

    and in once second 5 KHz (50% duty)  =  to 2500 on pulses and 2500 off pulses.

  8. kinesisfilms

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    i understand now.....thank you very much!

  9. kinesisfilms

    #9 ·

    so if he is using a wave then the reason for gating would make sense...... i am seeing it as a 5 thousand cycles a second meanin one positive pulse and one negative pulse....(a cycle)......super imposing a half hertz gating signal will then create a 2500 UNIPOLAR pulses with a 50% duty cycle since the gating switches off on the negative half of the cycle....he uses the word discrete which means seperate so 2,500 seperate pulses.......interesting.

    any comments on this electrojolt?

    i hope this is correct.

    but if that is the case then that is still not gated....ugh......so then the 2,500 unipolar pulses with a 50% duty cycle would now enter the inductor and once passing the inductor it would be doubled with a frequency of 5,000 unipolar (double) pulses would enter the water cavity.

    then i think those pulses are switched on and off......this creates the pulse train......the on and off switching is the LC resonant frequency.

    each patent he has a new way of explaining it......it is always the same situation though.....just like what is going on in the video  the coil has a resonant frequency of 135khz but they make audio waves by gating it anywhere from 20hz to 22khz.......just like andrija puharich said......even in meyers older patents he uses unfiltered dc which are pulses then gates the pulses!.....now we are creating unfiltered dc from a 50 percent duty cycle pulse and then gating the unfiltered dc to make pulse trains.

    so this is a huge part to it.......THERE ARE 2 RESONANT FREQUENCIES.....A RESONANT PULSE AND A LC RESONANCE.

    and i like the statement from WO 92/07861 "Also, at a resonant condition harmonic effects occur."....i can only imagine what will begin to happen on the step charging and decay times of the wfc....almost like a sustained ringing inside the tubes....not a physical ringing but an energetic one.....so the cell will be doing plenty of work on the gated off pulses as the enrgy is dissipated into the cell thus you need half the energy to do twice the work.

    this technology is simply amazing.

  10. Donaldwfc

    #10 ·

    good stuff

    just had a thought

    say you have 60 Hz AC, and you half wave rectify it, you go from ^v^v^v to ^ ^ ^, but you still have 60 Hz, and it's 60 Hz unipolar DC 50% duty cycle

    say you full wave rectify the 60 Hz AC, and go from ^v^v^v to ^^^^^^, now you have 120 Hz unipolar DC 100% duty cycle

    is this right?

    is it relevant?


  11. kinesisfilms

    #11 ·

    that is correct and relevant....now in stans older work he full wave rectifies the signal from let's say 60 hz ^v^v^v to _^|^|^|^|^|^_ making it 120 hz or twice the original frequency and now it is unfiltered DCthen he gates that signal for his lc resonance....the gating of that signal on and off might make the overall signal let's say 500hz......it depends on the L and C.


    in his more recent work he uses single unipolar pulses let's say 60 pulses a second_^_^_^_^_ (sort of like ac but unipolar this can be accomplished on a signal generator with a dc offset or a pulse mode).....are sent into the bifilar inductor and the emf release produces _^|^|^|^|^|^_ 120 pulses a second or at this point unfiltered DC becuase of the diode and it's direction....that signal is then gated for LC resonance.

    but you are correct.

  12. Donaldwfc

    #12 ·

    wow you can gate a 120 Hz frequency and get 500 Hz out?

    that is interesting and useful knowledge

  13. kinesisfilms

    #13 ·

    wow you can gate a 120 Hz frequency and get 500 Hz out?

    that is interesting and useful knowledge

    aghh no i meant to write "let's say...."  sorry.

    but yes you can just like in the tesla coil where they turned the 135khz resonant frequency into audio! (20HZ-22KHZ)

  14. Donaldwfc

    #14 ·

    i mean take a small frequency and gate it to get a larger frequency, 120 to 500, as opposed to 500 to 120 which is easy to visualize

    i suppose each pulse would have a different amplitude though, if the first frequency was a rounded waveform

  15. kinesisfilms

    #15 ·

    you cannot take a small frequency and make it a larger frequency....IE 4 hz pulse and make it a 16khz pulse.

    you can take a large frequency.....like in the tesla coil video a frequency of 135,000 hz and by pulsing it on and off (GATING) you can create audio waves which are in the range of 20HZ to 20,000HZ that entire range is much much smaller then the coils resonant frequency so YES.

    YOU CAN TAKE A HIGHFREQUENCY AND GATE IT TO A VERY SMALL ONE....BUT NOT A LOW FREQUENCY AND GATE IT TO A HIGH FREQUENCY....that cannot be done.

    that is how they got the tesla coil above audio frequency range to work with the bass guitar's very very low audio range.

    each pulse would not have a different amplitude if you are switching it on and off.....it works like a square wave.....if you faded in and faded out the pulses like a sine wave then yes each pulse would have a different amplitude.

    but in meyers work he takes a unipolar pulse (which is basically unfiltered dc pulsed on and off to make a square wave) and then gates that with a much larger square wave. IE switching instantly on and instantly off GATING.

    i can draw this if you still can't see it.....the radio works exactly like this....this is frequency modulation or FM......where AM is amplitude modulation.....and meyers technology uses both (in a sense)

  16. Donaldwfc

    #16 ·

    i was thinking like this, maybe it wasn't explained very good

    attachment_3859 Photo 37.jpg

  17. kinesisfilms

    #17 ·

    ha no that is wrong.

    i will draw what i am talking about.

  18. Donaldwfc

    #18 ·

    wrong as in not possible?

    i dono if it is useful, but i would venture to guess it is possible

  19. kinesisfilms

    #19 ·

    no your are correct in your drawings but that is not what is happening.....yes that can happen.....but that is not what is happening.....the signal isn't rounded....make it square so the amplitude is constant and that would be the input wave into the vic primary....i am scanning the images.

