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Steve

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I have just confirmed a earlier observation the iron primary induces over x2 more current than the same size copper primary. This has not been tested on a normal transformer just my vic with loose wound primary (leaky). I am not expecting much in replys so i will just say this, if you build a vic or anything based on technology like the 8xa circuit out of all copper you are wasteing your time, 4 years of building stuff that don`t work or of little use proves it.
 
Resonance has been a source of confusion with meyers patents. I have identifyed alterations in his patents and the use of resonance has been referred to in a number of places it should not be.
The resonance talked of in meyers wfc for example refers to the freedom of movement of hydroxyl ions in water that needs to be tuned into for high gas yield, this comes from a independent evaluation of meyers wfc. http://www.scribd.com/doc/36927148/WFCexpl
 
So much mis-information about meyers technology for so many years has left people not knowing what they are doing.

Hi Spintronic,

Welcome here at ionizationx  :)
I can follow what your are explaining here.
Is it possible that you publish some pictures of your iron wire tests? Maybe scope-shots?
Would help others a lot with getting an idea on what you are researching.

One question from me is about your statement to tune into the hydroxyl ion.
First, my idea was that in such setup, to tune into the H+ ion and not the HO ion.
Maybe you can explain why you choose the HO ion?


Steve



Artinvegas

#5 ·

I have been chatting with Artinvegas on that group lately. He recently mentioned that in one of the water fuel injection setups of Stan Meyer the exhuast gasses were circulated through the gas processor....And once I thought about this it made perfect sense...
 
In the Tech Brief Stan explains that when the water is disassociated and burned it returns to water with a lower form of energy. The water can then absorb photon energy to be re-energized for re-use....
 
From what Art said I believe that when the exhaust gasses are circulated through the GP the GP performs the following:
-Re-energizes the molecules by way of photon absorption
-Disassociates the molecules
-Ionizes the atoms using the EEC
 
Art explained this in one of his posts....He said that the gasses were mixed in the GP then went through the intake and into the cylinders where the water mist from the water fuel injectors was then added to accelerate the combustion (Still done understand this as he also said that the injectors disassociated the water)....He also stated that Stan added a small amount of ammonia to the water to ensure enough nitrogen was present to reduce the combustion speed.
 
 
Just some interesting info I thought you all might like to know.
 
Here's the link http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/meyer_wfc_replication/



Thank you for the update!
Hi Bubz,

Maybe its even more simple then we think.
If you have a HHO flame and put it against metal, then you will notice a very high temperature.
So high, that even Steel turns into liquid in no time.
So, the reaction in and around a sparkplug would be similar, i suppose....


Artinvegas

#3 ·

Here:

 meyer_wfc_replication@yahoogroups.com

Artinvegas

#1 ·

Look what Art wrote.
Pretty interesting stuff he has:


