problem is that the motor is not able not eve to charge the battery... it turns too fast...
i went down town today to find a motor but didn't found a good one yet...
i will get one 1800rpm 2 hp so i can use the same pulley witch costed me already bit.. probably i will need to machine it again to adjust to the other motor..
Actually the alternator is putting out the unipolar pulses at 1140hz... when i pulse it it mix the frequencies... i have a distorted unipolar pulses...
I thought about making it resonant adding a capacitor so as to be able to reverse the polarity of the field poles,,, it has a reminiscent magnetism witch don't allow the field to reverse...
i found a variac like 1,5kw for about 120 euros... there are ten of this... they are used.. was from a fabric... i would like pulse the field coil with the unipolar too 120hz witch i think that is important because is a multiple (or almost) of the 1140hz
well got some nice frequencies coming out alternator... 55volts applying 12v to the field coil... however under load the speed change so as frequency... actually the motor don't stand not even to charge the battery(got a new battery today), not even using the voltage regulator... capacitor fries cause rpm drops with load and it drop a lot... got to get a 2hp motor...(my is 1/3 Hp)
however harmonic frequencies are multiples of the fundamental, like i described.. many harmonics...
strangely 3phase full wave rectified with the six diodes not on the neutral.. i get less harmonics and fundamental is 2,280khz (double)
now i think is about driving the vic and adjust the chokes to match the right frequency... Need to understand also the wavelength thing better too... I think that i'm going to the university today and find someone that can help... =)
i will try think of this device as it was a filter. taking the high frequencies from one side §(water) and low frequencies to the inductors side... band pass maybe.. while still having a dc offset
got to find a motor today too!
but i'm going to try this things about the harmonics here,...
I was reading something really interesting about dangerous torsional resonances on crankshafts of generators witch cracks the crankshafts. The document is in my language and is from serious university of electrical engineering...
it also explains very well alternator connections and phase power ... there is one type called zigzag hehe
from now i will use neutral for the center of the star...
i would like to rewound the alternator with smaller gauge wire to get higher voltage... hell of work...
the frequency of each individual secondary of the alternator is 380 hz so i think that i have +- 3,800 Rpm...
i believe that stan used a similar rpm or close too... maybe he had a bit bigger because the alternator pulley in the picture seems a bit less than half the driving pulley... mine is half ...
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well this in my opinion would be an easier approach in that the input transformer is simplified, so it participates o the resonance inputing the energy in series so it don't need to be decoupled....
I've chosen to use 110v in order to have less losses on the mosfet in this simulation and in to be able to make the transformer step down witch lower the amps on the primary ...
I tried this last year and it work however i didn't had the choke to decouple the cell from the tank and nor distilled water...
think about if water start the resonance having about 10kohm and when full of bubbles become about 100kohm
try changing the values, you will see just what stan said
$ 1 5.0E-6 1.1685319768402522 44 5.0 50 v 160 256 160 448 0 2 5131.0 14.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 T 240 256 400 448 0 5.0E-4 50.0 5.628008408966203 -0.12419289015802223 d 160 256 240 256 1 0.805904783 r 160 448 240 448 0 0.07 c 720 256 720 448 0 1.0E-8 -2677.3518090454563 l 848 256 848 448 0 0.1 -2.474705300403797 w 400 448 464 448 0 w 464 448 544 448 0 w 464 256 544 256 0 d 400 256 464 256 1 0.805904783 w 720 256 848 256 0 w 720 448 848 448 0 T 544 256 624 336 0 1.0 1.0 0.12419289015802215 0.1241928901580217 w 544 336 544 224 0 w 720 224 720 256 0 d 848 256 944 256 1 0.805904783 c 944 304 944 448 0 7.799999999999999E-9 425.45946666378404 r 992 304 992 448 0 10000.0 w 944 304 992 304 0 w 944 256 944 304 0 w 944 448 992 448 0 w 544 224 720 224 0 l 848 448 944 448 0 5.0 2.274005636571097E-15 w 624 256 720 448 0 w 544 448 624 448 0 w 624 448 624 336 0 o 4 1 0 33 5120.0 3.2 0 -1 o 0 1 1 35 160.0 9.765625E-5 1 -1 o 3 1 1 35 5.0 9.765625E-5 2 -1 o 16 1 0 43 2560.0 0.1 3 -1 o 4 1 0 35 10240.0 3.2 4 -1 o 9 1 0 33 80.0 0.2 5 -1 o 17 1 1 35 80.0 9.765625E-5 6 -1
well listen to stan words
transformer driven by unipolar square wave, with a switching diode and a common choke in series than into the resonant cavity and than the blocking diode and another variable choke... than water...