  20. kinesisfilms

    #20 ·

    oh and the images below actually only show 3hz...but just pretend they are 5khz.

    (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/pulses1.jpg)
    (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/pulses2.jpg)

    a very good statement
    (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/hiitspermolecule.jpg)

    so basically everything comes down to the coils resonant frequency....the coils resonant pulse in this case would be the 2,500 input pulses which would turn into the 5,000 pulses.

    the resonant frequency would be the 8 times a second over all pulse.....that is resonance between the inductor and capacitor.

  21. electrojolt

    #21 ·

    so if he is using a wave then the reason for gating would make sense...... i am seeing it as a 5 thousand cycles a second meanin one positive pulse and one negative pulse....(a cycle)......super imposing a half hertz gating signal will then create a 2500 UNIPOLAR pulses with a 50% duty cycle since the gating switches off on the negative half of the cycle....he uses the word discrete which means seperate so 2,500 seperate pulses.......interesting.

    any comments on this electrojolt?

    -----> Well, by using a .5 Hz Gating on a 5Khz pulsing, that means the circuit will be pulsing 5Khz for  1 second, and during that one second, there will be 2500 On pulses.

  22. outlawstc

    #22 ·

    haha that is right.. like i keep sayn signal 49axxx49n is the signal in the primary of the vic.. read this carefully and you will see my point..  lets say the variable are 6 volts analog and 10khz signal...  10khz is 10,000 hits in one second so a 50 percent duty would produce 5000 pulses in one second in 100 pulse gates meaning during 100 pulses 50 are on and 50 are off.. but those 100 pulse's that are 50 percent duty are considerd the waters resonance pulse and can be adjusted ..  so technicaly the water would be getting 100 step up pulses a second with 100 equal off times for the gate.........  there is a analog signal going into positve primary that is being gated out on the negative side.. so at 10khz and a 50 percent duty cycle i see the step up pulse having 50 on pulses and 50 of during 1 of the 50 cycles that are happening in 1 second... with that switching on and off and the analog inclining in same time frame your getting 50 on times and 50 off  during the off analog is still on and climbing so it explains where the multiplying frequency is coming from... with that analog climbing at a 45 degree time relative environment by the time off time switches back on the potentials pressure force has also climbed.. read around page 50 in the tech over and over again you will connect the dots.. look at the simple layout drawings for the circuits.. read the explanations of their jobs... it says word for word that positve (26) aka primary is recieving a variable amplitude analog pulse... and it also says the oppoosite side is conected to a fet for the frequency and they bother are on the some gate.. cant you see how theres 2 signals there?.. also one of the chokes are connected to the gated side of the primary as well.. it has somthing to do with superimposing the charge onto primary during gate off time? maybe helps with electron bounce or somthin?

  23. Donaldwfc

    #23 ·

    oh yea, i know the vic takes square waves, i'm just learning random things about diodes, reifications, gating and such...


    good explanation

  24. kinesisfilms

    #24 ·

    so if he is using a wave then the reason for gating would make sense...... i am seeing it as a 5 thousand cycles a second meanin one positive pulse and one negative pulse....(a cycle)......super imposing a half hertz gating signal will then create a 2500 UNIPOLAR pulses with a 50% duty cycle since the gating switches off on the negative half of the cycle....he uses the word discrete which means seperate so 2,500 seperate pulses.......interesting.

    any comments on this electrojolt?

    -----> Well, by using a .5 Hz Gating on a 5Khz pulsing, that means the circuit will be pulsing 5Khz for  1 second, and during that one second, there will be 2500 On pulses.


    alright so let me clear this up here.....so there are 5,000 cycles a second but the gating is half a cycle a second (let's say the negative half of the cycle) so there will be then 2,500 cycles in between every half cycle of nothing.

    so then if meyers is using pulses as input then there are 2,500 on pulses with 50 percent duty cycle for half of the cycle and the other half of the cycle is off.


    sooo:   _________2500 with 50% duty cycle_________2500 50% duty cycle_________2500 50% duty cycle

    and the above image would be 3 full cycles.

    and that is what is going into the primary....and that IS the gated cycle......i kept confusing myself with visualizing hertz although it is kilohertz.


    so my drawing is terribly confusing seeing that i simplfied it down to 3 hertz when in reality there are 15,000 cycles going on in that drawing.

  25. electrojolt

    #25 ·

    so if he is using a wave then the reason for gating would make sense...... i am seeing it as a 5 thousand cycles a second meanin one positive pulse and one negative pulse....(a cycle)......super imposing a half hertz gating signal will then create a 2500 UNIPOLAR pulses with a 50% duty cycle since the gating switches off on the negative half of the cycle....he uses the word discrete which means seperate so 2,500 seperate pulses.......interesting.

    any comments on this electrojolt?

    -----> Well, by using a .5 Hz Gating on a 5Khz pulsing, that means the circuit will be pulsing 5Khz for  1 second, and during that one second, there will be 2500 On pulses.


    alright so let me clear this up here.....so there are 5,000 cycles a second but the gating is half a cycle a second (let's say the negative half of the cycle) so there will be then 2,500 cycles in between every half cycle of nothing.

    so then if meyers is using pulses as input then there are 2,500 on pulses with 50 percent duty cycle for half of the cycle and the other half of the cycle is off.


    sooo:   _________2500 with 50% duty cycle_________2500 50% duty cycle_________2500 50% duty cycle

    and the above image would be 3 full cycles.

    and that is what is going into the primary.


    my drawing is terribly confusing seeing that i simplfied it down to 3 hertz when in reality there are 15,000 cycles going on in that drawing.

    Yes, I agree, that is what the Patent says.