Steve

Well, it seemed to me not ac anymore when you ground one side.
In my simulations, i see a change on the secondairy side.
I use a resistor and cap as cell in parallel.


Steve

Nice....
Finally some research into the sphere cell. 

Steve

With thanks to Jim Miller:
 
Download the Parts Spread Sheet. Add your partnumbers, sources, and comments to the spread sheet. Attach it to your reply here
Then others will be able to learn from your experience.
 
This thread is for the Demonstration Unit by Stanley Meyers
as shown in his videos( see the video page at this site) and page 28 of the IITER. If it is for
another configuration just identify it as so when you upload. In that way the measurements won't get intertwined.
Jim Miller
 
 

Stan Meyer talked often that his system worked, because of his effort in bringing the atoms of his HHO gas into an unstable state. As far as i understand it, you need less unstable gas as when you need stable gas in the burning proces, because of the energy state of unstable gas.
 
I just read that exitation into higher energy levels can be achieved by adding heat.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aangeslagen_toestand
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state
 
I know that the first link is in dutch, but go have a look on the pictures.
They look like Stans exitation pictures..........
 
When the atom receives enough energy, the electrons will cease to be bound and the atom becomes IONISED.......
 
Ionizing can be achieved by adding photons (light), high voltage and so it seems, also by use of heat.
That last option is new for me.
And made me think.
Which gas produces to highest temp on metal? Yes, HHO gas.
Who showed many times a flame as construction for making non combustable gasses?
Yes, Stan the man.
Who said that the USA where not happy Stan filing his patents AFTER they understood all patents together?
 
Did Stan Meyer just made HHO with electrolysis and then ionised the Hydrogen and oxygen gasses with help of heat?
To keep the gasses into that exited state he added ionised ambient air in the proces?
And to keep those gasses as long as possible into that excited state, didnt he uses a system to pull the released electrons away from the gasses?
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

(http://www.ionizationx.com/file:///C:/Users/Alen/Desktop/Phase%20lock%20included.png)Ran across a circuit fro(http://www.autismpedia.org/wiki/images/0/03/Cramton_circuit.png)m a fellow named Cramton. I includes the PLL circuit

looks like a proper pll circuit to me!
Thanks for posting

Steve

Hi Jim,

Have you ever visit this page?

http://www.ionizationx.com/video.php

Steve

I think nobody got sofar in testing.
Something to think about:
Meyer ionized the ambient air and mixed that with the hho.
Its pretty much to believe that the real gas in the cylinder made a change to ammonia.
Engines run on ammonia and many studys are done on that.
I havent read any negative on the mechanical site of that.
However, we must keep an open mind on possible modifications needed.
But that isnt a real issue, ill guess.

steve

Yes, that must be the case there.
Simple add some petrol that way and startup the engine.

aha, amps and volts 180 degree out of phase...

friend,
you do not change the timing to get implosion, you instead change the gas so it does implode then you change the timing so it will implode in the engine.

meyer talked of implosion, joecell gas implodes and geet gas can implode.

Charlie.

Charlie,

After running multiple engines on HHO i can inform you that HHO is an exploding gas.
The funny thing with burning HHO is that the leftover product is h2o.
What you see is that the gasius state of HHO returns to a liquid h2o state.
That last part reacts as implosion.

So, first explosion, followed by implosion..

regards
Steve

whoa wait a minute, that 1.9 uH, not 1.9 H, i am way off, what's going on here? *thinking brb*

... it's 97 mH without the core, any ideas?

1.95 H and 130 uF will resonate at 10 Hz, could 10 Hz be the gate frequency, while 10,000 Hz is the pulse frequency? in the patent he says 0.5 Hz gate frequency for that vic which sounds like an extremely low gate freq


say my vic has 6 H (2 from each choke and the secondary) then the inductive reactance at 10,000 Hz is

XL = 2piFL
                                                        = 2  x  3.141592653  x  10  kHz  x  6  H
                                                        = 4E+05 ohms                           (to 1 significant digit)
                                                        = 376,991 ohms                          

thats pretty huge, to restrict amps


http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Plate-Capacitor-Calculator.phtml
measured the cell without water, so just air, and it is 25 picoF
also, calculated with air, it is 25 picoF

calculated with dielectric constant of 80 gives 2100 picoF or 2 nF

to get a calculated 130 uF, it requires a dielectric constant of 5 million

so clearly there is a difference here some how

2 nF and 10kHz gives 126 mH for res

does anyone else have some measurements and calculations to compare?

assuming 2nF is in the right ballpark, and 2000 turns of 30 gage is in the right ballpark, and i get 97 mH without a core, and Stans core was tiny, then maybe my core provides too much increase in inductance, and with a smaller core i might be closer to the 126 mH value compared to 97 mH with air-core

so maybe, the numbers work, it's just knowing which numbers to work with

My 2 cents..
Use different meters and you will notice different readings.
I also had readings like uF, but during my tests i concluded that that could not be the truth.
Basically, i use for easy calculation a 1 till 10nF for one single Meyer tube.