He states in the tech breath that the resonant charging chokes would provide undistorted signal, in this simulation it proves to work this way, without the chokes you are not able to sustain resonance on the tank without spending a lot of energy because the transformer become part of the resonant tank, this change the resonant frequency dramatically.... basically the choke will de couple the transformer and the resonant tank... the circuit shown have a 50:1 transformer that have 14 volts coming in and at 5khz consume 50W while having on the other side 9kv on the tank and ABOUT 700v going to the water... I assumed a 10kohm resistance across the water... if you raise the resistance you get far more voltage...
what do you think about??
inputing 150ma from the secondary and having 3 amps recirculating, seems to me like a 20Q factor... the resistance across the water is consuming about 45W so almost 90% efficiency.. of course in real like wont be this way however, is a good picture...
Its very good design in my opinion, however you could consider using a voltage regulator for 12v and a mosfet driver like tc4420 to assure correct turn on and off speed of the mosfet... oh you could also use instead of this 740, the irfp360
Get also some diodes for protections and rectify the currents...
I 'm thinking about using a flyback topology because it can perform that task that i thought about storing the energy in the gap and than discharge it all in once giving high voltage low current without relation to the turns... It is more related with the duty cycle and speed of the rectifier..
in sequence this pulse must be able to induce resonance of the water cavity thus being able to extract the energy from water and being able to accumulate it in the resonant coil somehow...
I'm thinking for example in accumulating maybe 1mW during 1ms in the core than discharge in 1 ns thus having a 1000w discharge
I learned something very important this days
inductor opposes the flow of current by giving to it a kind of inertia (mass), so the current is accelerated inside the coil due to the voltage force(thus if voltage applied is constant during the period in witch it is applied, this current "speed" or flow will raise linearly) like a ramp wave up to the last peak that is just before voltage is turned off... this inertia ( weight or magnetic field) is what makes the current to still want to keep flowing even if you turn off the switch, however if no secondary was in conduction mode (transformer with secondary and a diode conducting during the on pulse or without any diode) energy was only stored in the inductor and its Energy=mass*speed... than if the current have no where to go, the magnetic field will collapse for reseting the core field generating a high back emf pulse in the windings However if there is a winding in flyback mode (one with diode witch polarity will allow to conduct this reversed polarity pulse (during the of pulse)) the back emf accumulated "energy" will not come back to the primary so will be discharged in the load... otherwise on the links you may have noted the boost mode where the current is not allowed to change direction so the energy is discharged but current keep flowing in the same direction... However voltage and current discharged will be transformed related to the time it took to charge and discharge all the energy...
I was thinking in a way to delay this discharge as much as possible to be able to transform voltage to its maximum possible value, but i found that would be very hard because of component limitations....
I think the electron extraction happens in this nano seconds...
here few more very interesting links (my last favorites) since yesterday
3 inches long cavity composed of 0,75 inches and 0,5 inches tubes having a gap of 0,0625 inches with water would give a capacitance of about 1,3nf having about 24000kohm resistance (pure water) would give from the formula 1/2pi*R*C = 5khz
Than Xc should be = to Re or 24kohm at 5khz
so 1/2*pi*5000*1,3*10^-9= 24000 ohms Xc Hum
I think that this is the right formula and not 1/RC
well i just wrote a lot and everything was lost so here i go again in parts
I have constructed in the last days 2 new transformers, one made with silicon steel E E ( to have more window) laminations having 16mm*22mm of cross section area and bobbins about 20mm wide witch also can be used on the other core witch is a flyback core having 16mm diameter ...
The bobbins are distributed in 3 sections one for the primary 200 turns 22awg one for the resonant charging chokes 100 turns each 22 awg and other for the secondary 600 turns using 28 awg ...
