Meyers may have pulsed with 2 transistors
Started by unknown · · 82 posts · last reply 15 June 2009
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I have heard of this , if this true .
That meyers was gating and pulsing with 2 transistors , one at the negative side of primary coil and one at positive side .
Somebody plz brg this up from the patent I I can maybe put a possible add-on for this , Its just a slight modification . -
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i have read stans tech explaining the signals going to the vic many times.. my clearest understanding up to today is that stans has the pwm operating from both sides of the primary... 1 transistor on the positve side of primary is gating a solid positve analog signal matching the duty cycle.. .. it is variable from 0-12 volt analog pulses(i think the varable is dependent on duty cycles pulse width).. then on the negative side of the primary its transistor is in sync with the analogs gating (duty cycle) and is gating digital signal with the frequency... stan says he can charge for 15 seconds and produce for 84 seconds on off put stage.. he calls the 94 secs a off put stage so i feel as if hes charging the transformer up and resonating during discharge with a frequency gating with analog side off to alow it to return to ground. its not electric that is seperating the water as much as it is physical force and timing.. people wounder why there isnt current across the cell, that is a simple answer..
it has to do with the laws of attraction and mutual inductance.. the charges building on the core build evenly so they have balance when charging like +500 and -500 is balanced in the chokes and will require more work to cross the water cell then to just capacitate in the vic.. but if you dont have matching coils then you can get a build up of like +500 and -700(caused by difenerent length chokes) and it will lead to a constant current in the cell negative flowing to positve...if it is +700 and -500 you still get negative flowing to postive but think of the forces involved the positve 700 is more like a vacuum to the negative thats where E.E.C. comes in, the other processes are stricly vibration energy.. being created by pulsating static fields and tuning to the vibration that throws the electrons furthest out of equalibrium like the pendium.. all about timing.. stans quote says a simple physical process.. we know the only thing physical(to move) water is static.. static is potenial built up in a material of either pos or neg potentials(skinn effect)... so i would say you are hitting water with somthin similar to a sound wave hitting water except that your physical vibration wave isnt due to a object of physical mater vibrating the water, but a vibration of static force physical/ atomicaly interacting with the water.... this is where i stand at the moment but you guys know me, my perspective are all over the place.. this one seems accurate to me. -
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This is not shown in the common vic diagram but it may be shown in the controll and driver circuits patent. I am trying to think of an advantage to manipulating both sides of the primary compared to just one, the only thing I can think of so far is to use some feedback from the vic circuit in the circuit that connects to the tail end of the primary, but I dono if that makes sence -
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somebody brging me proof of this from the papers.
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Well, if there is any circuitry on the secondary (I doubt there is other then the pumping diode due to the HV...not many solid states around that can handle it)
The advantage would be that the secondary swings both ways and a standard rectifier bridge would give out double frequency but at 1/2 the voltage because an AC oscillation's voltage is the difference between the + and -...and using both outputs would give a greater potential difference....with that being said I would like to point out the pumping diode again...and how the way Stan shows it...the BEMF can only go one way
...so, again I would probably have to say that attempting to modulate the output in any way is a waste of time...(you want the output to oscillate freely in most RLC circuit....this is a non linear resonance though...so it's a lil different)
Now, if he used both sides of a signal B4 the secondary is another matter...I have read many patents and some say different things...but, some ARE different things
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#6 ·
Dankie,
The only difference is that you can get a sinewave into your primairy coil, when you use a 2 transistor setup. That can work, if you have a 3 wire primairy.
http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/inverter.asp
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7123
I personally like the second one better.
Both circuits putting out a sinewave, which can be controlled in frequency.
The frequency range is limited by the propertys of the toroid.
Steveattachment_4223 attachment_4225 inverter.gif 20082582114_Inverter.png
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i posted the main points highlighted like a month ago, let me find them and i will repost here and show the main points that im trying to share.. the more times i read it the more clear it becomes.. but try to understand what creates signal 49axxx49n.. from what i gathered the way that the analog on positve side and the digital on the negative side interact with each other is what defines signal 49axxx49n -
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Those circuits are half-bridge and full bridge circuits. There is more info here:
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the main description,
Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60)
By integrating and joining together variable voltage amplitude control signal (318 xxx 32n) of
Figure (3-15) WITH variable controlled switch-gate (49a xxx 49n) of Figure (3-18) across primary coil
(26) of Figure (3-22), variable amplitude pulse-train (51a xxx 51n) of Figure (3-19) is
electromagnetically coupled (transformer action) TO secondary coil (52) of Figure (3-22) by way of
pulsing core (53) of Figure (3-23) as to Figure (3-22).
