sebosfato

greeti n gs fr  o m hot place     

The impedance of a resonance fed in parallel is huge theoretically infinite and is defined by the Q factor.

If you apply for say 40kv at 1ma and the tank have lets say 10 amps recirculating its clear that the XL is 40000ohms

and the Q is the relation of the input current to the recirculating current.

if you get 1 amps divided by 1ma you get Q factor of 1000

giving an impedance saw by the source as a 40MOhm resistor.

in series circuit the voltage will be the initial voltage(t) times the Q...

Welcome to the forum Kenterprise


What picture you are refereeing to? Whats your youtube channel?

Best Regards
Sebosfato

I thought meyer was using corona discharge in this diagram...

What you are saying is that the stainless steel inner electrode will become an electron emitter at a certain alternating negative tension applied to it?


Negative relative to what?


The complete plans would be great   




I reached 6,000 between the inner electrode and the outside of the cell having yet 800 between the tubes... I got gas with very pure "distilled" water... however was too small production..and burning lots of transistors...   is not so trivial

A kind of coating?

I succeeded in doing electrolysis of distilled water doing this thing of putting ac in the inner electrode and positive on the outer... however I didn't achieved a huge production... look at this image… the problem is that the resonance was getting back in the primary and burning the mosfet so i stop working on that.


I'm ahead that meyer use this mystic ground but anyone could understand it well, i believe it to be the mounting ground of the cell (plastic insulation)... And i succeeded in oscillating the tuned coil with this capacitance between the inner cell and a "ground" electrode outside the insulated cell..


What would be a hiden component? a barium titanate? a magnet? a coil? the laser?


How about the ghost ground? please give us a direction.


I researched about every terms you talked about, to fully understand what you are saying, however still not clear the dielectric absorption process you mean.




I also believer Meyer found the wrong people, cause i know who also found them...


B.Regards
Fabio

Is not possible that meyer reached this multipacting effect only by using right frequency, reaching a certain tension? You really think he hide something?


I discovered that he hide magnetic fields... and i think his chokes shouldn't be coupled to be free to oscillate at different frequencies... He might use a current source in later vics cause is easier to do it solid state, in opposition to the alternator voltage source.   


A voltage source have low internal impedance and can provide "infinite" amps in a short circuit, while a current source has high internal impedance provide aways the same current whatever is the impedance of the circuit so is not "fixed" voltage...Of course in real life one is a bit the other and other is a bit one-   




Meyer clearly stated his method was exactly to prevent electrolysis. In my point of view it has to do with impeding the ionic and or free electrons movement inside the cell, ions walks back and forth transporting charge, creating the leakage current or the water capacitor.


For meyer system higher frequency, low conductance of the water, is desirable to be able to restrict the amps. What matters is that the resistance of the water to DC current be many times (this reason is the Q factor) bigger than the reactances... Ionic movement and electron movement are prevented the smaller is the period.


I think meyer could be applying  5v 2 amps to the resonance not to the alternator field coils... 

Very well my friend. I think now its clear to me... why you need two reactors?


Is these achievable using uv lamps? Or leds? x-rays? microwaves?


Is your production of HHO already over unity?


How much power output increase we are talking about here? I mean relating the burn of pure H2 and your micronic fuel? What exactly do you mean by 3 times that of gasoline? what is the comparative parameter?


would be possible to use pure hydrogen than to create this micronic fuel? Or it needs the complete reaction?


Cant you use the exhaust as source of nitrogen?


Thanks again

Nice Diagram. Thanks.


What is a water energizer?


So you are saying that you create HHO by common means than you amplify the thermal explosive energy adding the nitrogen to the mixture slowing down the burning speed and transforming the high btu in lower but with longer time?


Why you believe its HHO and not H2 and O2?



I thought you were interacting the nitrogen directly with water...

Well, i think you are right cause you are coincidentally using same words as meyer to describe your results, like when you say water fuel gas.


I hope you can tell us more about the wave lengths involved and about the water state for the reaction.


You talk about brown gas, this confused me a lot if you are inputing the photon energy and reacting gases in a region with the electric field applied or if you are electrolyzing the water and than reacting the gas with the nitrogen with just photon... 


However my best guess is that you are making all this inside an electric field and probably to maximize the surface contact the water is a fine mist of droplets or vapor.




Seems to me that you say "when molecules of water are extremely reactive as brown gas"


seems that you mean only changing the configuration of the water molecule, but not actually dissociating it is that correct? 
How can you charge the water this way?


Is magnetic field required?






Thanks
BEst Regards
Fabio

Interesting! I appreciate, your theory. Is clear you are working hard and seriously in it. For me the explanation why you get more power than you put in is because is a catalyzed reaction, (maybe almost spontaneous) so you probably just photoactiwate it...


Makes lot of sense to me.



I'm studying chemistry of radiation, and i'm learning about fotochemistry... 


After all if i understood well, you are dissociating and later combusting the N2 with the OH to form N20 and free up H atoms that subsequently joins with N and form amonia or hydrazine...


Well since water always keeps self-ionizing itself, you get a bunch of oh atoms all the time...


This agree with the fact that you mean acid water goes better for amonia than for hydrazine...   


Maybe you dissociate the N2 in a hot arc, and probably thats why you want pure N2. Otherwise you would get it oxidized which is useless for your reaction.


What intrigue me now is what you mean by "You do not need even a catalyst, you have enough extra electrons when the brown gas dissociates to liberate hydrogen and oxygen. you just need to figure out what is the dielectric absorption, and that kind of power supply you must use."


What you mean by extra electrons?


Did you tried diffusion electrodes?

What you mean here? "You need to use salt only if you use RF inside the cell." Kanzius?