The secondary make up the voltage of the cell... and the charging chokes creates the step charging effect witch doubles the frequency with the help of two diodes and allow the voltage to be stepped up to higher levels than predetermined by coils turns rates..
One of the chokes are connected with fields aiding serially after the secondary separated by one diode... And the other is connected to another diode as to double the frequency and to collapse the field... This one perform a very specific function as it will allow the pulses going to the charging chokes to be unipolar and doing so it allow the choke to discharge all the energy accumulated during the pulse in a fraction of the time taken to charge the choke this means that this short pulse will have very high voltage... However i think that a more controlled electrical switch will be needed to concentrate the magnetic field before the discharge by leaving a brief period of time with no pulse allowing to the magnetic field to concentrate before collapsing...
Well this high energy short pulse will perform the step charging effect...
The coils and the transformer it self must be able to work at the resonant cavity frequency witch will be determined by F = 1/ R*C or F=1/2Pi*R*C (i'm not sure) witch can be changed by adding capacitors in parallel with the water... to adjust it to the transformer and chokes inductors as to have a tuned circuit... So there are two resonances.. one ( water dielectric constant, resistance and electrodes shape and size )set the frequency and the other tune into it.. However the impedance of the output from the transformer must have an impedance grater than the resonant cavity resistance as to allow the damping factor to be less than one or at the same time allowing the resonant cavity to oscillate. This will create an alternating current inside the water between its capacitance and its resistance all this suffering the action of high electric field DC... thus this oscillation will be the way to achieve high current high voltage needed to break down a lot of water...
Actually i believe that the short pulse will switch off the covalent bounding because its extreme density and than this superimposed oscillation will create the motion in the electric field to create current to split apart the atoms...
well the only problem is that when i connect to the 110dc line i get fireworks and transistors and fuses blowing.
I will measuring the output energy and input energy... i have only one multimeter so is going to be hard. I think that i will use a lamp as a load. than i will measure input and output current and voltage... Than there will be no doubt...
I discovered how to design transformers and now i'm finishing one with some taps in the primary for 20khz 120volts dc and will pulse it with my circuit than i will use the electron pump configuration (coil diode coil fields aiding) but with full wave bridge rectifier configuration, meaning 2 diodes 4 coils being two sets anti-paralleled, (doubling the frequency) than this (unlimited) voltage supply go to the the resonant coil with respective independent and isolated ground switches and collapse field voltage multiplier coil.
i mean unlimited by electron pump action it will pump amps with no limit in voltage so voltage is free to grow and grow...
unipolar pulses thus
To calculate the primary
remember that inductance = permeability of the core * (turns squared) L=u*t^2 thus permeability = inductance / (turns squared) u=L/t^2 And by consequence turns = square root of the (inductance / permeability) t=sqrt(L/u)
And now you just need to know the saturation limit of the material in tesla and apply the following formula
turns=Volts/4/Area in m2/Hz/Tesla
t=V/4/A/Hz/T
m2 = cm2/10000 This is the area cross section of the core
For iron core 1 tesla for ferrite from 0,1 up to 0,5 depends on the type
The secondary you need to choose the transformation factor and just multiply by the number of turns
you must consider the impedance of the circuit
the impedance transformation is = Z * Transformation factor squared Zt= Z*T^2
I wound the secondary series with contrary direction as to have both positive ends on the same side to void insulation problems. Hope it works..
Yes the vic doubles the frequency as i predicted, however i didn't got the unipolar pulses yet and i need to figure out why... in the water there is ac and i see the bubbles coming out from it...
I'm using water for battery (deionized) and its cold
later when i get back i will make some more tests...
I used only two diodes until now (i also used 1 diode in series with the primary between it and the mosfet...) ... and i found that many more bubles come out when i don't use the secondary... also this way the waveform on the scope is = for the back emf pulse and the pulse...
Now i need to figure the unipolar thing and the ultra short pulse... I'm thinking that maybe if i pulse with 99% duty cycle... maybe
I will try also geting an iron rod as maybe the problem is the saturation on my toroidal ferrite....
Other problem i see is that my oscope is very bad it don't see dc....
I'm finishing the prototype this weekend i will have a position.
I will not use the lawton circuit as i examined and they are not like the principle i have here..