the negative side
Cell Driver Circuit (90)
In either case, the resultant or varied pulse train (47a xxx 47n) (calibration of 44a xxx 44n)
becomes incoming gated pulse signal (48) of figure (3-5) to cell driver circuit (90) of Figure (3-5)
which performs a switching function by switching "off' and "on" electric ground being applied to
opposite side (48) of primary coil (26) of Figure (3-19). The resultant pulse wave form (49a xxx 49n)
of Figure (3-18) superimposed onto primary coil (26) is exact duplicate of proportional pulse train (47a
xxx 47n). However, each pulse train (47) (49) are electrically isolated from each other. Only voltage
cross-over from regulated power supply (150) of Figure (3-6) to battery supply (28) occurs, as
illustrated in Figure (3-6).
the positive side,
Analog voltage signal (32a xxx 32n) of Figure (3-15) allows pulse train (51a xxx 51n) voltage
amplitude (VO xxx Vn) of Figure (3-19) to vary from one up to twelve volts
i have a feeling that the negative choke is being gated with or to the negative side of primary as well... and the negative side of the secondary is connected to isloated ground from primary not the choke i think... i see the chokes being able to induct the uprise of voltage due to the mutual induction of the core during the rise of secondaries from pulsing primary, but i do not see a clear signal being produced in the chokes.. so i see stan gating the negative excitor chokes charge.. by doing so i see a high negative excitor field trying to colapse to ground with restricted current due to frequency gating and stainless 430 fr resistance. in a sense you are coupling primary to secondary through the water... the positve plate is the secondary side and the negative is the primary.. by doing so i think you couple the signal to where your primary signal is matching your secondary with precision.. coupled by water.. the negative choke will still have the balanced opposite potential due to mutual inductance of the bifilar wind.
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#11 ·
Thats some good research you did outlaw .
Thx .
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#12 ·
thanks, this project is driving me crazy lol.. this quote says it all
" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"
on another note lets switch our relativity to super slow motion for a second.. 1 full analog pulse could vary from 0-12 volts.. it is not a square wave, it is climbing in time startin at 0 and up to 12.. then it drops like a square wave.. now what happens when primarys negative side connection to ground is being gated... you have a interation of solid incoming positve analog signal being switched on and off on the neg side.. this all is happening in time and in sync.. so if the analog if solid and its getting switched in a on and off manner on the other side of the primary.. what is going on, on the core when the ground is off but the analogs still climbing while thats happening.. could that 50 percent off put time of the frequency be the frequency double? when the gate turns ground back on??? -
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Dankie,
The first circuit looks like a VCO:
The only difference is that you can get a sinewave into your primairy coil, when you use a 2 transistor setup. That can work, if you have a 3 wire primairy.
http://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/inverter.asp
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7123
I personally like the second one better.
Both circuits putting out a sinewave, which can be controlled in frequency.
The frequency range is limited by the propertys of the toroid.
Steve
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thanks, this project is driving me crazy lol.. this quote says it all
" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"
on another note lets switch our relativity to super slow motion for a second.. 1 full analog pulse could vary from 0-12 volts.. it is not a square wave, it is climbing in time startin at 0 and up to 12.. then it drops like a square wave.. now what happens when primarys negative side connection to ground is being gated... you have a interation of solid incoming positve analog signal being switched on and off on the neg side.. this all is happening in time and in sync.. so if the analog if solid and its getting switched in a on and off manner on the other side of the primary.. what is going on, on the core when the ground is off but the analogs still climbing while thats happening.. could that 50 percent off put time of the frequency be the frequency double? when the gate turns ground back on???
" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"
Well, he also said: Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition......
Both sentenses doesn't make any sense, do they....
Hope some body can explain what here really meant.
Steve
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Quote" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"
Well, he also said: Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition......
Both sentenses doesn't make any sense, do they....
