however i think that he believe that the gas will come out ionized is somewhat related to the fact that inside a conductor electric field must be zero...
he states that his gas can be compressed up to high psi without exploding, hope he show it...
You know what? I think that maybe you are kind right. Think with me:
There was a paper i read that tell you to change the moment of the spark. Maybe a little bit after the compression cycle. I don't remember exactly... maybe is because water somehow lose its energy and become liquid... If you get to think, the heat of fusion of water is 40kj per gram. So if we have -241kJ per 18g = 13kj gram is way less energy than 40kj gram... so if we could find a way to make this water to give its heat of to the air making it to become liquid we would have 13kj+40kj per gram of water. You understand what i mean?
I have calculated the energy content of the gasoline and compared to that of water...
But would be easier than that because meyer already gave us the amount of water that should be injected. And comparatively is quite right!
Take 7,4ul thus 0,0000074 liters and multiply it by 1800 witch is the amount of gas that this amount of water will expand into when transformed into 2h2+02. Thus you have 0,01332 liters of gas per injection or 13,32ml. So lets take 250ml per cylinder you have % =13,3*100/250 =5,3%
Actually meyers car was 1600cc thus 400ml per cylinder witch would lead you to need only 3,33% (h2+02) not only H2
Hope You understood what i mean... ( the 1800 value is not correct so you should expect an increment in % also because the temperature would increment a few ok)
I didn't watched yet to the video but i'm going to...
2H2 + O2 will not become liquid H20 after it recombine. It will become superheated steam. Not liquid. Only superheated steam.
Man the amount of 2H2+O2 that you need to inject inside the cylinder to have an equivalent to gasoline explosion represents only 6% of the cylinder in volume. So NO IMPLOSION. PLEASE!!!
This indicates the magnetic potential energy of hydrogen atom. When an atom receives energy from a fixed hv photon, it will only raise its energy level to a certain point. However if you apply a magnetic field specially a varying magnetic field, like inside a resonant coil, you create different levels of absorption of photon energy. This could makes the electrons to goes to outer orbits and finally ejects... Maybe electric fields also makes the same thing.
The water form a double layer with electrodes 10 angstrons thick where 0,5 volts is distributed forming an electric field of 5 Million Volts/cm at each electrode in contact with water. This is basic electrochemistry of fuel cells. see double layer. The big problem is that this electric field is in counter action with the applied field and is the reason for many of the kinetic limitations of the electrode water interface.
Yes haitar i think it would be more impressive if they could light a bulb too. They showed a kind of aways rising signal on the oscope to demonstrate ou. It seemed to me like stanley meyer aways rising graphs. They talk about collapsing the fields ...
If this graph was Current circulating in the shorted coils and voltage. They could have cheated on power factor. I'm not sure but is what it seems. If they used a light bulb they would have a power factor close to one and thus wouldn't work. They had a kind of resonance between mechanical and electrical circuit.
They stated that when you have the magnet closest point to the toroidal coil it has very low inductance (because the magnetic fields saturates the permeability of the core. And that when the magnet is moved far away the inductance increases 99.99% so basically is like if they would not count the back electromotive force when inputing energy on the coil and have a gain from this energy inputed on the coil of 99.99%
I'm not sure if this holds true because you will need to do work to move the magnet away from the coil so i'm not able to do calculations on this yet to prove them are right or wrong.
However they stated also that efficiencies can become greater than 327% with bigger unities.
Yes and thats why i mentioned sodium sodium tends to oxidize in presence of oxygen (the principle of the electron extraction circuit) This reaction produce electricity. If you use this electricity to drive a laser to ionize the sodium you will release the oxygen without its electrons... does it cost you any?
I'm going to watch steorn.com presentation live right now they will how the over unity principle and explain it right now in few minutes.
Steve this explain why ionized gas would have a magnetic field. thanks a lot. Probably using magnetic electrodes to generate the gas we can also have parahydrogen as we were talking about the other day...
About the cell, I think stan isolated his tubes that way in the resonant cell as to not have Ac current leaking thru the cell before the diode if you understand what i mean. Think about... For sure as the area of the cells are greater the resistance will be lower and efficiency will grow up. So loss less high voltage capacitors and thick wire to reduce losses in the tank and you should see more efficiency. Maybe thats why you had more than 1,4 volts between the cells ? ??
outlawstc i'm just considering the cell must operate at a maximum pressure or at least have a limit. and that air mixed with the gas would give higher rpm than exhaust mixed with it. I was just considering a an acceleration differential or incentive. Off course as the rpm goes higher or you need more power you need to apply more power too. Is the same as gasoline at high rpm will consume more theoretically because on a motor losses increases for each cycle right!
Yes the ferro fluid moved by the bubbles is very much simpler i guess, and i think is easier to replicate too. I was trying to guess what meyer was doing if using only with the gas.
I though about another possibility.
Maybe we could use the photoelectric effect to gain energy and to have a better ionized gas inside the tube. By having a sodium electrode illuminated by a lasers about 400nm. This would give us some oxygen very ionized. I think.
did you tried the plastic tube thing man?
Have you seeing a vortex electrolysis when in presence of magnetic field?
Maybe with the resonant tank we can have enough high voltage to ionize the gases, just guessing again...
I was thinking about The resonant cell meyer used, he had the tubes isolated from each other.
