Steve

ArchiE Blue once ran his car on water only.
Also did mr Dingel, who said he didnt needed an air filter.
Why?
They sucked ambient air and the hho into their engines thru their electrolysis cells and plates!
This theory is now supported, read down here.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1923Natur.112...57V



WENDT and Landauer (Jour. Amer. Chem. Soc., March, 1922, p. 513) failed to get any evidence for the presence of active hydrogen, generated by the action of an acid on a metal, or by the electrolysis of a solution of KOH. Similar results were also obtained by Y. Venkataramaiah (Proc. Sci. Assoc. Maharaja's College, Vizianagram, July 1921, p. 2). We have repeated the experiments, and find that hydrogen is actually activated when a conducting solution is electrolysed. We electrolysed a solution of dilute sulphuric acid, employing a platinum tube with a large number of pin-holes bored in it, and using a current varying from 3 to 15 amperes. While the electrolysis was going on, compressed nitrogen was bubbled through the solution, through the platinum electrode, to see if any ammonia were formed, as Wendt and Landauer found that active hydrogen combines with nitrogen to form ammonia. After a run of nearly twelve hours, the presence of ammonia was tested in the resulting solution. The result was positive.

Hi dave,

I didnt want to play the bad guy here. I just wanted to push you in the right direction.
The other reason for testing an ionizer on an engine is the vacuum thats produced and in which the ionizing proces works better.

In my tests without the engine running, i didn't see any improvements.
But maybe your proces is a better one
So, go on! Looking forward to read more of you in this matter.

Steve

Ok.

How about the possible reaction of electrons with the metal of an engine?
How about the re-combination time of h and o ?

I mean, listening to a bang is not very specific and takes time, etc.
If you understand what i mean.
If you want to run an engine with help of an ionizer, i think you should first run an engine without one.

Steve

Dave,

Again, how are you gonna test the effect of the setup?

Steve

Dave,

How are you going to test what you gonna build?
How does your ideal test setup look like?

Steve

Here's something else I've been considering for a while and has recurred to me last night.   The water doesn't actually need to be in direct contact with the SS does it?  I mean, the whole point of this SM's design is to use high charges to pull apart the water molecule, like using magnetic forces.  With the water actually being a lossy dielectric, couldn't we just isolate the SS tubes from the water with some sort of sealant; urethane or epoxy or something?  This would allow a higher voltage charge on the cell, prevent electron transfer to the water, and create additional resistance in the circuit.

This would possibly produce the same effect as the oxide skin, except be more permanent.

Has anyone tried this?

TS

You mean fully insulated tubes with pvc?
Yes. Done that.

Steve

Can you give us a page reference to this?

I don't recall reading about it.

Its on top of the wfc.
First picture of wfc with resonant cavitys, epg, etc.
At the beginning of the doc.
(sitting now in the train and cannot download the doc...)

I remember that some people did have good succes with using microwaves in combination with water/hho.
But it was pretty complex and dangerous as well...

I dont have any papers about these projects, but maybe google can help you out here....

Hi,

Its an interesting concept here.
I cannot read anywhere that he had real succes in re-using the freed electrons, but if he could capture them in his type of electron extraction circuit, then he might have a good point there on how to improve the electrolysis proces.

I had succes in using some charge coming of the watercell with my alternator in the past.
The rotor of the alternator was charged by the cell in that setup.
Was nice to see.
Later i made some scopeshots of reversed power of the cell after switching.
I could clearly see some kind of BEMF.
Stiffler seems to have found another way of reusing that charge.

I made a copy of his site in attached doc, befor it might get lost....


Steve

when apposing voltage fields are applied to h20 it ionizes into two h+ions and an O- ion. We want to take this further to the point where two electrons are pulled away from the O- ion giving us oxygen and two free electrons; the bond between the two atoms of the water molecule no longer exist. When the vic turns off, the two free electron recombine with the H+ ions to form stable hydrogen. Now we have hydrogen and oxygen. This is how Stan explains it in the tech brief.