Hope some body can explain what here really meant.
they make perfect sense when you understand force.
lets start with "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition"
to praise- the offering of grateful homage in words or song, as an act of worship: a hymn of praise to God.
god is knowlege..lifes a war of balance evil uses bullets for ammunition.. the wise (gods people) use words of wisdom and great knowlege for there ammunition.. its the difference in harmonic and non harmonic.. god is harmonic
so he means to fight evil with knowlege as your weapon..
now for the other one
" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"
the three main words of interest- opposite electrical voltage (potential), sequential mode, and physical process..
we know what opposite potential is and how to create it right? ok we know this and we know stan made the plates hold a static charge giving a skin effect. but some reason people cant get away from amps.. amps are a chemical process when the electrons are flowing through the water and into the circuit.. you will get energy loss due to heat and friction in the water from overkill electron flow..
imagine the vibrations of a speacker, stan used audio range waves between 0-20khz up to and beyond 40kv in some cases with under 1 amp of current across water. so you know a subwoorfer can cause a physical impact with your body from a distance (feel the vibrations).. well what about static fields being pulsed in a audio range.. static can create a physical force on water without touch from a distance, but the best part is static potentials interaction is a little different then traveling wave of oscillating object such as a speaker that creates a wave from the force of movement of the specker cone... static voltage interacts atomicaly.. the positve creates a pull on electrons, while the negative creates a pull on the proton..
now what stan means by sequential mode is not totaly clear to me yet.. i know timing is everything .. the sequential mode to me means either 2 things
1. he could be switch the excitor plates on and off at different and same time in a pattern...(*note* by doing so would not classify it as alternating current since switching them on and off doesnt involve flopping the polarity to do so.)
2 or he just uses it to describe his step up pulse and hitting both excitors at the same time, not alternating their on and off to differ from each other.. and he refers to that pulse as a sequene since its happening in repition
he says a simple physical process because hes drumming the cell with static force, not a moving force like the physical moving object speaker to send wave...
hope this help..
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Outlaw,
Let me tell you what i undertstand when i read all this.
opposite electrical voltage = not the same electrical voltage or potential difference
Example: +12V opposite=-12V
But only against a common electrode or ground, so to speak.
Sequential mode: = shifting between one and another. In this case: first you pulse +12V and then -12V against a common ground.
So how in practice? Use 3 plates, or 3 tubes. The electrode in the middle should be the common.
What would be the effect of such a setup on water? Well, in my theory, you still have current running, so it stays electrolysis.
If sequential mode means that both the +12V and -12V are powerd on and off with help of a timer, then what do we get?
Do we not have 24V across the outer plates? Still current running? Still electrolysis?
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steve,
these are good questions and a good way of uniting the simpleest view of whats going on..Quoteopposite electrical voltage = not the same electrical voltage or potential difference
Example: +12V opposite=-12V
But only against a common electrode or ground, so to speak.
Sequential mode: = shifting between one and another. In this case: first you pulse +12V and then -12V against a common ground.
So how in practice? Use 3 plates, or 3 tubes. The electrode in the middle should be the common.
What would be the effect of such a setup on water? Well, in my theory, you still have current running, so it stays electrolysis.
If sequential mode means that both the +12V and -12V are powerd on and off with help of a timer, then what do we get?
Do we not have 24V across the outer plates? Still current running? Still electrolysis?
there are only 2 tubes in stans set up and it would be complicating to jump to 3 at the moment but it does sound interesting..
sequential mode= shifting between one another.. i like that thought but i think it is a little more complicated then 1,2,1,2,1,2 (1=pos and 2=neg shift) i think its 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 (1= pos, 2= both, and 3= neg) since that sequence starts on one and end on three then repeats, it keeps sending a unipolar pulse.. think of each step... step one positve on= pull on electrons push on proton... step 2 both= stability pulse to the protons? step 3 negative on= a deflection of electron and pull on the proton.. its either 1,2,1,2,1,2 or the 1,2,3,1,2,3
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i think it may be the 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 becasue the alternator could use its 3 seperate phases to create that effect.. like phase one you would leave the negative choke disconected from the cell, phase 2 both chokes conected, and 3 just the neg conected.. the alternator is geometricaly configured to have 120degee out peaks.. so by coneecting it like that you can hit 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3..
there is no current because of the transformer design.. it is a transformer
if its not them then it could as well be both,both,both,both.. that sounds way simple to replicate with vic 6-1, or it may need 3 to do the job and have their primarys hit in sync...
the key to restricting current is the transformer.. it does 2 jobs capacitor and step up in voltage.. the slots between the pancakes is where the charge is being held, not in the water... when it is charging up you are for one using a low signal to help in not creating amps.. he relys on step up to get it from the low input (leverage) since the chokes are the same length and are right next to each other, when the charge is building the electrons dont leave the core, they are just being manifested into the negative side of the secondary.. opposite potential build on the same core (+ and - choke) will stay on the choke as long as they build in sync... when they separate they have a magntic attraction to each other while there separating on the core.. like a north and south pole sitting next to each other they are pulling on each other.. them pulling on the core in balance makes it more work for the electrons to cross the water so now you create the skin effect on the + and - ... so buy chargeing up, then gating the charge back to ground you are allowing that skinn effect to produce a oscillation in the cell... like a speaker hitting air, but its voltage hitting water. -
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Well, Outlaw,
I like to keep it simple and practicle.