In your design you might have some losses, some ac passing thru the tubes. Because they are not isolated from each other. What do you think about?
Maybe you could try to have one resonance for each individual pairs of tubes, what do you think about? I was trying to think about and thought that meyer used 11 vics so maybe he had different resonance for each tube. I will Still thinking about.
I suggest to change this topic name to Generation of electricity by usage of moving magnetic fields.
I'm going to post something that you all have overlooked. Its a patent called Energy conversion system and Stanley meyer cited this on his patent called Gas electrical hydrogen generator. It basically shows and clearly explain how stan run his buggy.
Ok i'm saying this just to make you read it!!!
It explain well how the epg principle works!
So now you have an energy source.
Just need to figure out constructing the device and testing.
Steve check it out is only pressure that can do this.
I meant this, (see the drawing) he is doing the same thing as i was but he is not using a high voltage transformer he is inputing current in series, (i did this too and worked last year) he created a recirculating resonant tank, like the one i had but at that time i could not find distilled water and didn't found it would work because i was not thinking about high voltage across the tubes anymore... The only difference is that he substitute one of the tube by a capacitor and use the transistor inside the tank, to be able to insert the current without a transformer... i discovered in my resonant tank that was not necessary if you drive it with high voltage low amp in parallel using only two diodes... Stan made the vic as to double the frequency because of this... to drive the resonance better.. I remember last year i also got this same effects except that i didn't had pure distilled water, and for that reason i added soda and a capacitor in series to make the capacitance part of the resonance.. . It becomes a resonant cavity witch have a recirculating current and aways dc alternating between the two tubes. With the double coil is possible to make with only one tube i think, i didn't thought of it yet.-.. just finishing remaking my cell with two tubes again and the coil to drive it to resonance.. You can see it on my youtube channel
Do you remember that youtube video with a kind of iron U I core with two coils, witch the guy energize and than become a permanent magnet and witch when he pull out the I part of the core the electricity was discharged and the lamp lights? Do you have any info about that principle and the link to that video please? I'm looking for it since some time and not finding...
Thanks
ps do you remember the my proposed resonant circuit with one coil 2 diodes two tubes? now get the dan's circuit substitute the other capacitor by another tube and take out the transistor and drive with my circuit, using distilled water...
isn't the same circuit? forget about my modification on the last drawing , even if is not wrong it would only be needed if you want to run with only one tube.. but a little different than what i showed...
also forget about the cap in series with the tubes in my circuit...
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have you ever read this? Frequency dependent capacitorsIf a capacitor is driven with a time-varying voltage that changes rapidly enough, then the polarization of the dielectric cannot follow the signal. As an example of the origin of this mechanism, the internal microscopic dipoles contributing to the dielectric constant cannot move instantly, and so as frequency of an applied alternating voltage increases, the dipole response is limited and the dielectric constant diminishes. A changing dielectric constant with frequency is referred to as dielectric dispersion, and is governed by dielectric relaxation processes, such as Debye relaxation. Under transient conditions, the displacement field can be expressed as (see electric susceptibility):indicating the lag in response by the time dependence of ?r, calculated in principle from an underlying microscopic analysis, for example, of the dipole behavior in the dielectric. See, for example, linear response function.[6][7] The integral extends over the entire past history up to the present time. A Fourier transform in time then results in:where ?r(?) is now a complex function, with an imaginary part related to absorption of energy from the field by the medium. See permittivity. The capacitance, being proportional to the dielectric constant, also exhibits this frequency behavior. Fourier transforming Gauss's law with this form for displacement field:where j is the imaginary unit, V(?) is the voltage component at angular frequency ?, G(?) is the real part of the current, called the conductance, and C(?) determines the imaginary part of the current and is the capacitance. Z(?) is the complex impedance. When a parallel-plate capacitor is filled with a dielectric, the measurement of dielectric properties of the medium is based upon the relation:where a single prime denotes the real part and a double prime the imaginary part, Z(?) is the complex impedance with the dielectric present, C(?) is the so-called complex capacitance with the dielectric present, and C0 is the capacitance without the dielectric.[8][9] (Measurement "without the dielectric" in principle means measurement in free space, an unattainable goal inasmuch as even the quantum vacuum is predicted to exhibit nonideal behavior, such as dichroism. For practical purposes, when measurement errors are taken into account, often a measurement in terrestrial vacuum, or simply a calculation of C0, is sufficiently accurate.[10] ) Using this measurement method, the dielectric constant may exhibit a resonance at certain frequencies corresponding to characteristic response frequencies (excitation energies) of contributors to the dielectric constant. These resonances are the basis for a number of experimental techniques for detecting defects. The conductance method measures absorption as a function of frequency.[11] Alternatively, the time response of the capacitance can be used directly, as in deep-level transient spectroscopy.[12] Another example of frequency dependent capacitance occurs with MOS capacitors, where the slow generation of minority carriers means that at high frequencies the capacitance measures only the majority carrier response, while at low frequencies both types of carrier respond.[13][14] At optical frequencies, in semiconductors the dielectric constant exhibits structure related to the band structure of the solid. Sophisticated modulation spectroscopy measurement methods based upon modulating the crystal structure by pressure or by other stresses and observing the related changes in absorption or reflection of light have advanced our knowledge of these materials.[15]