I'm meeting with my roommate's chemistry professor soon who specializes in electro chemistry to discus if this is possible.

Possible problems, When h20 ionizes into two H+ and an O-, how long do the H+ exist by themselves? It seems likely to me that they would attach themselves to any electron they can find.

Interesting question.
But why are you asking this to your self?
Whats your goal on this?

Steve

Steve,
you're the only one who replied. I probably have not been clear. you do not have to extract electrons from water but the water itself as a dielectric creates free electrons when electrically charged. The phenomenon is called dielectric absorption but you need an water bi-distilled for obtain best results and right PH. The second is the correct circuit (positive on outer tube) so it is clear that the first circuit included within the patent has been manipulated.

Thank you for sharing this, but what is then left over to know?
Are you suggesting that we should use salt as catalist?
And what about the driving circuit with the famous chokes?

Steve

Hi Tut,

Thanks for posting here again.
You are saying that the trick is to use hho in combination with ambient air, mix it and then put them thru uv light?

How much led power would we need?
1, 100watts?


Steve

I'm trying to figure out why this patent differs from Puharich's work.  It seems like Puharich was dead set on trying to achieve 8 hertz.  He talked about how healers produced 8 hertz in their hands, and could charge up water with that.
 
Some of the statements between the patent and Puharich coincide.  For instance, here's a quote from Puharich's unpublished book, page 123:
 

Quote

 ....and proved that a certain ELF frequency (3.21 hz) will cause cancer.  I have  repeated these experiments, and found this to be true. 
 
......
 
Note that a powerful carcinogen, ethylene dioxide, has coupling constants around 3 to 5 hz.  Note that another powerful carcinogen, formaldehyde, has a coupling constant around 41 hz.  Parish, et al, have found that the spin-spin coupling constants for water in malignant brain tumors (in humans and dogs) to rang from 4.8 hz to 13.4 hz, whereas normal brain gray matter ranges from 8.6 to 11.3 hz.  Thus malignancy shows a spread of frequencies from low to high ELF range  ie...with respect to normal brain EEG's, and carcinogens have a wide spread from 3 hz to 41 hz around the center frequency for normalcy of 8 hz.  However a single ELF frequency can roduce cancer.

So was this guy measuring differently than Puharich, and thats why the difference (4.55 to 8 hz)?
 
Maybe I need to study harmonics better.  I don't understand like when Puharich was talking about the 7th harmonic of 0.125 hz (= 8 hz)....

8 hz is the schumann frequency. It is known as the frequency that heals.
So, if you want to disturb molecule/atoms, you better look for another frequency.


There is an theory that the human body contains some kind of crystals, who matches the 8 hz....
Thats the reason why the human body can recover when it sleeps.


Just think about the following situation: you go to the beach. Drop a blanket on the sand and you lay down on yr belly.
Why do 9 out of 10 people start getting sleep?
You are very good " grouded" Your body gets into recover mode. Healing mode.
I have seen measurements on that.


But think about it. The human body exists for 80% out of water plus additives. Why does every cell reacts on the 8hz?
Why does the 8 hz tells your cells to get back in the original state?
So, if this is happening, there might be a frequency that does othewise?


Puharich was into medical research. Maybe he found out what part of the water/blood was doing all this.


Steve

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Fast Freddy and Mr. X? Nut jobs! Another one of Sterling's drama series.

Sterling is just a journalist.
Dont shoot the messenger here....

Wow, those man have a nasty track record!
 

Sunday Times Innovation 1 Dec. 96 (http://www.sunday-times.co.uk
) 

End  of road for car that ran on Water 

American court finds inventor of water-powered car is guilty of fraud. 
Report by Tony Edwards 

It appears to be the end of the road for maverick inventor Stanley Meyer and 
his water-powered car after a recent American court verdict. 