I recently posted this info in one of the other groups:
Add some water mist to the geet process and you will be pleasantly surprised at the loss of smoke. Also helps if you increase the plasmic intensity by replacing the glow plugs with injecter plugs @45kv or higher. You can get a 60kv coil from summit racing at www.summitracing.com for 28.00usd(aprox.7.00 shipping usa). Pulsing the ignition helps too,giving the cap more time to charge more efficiently.
Making your own injector plugs are pretty straight forward. Get some 3/4" 304 stainless hex rod stock from online metals in oregon.(about 4" for each plug)have a machine shop shave the last two inchs toward the engine end and thread it standard thread size for your vehicle. Drill a 3/8" hole in the end .(I drilled a 3/8" hole first(in the engine side),then drilled the 1/2" one from the outside end inwards)I have use of a milling drilling lathe machine which allows
precise control over the whole end milling and drilling operations. On one of the flats, drill and tap for a 1/8"npt port to inject your vapor gasses thru.
You can get an appropiate solenoid thru any distributor of IMPCO. I got CNG valves for about 8 bucks each. They also sell mixers for combining different gas types and regulators for tanked gases(like hydrogen)too. For the electrode, use thoriated tungsten(SM used 304 stainless) elements that are easy to find on EBAY (for TIG welding
apps)for about 11.00 perpack of 8. The combo of the tungsten and stainless will last alot longer than copper and potmetal in most plugs on the market..
For the insulator, I used a machineable ceramic called MACOR(as Stan did) or you can come up with something on your own, as long as it is temperature and impact compatible. Macor cost me 86 bucks a foot for 1/2" rod stock.(pretty expensive)There are alternatives if you want to cast the insert/insulator element. You could use the same material used in furnaces and heater units to hold the inductor elements in place. It comes in powder form and can be reasonably purchased for 20-30$/20lb sack. I shaped the inserts (on a
lathe),drilled them to fit the electrode, then capped it with s/s ,threaded to fit the outside end of the injector with a viton o-ring to compress the insert into the housing and seal it. The electrode protrudes thru the cap where it hooks up to 9mm spark wire which I sleeved with 3/8" clear silicone tubing to increase isolation. When shaping the insert, leave appropiate space for the
vapor to travel the length of the injector housing(roughly .05"
internally).(overall,.10" inside) Install the injector into an anti fouler shell to serve as a preburner to the combustion chamber...
Vaporize the water(use RO filtered water,not tapwater)and mix it with the geet vapor mixture. I used misters from arizona mister available thru Home Depot. I used 8 of them in a small chamber to supply enough for a diesel v-8. I used a chevy intank fuel pump to run 60psi to the water injection system. I used 4 6" 12vdc brushless muffin fans bolted inline to create a forced induction system for the intake and connected the injector intake to the water/geet mix system . Most diesel engines have a shorter intake time than do gas aspirated
ones. The added pressure (or lack of vacuam)makes more fuel available in a shorter duration. The controller is the most important peice of the puzzle and there is not enough space here to provide that information. I will try to make a pdf and download that to the files section, but it will take some time as I am currently exploring other business priorities.
This is modified from original drawings and theory from Stan Meyer from the his logbooks I bought. I have several volumes of SM books and labnotes,all original including his whole archive of books he published,diagrams of units with detailed specs for everything he produced. I even have the original reciepts for the red leds he ordered from a Radio Shack in columbus. These are not available to the "owners " of the SM estate. These are personal labnotes that Stan shared with John Prendeville, who was instrumental in getting Stans work studied and reported on in Dublin and the UK. He connected Stan to the admiral and connected him to arthur Clarke for the special he did on his show on the BBC. John produced the injectors you see in the Meyers estate photos,both sets of 2 types. one shorter than the other. These are not the ones shown in the colorado video.
I purchased the archive recently, after studying it for over 4 years and replicating Stans gas processor and the injectors,the cells and making modifications as neccessary. All of what Stan designed with the electronics and hardware I converted to use with microcontrollers and present day smt. With the cells,I produced over 60 litres/min to run a sand rail (1650cc 80hp engine)on hydroxl.
I am currently designing and manufacturing my own design engine called a Rotary Radial Turbine,to be utilised in a Micro-chp unit. This new engine design will use steam and recirculate the steam over and over, getting up to 1000 hrs of operation on 1 gallon of RO water.
It creates a charge pump inspired by Stans use of the gas processor and injector combo.

...artinvegas..
Hey lads interesting thread.
Does anyone know if Stan had success in running an engine using the water injector?
For practical purposes of actually making an injector/ plug what would be a suggested drawing to work from?

thanks :)

Many people many opinions.
I personnally think he did ran with water injectors.
He had put in soo much effort. Made many proto's.
People close to Stan confirmed this.
Others standing further from him, deny.

Another thing: Stan presented that injector on seminars. You just do not such things if you havent anything working, in my opinion. So many people......and then presenting a hoax? I dont think so....

Steve

Stan was using the steam resonater on the buggy, maybe it had a bigger purpose then to keep the water from freezing during the winter. Has anyone tryed hot water in their cell? I tryed in mine and didn't have any luck, but I don't really expect anything from my current set up

Dave,

i have tested warm water into details.....
At about 73 degrees celcius, you will notice the best electrolysis you ever seen....
Of course you also create some steam. But if you use one or two bublers, you can filter the hho and steam pretty good. Btw, if you run an engine, a little bit of steam is not so bad either.

Steve
I am happy to read that i am not the only person with the same mindwaves... :)

You all made good suggestions.
I ll go with Mina's theory in this case.
It must have been something out of side...

I have attached a picture made by Dynodon. He published that picture on this forum earlier this year.
Have a look inside the wfc of Meyer.
Ever asked yourself why he made that strange "cup" at the bottum?
I suspect that there was a special module in the middle...
Agree?

Steve
 
high voltage accelerates electroysis because with more volts your force in more amps.
If you want to see peoples finding look under their project sections.

Thanks Dave.

I observed my reactor by applying different voltages and amperages. At a fixed amperage and different voltages, the one with the higher voltage has more aggressive gas production. I don't think it's just about forcing the amps. Just my opinion. Water's dielectric breakdown is about voltage not amps.

I looked at the different projects and have found some interesting ones but most of them are about Meyer's work. I only agree on Meyer's high voltage and VIC which is similar to MOT with current limiter.

The Meyer setup is about using no amps....
Your observation about pulling in more amps because of high voltage is correct, like Dave said.
The watermolecule allign better with high volts.
Stans idea was to stop amps and to create high voltage fields. Atoms react on voltage.
Covalent bondings are reacting on voltage.