I will use the pll circuit to generate the frequency and maintain resonance as i did in my previous experiments but i will use a duty cycle variable gate made from a 555 timer going into the pin 5 of the pll that will control the number of pulses being applied to the primary and with an invert logic will also activate the amp consuming device witch will be the Damper of the resonance witch i want to achieve, ( as a mean to control the production) ( i don't want all the water inside my chamber to explode, hehe might be dangerous) as the electron extraction circuit will be used in my concept to double the frequency and allow the resonant charging effect thru a second high speed diode when the amp consuming device switch is in off position...
I made a very nice schematic, and the all plan for the wave forms needed to achieve what i want, there is only one little thing i need to think about, i need to figure a way to have the gate pulse to the amp switch to only start when the pulse is finished to avoid its conduction during high stress timing.
I'm finishing the vic
I have 2 resonant coils 0,8mm wire 80 turns per coil being one wound over the other in the same direction but with a very good insulation between both ( i used nomex and mylar insulation) the up coil of them i made variable every ten turns, and both got 38 mh
I'm using a ferrite toroidal core about 10cm diameter having about 5000 uh permeability if i remember well HV yellow insulation tape under all windings,
Only the "bifilar" resonant coils are one wounded over the other, the secondary will be separated and primary also for easy of changing...
i just need now to wind up the secondary and primary and solder everything up and will be able to perform 1° tests
I will use 0,27mm wire for the secondary and it will have about 100 turns... while the primary will have 30
when i get the resonance i will than adjust the primary and secondary to the right impedance to reach maximum power transfer..
Z= R1+R2+R3+Re
Z transformation = T^2* Z
My water capacitor have about 1nf is a 4 inch long pair of tubes with 2mm gap being the inside tube is 1 inch diameter... I have used corona dope on the inside of the inside tube and outside of the outside tube, and have used sandpaper on the contact surfaces in a tentative to clear it well and raise a bit the contact area...
however thinking about i found that the corona dope will probably not be enough as it has a very low dielectric value, and is very thin coating, even if i applied many layers and dried on fire... delrin to support the voltage stress would need to be some mm thick so i think the corona will help very little if so. no problem
Haitar 1 watt per second or 1 joule is = 10watts applied in 0,1 second ok
now you say: 1/1 = 1 but 10/0,1 = 100 and that cannot be the same obviously. however 1 Watt*second = 10Watt*0,1 second = 1 Joule
And you are not wrong
as it is not the same because i'm talking about energy density not the total energy inside of the system.
you need to understand that i'm talking about 0,1 second not 1 second anymore
1 joule witch is equal to 1 watt if discharged in one second... as much as is 10kw power applied in 1 second is = to 10kj and likely if this 10kj is applied in a shorter time the density of the energy is greater.
einstein proved this with the relativistic theory, and also plank
If you increase the frequency you increase the energy density, the energy bags become more dense... but overall energy is the same as on the rest of the second you will not apply more energy
you see the joules remain the same because watts * second but the density is watt/second
Thats what i mean
Now you just need to figure that this density will lead you to achieve effects on materials witch will lead them to generate electrical energy by movement or deflection of the charged particles due to the intensity of the field...
yes, it is a bit complicated at a first look but i think that i'm starting to understand what he did...
he created a kind of current sensing that generates the resonant feedback, thats why he uses the neutral to supply the 555 timer.. the 555 is there for generating an arbitrary frequency but being able to sense and lock in automatically into resonance...
you see a * in his drawing here he show something like 60w 22-5ohm, i believe it is where the cell is connected... (between the transistors) i didn't understood the Rx yet and how exactly the second coil is connected .
seems to me like a successful replication
he used two coils of 200 turns divided in 5 layers of 40 turns for each coil. (section A and section B)
However i already have my own circuit and schematic for the vic witch i'm going to use to test what i'm saying.
Did you guys understood the unipolar pulse thing that i mentioned? When every unipolar pulse collapses, a very high speed pulse is generated and as the pulse is very fast the voltage of the spike will be huge... ( a ultra high speed diode will be needed in order to be able to bring this pulse to the water...
In my drawing in blue you see the first pulse and its current flow and in black you see the off pulse and its current flow...
i made a representation of the ions electrons path into the circuit witch is the arrow followed by the black point...