I like to discus this with you.
At the end you talk about a charge in the chokes/coils transformer. Well, what happens when the power is off? What happens to the charge in those nice coils?
Accoording to the knowledge i have, you will have a discharge. That discharge will happen very quick. Meaning: lots of amps in a short periode. With a bifcoil you can slow the discharge, but it will happen....
Maybe we should look at things as they are. If you see the drawing of Stans alternator schematic, you see he uses 1 with and 1 without chokes. The only reason to use chokes is to reduce current, as Stan said. Why you think he needed that?
Well, from my tests, i can tell you that if you have a very large wfc with tubes in parallel, your totall resistance will be very very low.
Like 0.1ohm. What happens with yr alternator? Well, the cell pulls so massive amps that the alternator will smoke up.
To control and to be able to have a big wfc, he added some chokes, to keep amps under control.
I know. I tried. I proved it.
Steve
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what would happen to the lower transitor ?
Blow up ?attachment_4230 2transistor.JPG
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#20 ·
This guy called Dr. Koontz was on coast to coast on 6/6/09. He shared some insight into Stan's work. The Keyword is SCALAR RESONANCE.
The WFC unit has a scalar resonance freq. of 6k.
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QuoteAccoording to the knowledge i have, you will have a discharge. That discharge will happen very quick. Meaning: lots of amps in a short periode. With a bifcoil you can slow the discharge, but it will happen..
if this is true then why would stan state on video that with a 15 second on put time he could continue to produce gas for 94 seconds during what he called off put time...
how is a capacitor made? with a dielectic between parellel conductors right? ..QuoteAt the end you talk about a charge in the chokes/coils transformer. Well, what happens when the power is off? What happens to the charge in those nice coils?
i think during the 94 second off put time he is still gating negative side of the primary where the negative choke is also conected (not to secondary) and he is using common ground to dicharge the transformer in a gated manner.. so you are still drumming the water even when powers off. then when it needs to charge up again the postive side of primary turns back on. and adds the analog pulse.. analog is the variable amplitude..
think really hard on this senario.. the choke wire, lets say both are exactly 500 ft.. now think of that wire not as a line/string but pretend you are the size of a flea standing next to 26awg.. the fleas perspective in a size to size ratio.. the wire is like 3 foot tall and 5 miles long....to the flea that wire has great volume... what if that wire was a air tank and wasnt solid? to the flea that tank can hold alot of volume under preasure.. so if we can except that wire has volume like a air tank you start to see potentials a little diff..
now what if one tank (wire) is a little longer (bigger) then the other? ask your self what happens to 2 air tanks if one is bigger then the other? well the bigger tank will require more air then the other to have the same pressure.. you could have the 2 air tanks (wire) hooked to 2 different pumps (emf) of the same force the smaller tank will peak quicker then the bigger tank (wire) thats why they are of same length but there is still more to it for understanding why the charge stays on the core and not in the water..
now why does it.. well think of the 2 tanks again.. these tanks are wound side by side.. the positve having a diode is pulling electrons out and sending/manifesting/ deflecting them into the secondary... so the chokes charge is pos potential (vaccum/ positive polarity)
the negative choke potential (pressure negative polarity) since the 2 wire are the same length they will charge at a even pace.. the negative is charging it self through ground, ,and is pulling electrons in.. the rising polarity of positive is causing negative to induct the charge into itself.. when it is charged (the transformer not the cell) the charge does not leave because the 2 wires are the same length, they are sitting right next to each other and have opposite charges in them.. that are happy on the core,... so what happens if you introduce the neg choke to a gated ground? will it oscillate and discharge slowly drumming the cell with voltage?
im not saying im right on this but i feel like im close
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your link is busted yaro , I'd like to listen to this plz.