About the shapes and forms of electrodes, i can tell you that for normal electrolysis, a drycell works best.
In wet conditions, a tube works better then a plate. Stan wrote about that. I have seen it and many others too.
Copper is a better conductor and might be used for one electrode in comby with a SS one.
But again, thats all basic electrolysis.

Aiming for a non additive system in comby with high voltage is the holy grale and the best way to get into that is doing up a lot of reading of Meyers patents.
They are all here in the Meyer chapters.

Steve

WFC VIC

#376 ·

In the Meyer decription on how the the whole VIC circuit is working (meaning, the transformer + chokes + watercapacitor) Meyer stated two things wich are a little bit of a contradiction.
First, he states that when the circuit is in resonance, voltage acros watercap is higher then output of transformer, secondly that voltage across choke is higher then output of transformer and as last comment that VT is higher then output of transformer.

A Simple calculation of U=I*R can tell you that HV across the watercap is simple BS.

So only VT is left...... Creating a HV zone on one side of the watercap and a HV zone across the negative side.
If you use a Bifilar winded choke, then at the right timing, meaning at resonance of the LC of the choke and with a little R from the cell, you will notice HV of VT.
(VT = 1 choke plus cell = L+C, accoording to Meyer.) C = electrode. Not the dielectric of the water, because Meyer states that that acts as R)

regards
Steve
Hi Fuzzy,

yes, you are right. That forum is available.And it is a fine forum.
Their focus is on basic electrolysis.
I followed the development of the nickelbased cells some months ago on that forum.
Good stuff.

There is also the secret forum from Ironhead.
But they do not let anybody in.

Best regards
Steve

Resonant cavity

#7 ·

The negative tube is not a tube but a solid rod with the top and bottom drilled part way.It is solid in the center.water can't pass through the ceter.
Don

Ok!
Thanks Don.
There goes my theory.... ;D
Interesting choice of Meyer to use a solid rod.
It does however explain the strange shape....




Resonant cavity

#3 ·

Hi folks,


Here another mindfart on the resonance system of Meyer.
Have a look at at the picture of his tubeset Stanley used.
Why is it build with such a strange cut at the bottum and top?

My 1 cent on this is simple.
A small tubeset creates a milkey water filled with HHO.
Because the base state is water and HHO is a gassious state, you will get gas pressure.
1800 to 1 ratio, if i am correct.
We all seen the streams of HHO coming out of a set of tubes.

Did you people ever played a flute?
How does such a musicinstrument works?
Have you seen the mouth piece of such instruments?

Now go back to Stans tubes......
Any similarities?

Add the Meyer waveform in this mind set.
Its made with a downtime, to get the water back in his tubeset......

So, he build a flute with a thiny inlet at the bottum so pressure must go out at the top.
When all water has gone, he must stop the power to the tubes and let the water back in.
Power on at sertain frequency and the tubes act back as flutes, resonate at certain frequency and so on...

What are you people thoughts on this?

Steve

Gated Frequency Generator

#37 ·

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the gating is applying these current restricted voltage pulses to the cell at a frequency to match the water movement between the plates

Donald you just said the magic words right there.
 
This is how Stan does it.
First we find LC Resonance with the PLL to lock onto and hold.This creates the high voltage that Stan talks about that is needed.
Then we take the high voltage and use the gating frequency to tune into the WATERS MECHANICAL RESONANCE !!!
The Gating Frequency is used to tune into the water that is between the tubes and make it resonate !!!
We are turning on and off the high voltage with the gating frequency to match the waters resonance between the tubes.
This is the mechanical resonance of the water,not LC resonance !!
Then we can use the duty cycle on the gating to control the gas production.
 
Once the mechanical resonance is set,you shouldn't need to change the frequency of the gating signal.It won't change once found.
 
Can we all see it now?
 
It's that simple and Stan has that in his papers.
Don


Thanks Don!

Have you seen any signs yet that indicates that mechanical resonance you are talking about?

Steve

Gated Frequency Generator

#36 ·

Well - I am very glad to point out - that it is not as easy as what most people are now just thinking - whilst they read this lot of stuff.
It certainly will not be as simple as that.
There is actually - still quite a lot of things that have to be done - that are very subtle - and well - we will see - what I am saying - when folks tries it out.
Thanks ha ha ha.

you are more then welcome to try yourself, Cardac....
With more active people, the sooner we will have results.

Steve
Can someone tell me what happens in this video?
 The guy produces a current of about 1 volt DC with a HHO torch (flame log onto a piece of stainless steel).

 A process of generating power ... Is it possible to retrieve the current through the torch?
link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/hhoball#p/u/25/uumlEhqb0-8

This is not me. But it is very interesting as a result!

Any idea ... answer ... Go!

Nice find!
Heat,infrared.....all releases electrons from metal.
Maybe thats whatyou see here..

Steve