Best Regards
Fabio

hmmmm i always figured injection time changes when revolution time changes (rpm) and the changes are made proportionately  with rpm.. having a predetermined variable being horsepower.

seb check my math above once more please.. pretty sure i have it right...   so it is 7.4 ml per cylinder for 50 hp motor amounting to 2.6 liters per hour at 65mph and 2000rpm? and a average hydrocarbon fuel gets around 6.5 liters a hour at 65mph and 2000rpm due to the fact that there is 2.5 more power in water from having a higher quantity of hydrogen per 1:1 by volume.

Now you corrected it right? Attention because you still confusing micro liters with milliliters. But now the results seems right! I don't understand why you talk about 2000 rpm? Do you mean for 6 cylinders? still not clear...
however
stan said 7.4 micro liters per injection cycle for a 50hp 4 cylinders running at 3000rpm and 65mph
I believe he used the mixing of the gas to control the motor speed i mean he used more or less exhaust recirculation accordingly with the rpm desired. I say this because he talked about the speed of the explosion of the hydrogen witch would be to great alone. So to reduce the speed or the rpm (MEYER TRANSLATION) he substituted the air in for exhaust gas. why? Because is much easier (KISS) to make a pulse of fix width that changes only in frequency (rpm) than is to create a pulse that changes frequency and also width right ?

If the pressure of the cell is fix and the quenching circuit works the way i proposed it becomes obvious that he stated 7.4ul per injection cycle because for every injection cycle you will inject the same amount of hydrogen. The amount of gas injected will be controlled by the rpm since as you add exhaust gas the RPM will change REDUCE automatically.

He probably had a sensor on the valves that every time the intake valve open the solenoid opens for 4ms injecting the gas  as i said 13,3ml of hydrogen oxygen gas per injection...
than on the intake he probably used a kind of three way switch that has the air input and also the exhaust return... he than just regulated the speed rotating the switch... Isn't it very simple?

All is needed here now is to calculate the pressure needed to be maintained on the cell for having this amount of gas passing inside the quenching circuit in this predetermined time at a velocity greater than as he stated 350cm/second.
here is a link with a calculator i'm studying :
http://www.pipeflowcalculations.com/airflow/index.htm

pressure in the cell is free so you can use it so no need for gas pump.
 

Right you also understood well the 2,5 times more powerful comparison is (by) volume but or also more probably or precisely (BY) weight...

what are your opinions guys?

Is the same...

But you are right i didn't made myself very clear.


I meant the energy of the discharge.
 
It equivalent to


1watt second or = 1 joule      (watt/second) you know...


1 joule = 1 watt * second   because watt is power or work done, and joule (energy density) is 1 watt applied for one second if it has to be done in half of the time would be twice the energy of the discharge.
 

further


2 joules = 2 watts-second (two joules)


 if discharged in half second it would be a 4 watts discharge or 4 joules discharge...


2 joules = 1 watt * (for) 2 seconds

1joule = 10w discharge if the period is 0,1 second

power = power

I didn't meant that this is equivalent to generate energy but is the way all inventors found to create huge forces that make work if applied the right way..,

Guys i discovered meyer secret.
Its all about charging the inductor with one frequency and discharge with other.


Example


1 joule = 1 watt / second


If you charge the inductor with one watt in one second and than discharge this inductor in 1 nano second you are creating a 1 Giga joule discharge.


The secret is the collapse of the field as i explained in the last post.


again
The pulse that charge the transformer is at one frequency but have a 99,99% duty cycle... thus the discharge occurs in 0,01% of the period thus it is about 10000 times smaller...


than voltage perform work


I will end here and let you take your conclusions.

Hi Sebos
Here is circuit of Busi you want.
andy

Thanks a lot andy, i tried to construct but here i see busi used a 1 ohm 20w resistor and probably that way the oscillation indeed work...

However i think is not the best way to measure the capacitance since we are actually measuring the time constant of the water capacitance and resistances... which is not by itself a good value in my understanding.. other measurements must be taken into account like the resistance of the cell to different frequencies and with dc current...

He did it much better than i however since i used 3 ics to make it work.. i can bypass them though


Steve thats very nice pictures...

today i´m going to get the plastics to workout a cell like this for me...

thanks a lot

Fabio

The resistance for half kilogram of 29awg should be 235 ohms if we take the resistance and analyze the length of the wires we get than if we are really sure he was using 29wire only

0,268ohms/meter

so chokes has 300meters of wire

primary = 40 meters
secondary and chokes 300 meter each....

primary to secondary ratio would probably be 7,5

the waves take some time to travel along a wire,,, in this case the wire is enclosed by the core which lower the speed of the wave somehow...

so if we considere the speed of the light to be 300000000m/s than a wave would take 1/1000000 of a second to cross it and be absorbed or reflected. this i guess is full wave... 

when i connect the water its not able to do it.. oscillate

Secondary 3000-3200 turns, wire resistance measured between 70-75 ohms between the three coils (2 chokes and secondary)

So the secondairy is ca 3000 turns and also the chokes have 3000 turns each...............
Lots of henrys....lots of resistance....

i bought half kilogram of 29 wag wire.. it has 211ohms resistance total

so you saying the resistances sums than in series right so should be a half kilogram of 29awg wire in the vic at least for the chokes and secondary,,

i just finished constructing the oscillator to find out proprieties of the water,,,

it works but i had to do a modification of the circuit i imagined... here it goes with the components,,,
again the original thread discussing it is,,,

http://hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=506

I hope there is someone registered to the heretical builders to get the circuit from busi to compare with mine to see if its correct,,, the registration for that forum is over,,,