This is important , somebody get that audio . -
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Thats just some buzz aldrin crap -
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QuoteAccoording to the knowledge i have, you will have a discharge. That discharge will happen very quick. Meaning: lots of amps in a short periode. With a bifcoil you can slow the discharge, but it will happen..
if this is true then why would stan state on video that with a 15 second on put time he could continue to produce gas for 94 seconds during what he called off put time...
how is a capacitor made? with a dielectic between parellel conductors right? ..QuoteAt the end you talk about a charge in the chokes/coils transformer. Well, what happens when the power is off? What happens to the charge in those nice coils?
i think during the 94 second off put time he is still gating negative side of the primary where the negative choke is also conected (not to secondary) and he is using common ground to dicharge the transformer in a gated manner.. so you are still drumming the water even when powers off. then when it needs to charge up again the postive side of primary turns back on. and adds the analog pulse.. analog is the variable amplitude..
think really hard on this senario.. the choke wire, lets say both are exactly 500 ft.. now think of that wire not as a line/string but pretend you are the size of a flea standing next to 26awg.. the fleas perspective in a size to size ratio.. the wire is like 3 foot tall and 5 miles long....to the flea that wire has great volume... what if that wire was a air tank and wasnt solid? to the flea that tank can hold alot of volume under preasure.. so if we can except that wire has volume like a air tank you start to see potentials a little diff..
now what if one tank (wire) is a little longer (bigger) then the other? ask your self what happens to 2 air tanks if one is bigger then the other? well the bigger tank will require more air then the other to have the same pressure.. you could have the 2 air tanks (wire) hooked to 2 different pumps (emf) of the same force the smaller tank will peak quicker then the bigger tank (wire) thats why they are of same length but there is still more to it for understanding why the charge stays on the core and not in the water..
now why does it.. well think of the 2 tanks again.. these tanks are wound side by side.. the positve having a diode is pulling electrons out and sending/manifesting/ deflecting them into the secondary... so the chokes charge is pos potential (vaccum/ positive polarity)
the negative choke potential (pressure negative polarity) since the 2 wire are the same length they will charge at a even pace.. the negative is charging it self through ground, ,and is pulling electrons in.. the rising polarity of positive is causing negative to induct the charge into itself.. when it is charged (the transformer not the cell) the charge does not leave because the 2 wires are the same length, they are sitting right next to each other and have opposite charges in them.. that are happy on the core,... so what happens if you introduce the neg choke to a gated ground? will it oscillate and discharge slowly drumming the cell with voltage?
im not saying im right on this but i feel like im close
stans drawing i think can be missleading.. to simple..
I do not have all the answers, Outlaw,
But have you watched a wfc and see what happend when you take the power from it? Indead, it keeps on going producing for a long time. Maybe that is the fenomenon Stan is talking about.
Your theory about a battery like coil, is a nice one. But in practice, i do not think it will work. The discharge is so quick. Not sure if you can regulate that. Not sure if there are components who can do that either.
And what will be the gain? You need time to charge the battery like coil and that costs time and amps. Then you lease it slowly as you can. Still it will be electrolysis. So, no gain here. No new technology.
Maybe you win some by result of better impedance matching.
I dont want to sound negative here, but i do want you guys to keep your head out of the clouds. Its hard. This hobby is tough.
Maybe we must start to think about which effects we wanna see. What the results must be. Maybe then, we create a technology that fits well.
Do we hunt a mans idea that voltage is doing work? No amps? Well, Stan stated himself that we do need amps. The testreport mentions 40 amps on the wfc.
Unless somebody seen something special happening with HV, then he is the man/women. I didnt see anything special. More heat, yes. More sparks, yes. But no ringing molecules, or impressive production.
The only thing i found, is that you can play with hydrogen molecules and activate them. That has been proven.
So, it more likely that Stan used simple electrolysis in a most efficient way. Then fouled around with the gas and then put it in the engine.
All the lies about 1700% more effiency is crap. That was stated by dummys who were looking at a system and didnt understand what they seen.
It was the alternator setup. As you can see on nthe schematics os Stan, he has put the ampmeter and the voltmeter on the rotor.
Result: 5V and 1 or 2 amps.
Gasproduction thru the roof!!!!!!!WOWOWOWOWOW
BUT: they forget the powerconsumption of the drivermotor of at least 1hp. aka 750watts.
Well, we all know by know that many of us make the same results with 750watts. At least i do.
The injector on Stans car is not injecting water. Its injecting HHO.
And that HHO was produced in a wfc with plates and no tubes. Stan only showed the tubes as example for the patent office. I know. I seen the buggy idle video. He used his testcell there as well.
I think we need people who can run an engine on a WFC and then go from there. My advise: go built a nice platecell. Get an engine running and then develope a gasprocessor and injectors.
Thats my opion on how Stan made his bug running.
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