Steve

Brian,

Not sure where all this comes from.....
You have been out for a long time. Did you build any new things that really worked in that periode?

Steve

Well I am far enough along to know what I am seeing, as I have it in front of me.

The SS will charge up and hold a charge, aligning the water molecules   between them. (without the circuit attached)  I have had in upwards of   6v difference between the tubes after its shut off, 2v after 24hrs.  The higher the water charges up, the higher the potential between the tubes is. At a ratio of course. He says they hold enough of their charge during gating (T3) to keep the cell from discharging. That means the tubes maintain the charge at full rate during that time.
 
  The 304 Stainless tubes do this because pulsing brings on atomic   particle alignment in the metal. Positives on outside, negatives on the   inside, depending on which tube it is.  (it forms its own anode and cathode on each tube)

No current, no chemicals.  Its electrostatic.

The tubes stay Clean. No white stuff, since there is no current.


 

Does the gasproduction continue on the same level as with strait dc, Hardkrome?
With strait dc, i also see lots a charge in the water.
With my drycell, i can light a bulb on it after shutting down the power, but gasproduction really is half, when pulsing a 50% squarewave....

steve

Very impressive XLS!

We need a lot of time to consume this one...

Question:

Did anybody seen anything about making the surface shine like a mirror on these FF tubes?

Steve

I tried to tell you guys before that this is the real deal but I was butchered.  I have been studying this HHO approach ever since which is why I had to temporarily abandon my own project here.  It’s the bird in the hand reasoning/logic.
 
I am lacking certain details to complete my prototype “6” series replication which is why I can not offer or announce a successful replication at this time.
 
“...and the truth shall set you free.”

What kind of details are you missing, Mina?
Lets see if we can replicate this FF setup.

Steve

Hi Komtek,

I calculated the amount of gas produced in his truck video and that was not more then 2 ltr a minute. You just cannot run such a big engine on that.

The last video of the adam tube looks great!
I would suggest that we try to replicate that it.
Should not be so difficult.

About the man, well, i havent met him so i only judge him on his video behaviour.

Stan learned a lot of that spherical cavity...

I ll keep my eye on this.

Hi Argus,

Thats a good start!
Just build it and see what it will bring. Then go from there...

Steve

Hi steve


I 'm thinking about using a flyback topology because it can perform that task that i thought about storing the energy in the gap and than discharge it all in once giving high voltage low current without relation to the turns... It is more related with the duty cycle and speed of the rectifier.. 


in sequence this pulse must be able to induce resonance of the water cavity thus being able to extract the energy from water and being able to accumulate it in the resonant coil somehow...


I'm thinking for example in accumulating maybe 1mW during 1ms in the core than discharge in 1 ns thus having a 1000w discharge




I learned something very important this days


inductor opposes the flow of current by giving to it a kind of inertia (mass), so the current is accelerated inside the coil due to the voltage force(thus if voltage applied is constant during the period in witch it is applied, this current "speed" or flow will raise linearly) like a ramp wave up to the last peak that is just before voltage is turned off... this inertia ( weight or magnetic field) is what makes the current to still want to keep flowing  even if you turn off the switch, however if no secondary was in conduction mode (transformer with secondary and a diode conducting during the on pulse or without any diode) energy was only stored in the inductor and its Energy=mass*speed... than if the current have no where to go, the magnetic field will collapse for reseting the core field generating a high back emf pulse in the windings However if there is a winding in flyback mode (one with diode witch polarity will allow to conduct this reversed polarity pulse (during the of pulse)) the back emf accumulated "energy" will not come back to the primary so will be discharged in the load... otherwise on the links you may have noted the boost mode where the current is not allowed to change direction so the energy is discharged but current keep flowing in the same direction...  However voltage and current discharged will be transformed related to the time it took to charge and discharge all the energy...


I was thinking in a way to delay this discharge as much as possible to be able to transform voltage to its maximum possible value, but i found that would be very hard because of component limitations....


I think the electron extraction happens in this nano seconds...




here few more very interesting links (my last favorites) since yesterday



http://ludens.cl/Electron/Magnet.html
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_16/5.html
http://www.butlerwinding.com/store.asp?pid=28337
http://www.butlerwinding.com/store.asp?pid=29429&catid=19973
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/5.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronous_rectification
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_signal_generator2.htm
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/homemade_ignition_coil_driver.htm


Best Regards

I think you and i are becoming on the same level of thinking now, Fabio.
The booster schematics show a higher voltage across the cap then the circuit provides. Thats done by preventing leakage and dc resonance.
The whole reaction time of a coil depents mostly in these kind of situations on the resistance of that inductor.
Stan said that his where like 10kohm....Same like an ignition coil...= big coil inductor with high henrys.
If we can extract the leaking voltage/current of the wfc back into that bifcoil, or whatever coil, and add that to the new puls from the boostercircuit, then we will become king of the world!


Steve