The car was a wonderful, if unlikely, dream while it lasted, offering a 
pollution-free future powered by a limitless source of energy. But the 
dream was shattered when Meyer was found guilty of fraud after his Water 
Fuel Cell was tested before an Ohio judge. 
It is rare for an inventor to be prosecuted for an invention that does not 
work, but Meyer's problem was that he had been selling "dealerships", 
offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell tech- 
nology in anticipation of the day when water would power anything From 
domestic boilers to cars and aircraft. 
 But recently two suspicious investors could not wait for that day to dawn 
and sued Meyer to get their money back. 
Meyer defended, maintaining his long-held claim that the Water Fuel Cell was a truly 
revolutionary invention that could split water into its two constituent 
gases of hydrogen and oxygen far more efficiently than conventional 
electrolysis.  The secret, he said, was to "resonate" electricity at a very 
high voltage through water and so "fracture" the hydrogen/oxygen molecular 
bond. This, he claimed, opened the way for a car which would "run on wat- 
er", powered simply by a car battery. The car would even run for ever since 
the energy needed to continue the "fracturing" was so low that the bat- 
tery could be recharged: from the engine's dynamo. 

Meyer claimed to have adapted a 1.6-litre Volkswagen Dune Buggy to run on 
water. He replaced the sparkplugs with "injectors" which, he said, sprayed 
water as a fine mist in a "resonant cavity" where it was bombarded by a 
succession of high-voltage electrical pulses. He claimed this instantly 
converted the water into a mixture of hydrogen  and oxygen that could be 
combusted in the cylinders, driving the pistons just as in an ordinary 
petrol engine. 
One of the experts due toexamine the car was Michael  Laughton, professor 
of electrical engineering at Queen  Mary and Westfield University, London, 
but he was not allowed to see it. "Although Meyer had  known about our 
visit weeks in advance, when we arrived he made some lame excuse about why 
the car wasn't working, so it was impossible to evaluate  it," said 
Laughton. 
However, the one thing Meyer had built that appeared to work was his Water 
Fuel Cell, and it was this device that the Ohio judge called as evidence in 
the recent lawsuit. 
The cell had been the centrepiece of Meyer's sales pitches. It was a 
transparent cylinder of water inside which  was a core of stainless steel 
electrodes. When plugged into an electrical supply,the cell  bubbled away 
merrily, producing apparently copious amounts  of gas that Meyer ignited   
through a welding torch.To the layman it was an  impressive performance and 
hundreds of small investors signed up, but it did not impress three expert 
witnesses in court. 
They decided that there was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and 
that it was  simply  using conventional electrolysis. 
Meyer was found guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered to repay 
the investors their $25,000 (£15,000). 

( Any views ? ) 

-- 
..Every breadth we draw, every step we take, every thought we think, 
every sound or word we utter and the aeons of grief and oceans of tears 
we've shed for our needs or the secret exquisite pleasures, ease and 
security we seek 
we owe them all to our father cosmos & sun and earth mother ! 
Who else ?. Isn’t this all we are and every thing that is and will ever be ? 
Animated tail chasing star dust !; matter spirit energy yin yang dance ! 
(Probably the gist of a partly remembered translation of a Vedic hymn ) 

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I saw a post where you wrote that certain electrolysis cells get close to 150 percent - do you have a source for this?

 http://www.hhogen.org/forum/index.php/topic,474.0.html

 

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Steve

Steve,
I am here to tell ya...  the iron powder core bifilar wound toroid I made today with single layer iron wire did not even come close to the gas production and hv ptp that a simple pc flyback gives with a single layer iron wire primary with a copper wire secondary jumble wound on top.  there is something going on here...
for example, the flyback core I made with seperate iron wound chokes on ferrite rods laying nearby in series produced 2600v at 12v ptp with 50ma compared to 250v ptp 12v 100ma with a toroid wound single layer 8XA fashion
experiments continue
kb

I like news things....


KB, the results you have of 2.6kv are done with a flyback core with the original secondairy in tackt and you wound just an iron primary?
Normally i wind just a couple of windings on such primary of a flyback.
How many turns did you do on the prim on that flyback?
And them just hooked up to a 3 inch tubeset?

Yes, indeed sir.

Thats the purpose of this forum.
To change the world from fossil till water as fuelsource.