I also represented the spike as a black point representing the collapses of the field... This spike is what will dissociate the water, so the higher the frequency the more spikes you get...
I'm thinking that this way no switching device will be needed as the diodes will be able to open or close automatically during pulsing operations
I believe that this guy really have succeed, because i'm believing that stan solution was quite simple...
I made a diagram of this schematic, with a better visualization for better understanding what he did exactly.. here it is
This is the page 19 where are the others?
i'm thinking that the unipolar pulses applied to the primary is one of the main principles behind stan work, is not very hard to make it
i have analyzed very well the behavior of the currents and made this other drawings ...
Basically when the unipolar field collapses a very ultra fast pulse is generated, if connected this way you should be able to apply this pulse to the water thru the other inductor that shares the same coupling field...
i didn´t understood very well what you saying...could you explain me better?
I tryed pulsing the field coil, however the frequency coming out is only dependent on the rpm
Do you guys now about the thane hein bitoroidal transformer? He claim to be able to create energy by magnetizing a core and inducing this magnetism to another core for being able to use the energy whithout leting the back emf goes back into the primary thus primary have 0 power factor and thus almost 0 power loss...
What i´m saying about retarding the pulse of the secondary or to start its conduction only after 90° could acomplish that couldn´t it?
Think like this you pulse the primary, doing this you magnetize the core, if you have a shorted secondary you will have a very low inductance on the primary and thus you will have high amp consuming... However if you wait until the magnetic field become max or 90° later, you should be able to discharge the magnetic field without making the circuit hungry for amps...
what you think about this?
And
I worked all night long on a schematic for the electron extraction circuit and i came up with something that will actually double the frequency as stan said and at the same time would allow the ions to discharge extracting the electrons from the oh- ions and in a separate circuit ( wiper arm coil) give electrons to the H+ ions... without discharge the water...
It would need the coil to be bifilar because you will discharge the magnetic field of one coil into the other;.;
and would restrict amps because the current will flow in oposite directions on the coils...
it would than need 2 or 3 diodes or 2 diodes and one igbt or tiristor i´m not sure...
I started by analising what happen during the pulse and during the of pulse with the voltage on theh coils...
I also figured that stan gave us the impedance calculation for us to be able to design the transformer for driving the coils and water;;
than you have the impedance so you can chose the primary and secondary inductances of the transformer because you already knows the resonant frequency because you already know the capacitance and inductance....
So lets say you have a 100 ohm load you design the transformer for this load ar its particular frequerncy
There is not a fit to all frequencyes transformer;;;;
it must be espetialy designed for it to work
Howver the idea is simple (forget the 90° stuff for now)
you apply the pulse to the cell thru the diode and the 1 coil.
when the pulse is of the coil will reverse polarity and the side close to the diode will become positive, there goes a igbt, witch is connected to the negative side of the cell
the negative side of the secondary is connected straight to the negative side of the cell
and also connected to the same negative side of the cell goes the other bifilar coil
The other side of this bif coil witch is coupled to the 1 one; is connected to another diode and than to the positive side of the cell... This would allow to have aN aways positive voltage applied to the cell...
BAsically the cell will have the exact púlse stan shown...
current lags voltage or voltage leads current because WHen a voltage is applied to an inductor, it will readly start to drop while the current will start to flow acelerating electrons in "speed" toward the positive... and when voltage reach the 0 the current reach the maximun speed and than by the back emf created, it reverses its direction and start to accelerate in the reversed direction...
if you apply voltage to an inductor it will make the electrons flow thru its wire and this movement create a magnetic field on the inductor witch is oposed by the permeability of the free space and + that of the core... is mutch like inertia... thus creating bemf. Like a spring geting compressed full of energy than liberating this energy...
A capacitor instead
Have current leading the voltage, because the voltage in a capacitor will be the result of the accumulation of charges so it need to accumulate before you have a voltage... ~so current leads voltage...
Is good to remember that voltage is not movement but potential, and current is movement and not potential...
So when all the potential is given to a body it will have its max speed and when this body climbs up the capacitor mountain it will have its potential back.
So when voltage is applied to a capacitor current start to deaccelerate until it reach the min while voltage reached the maximun...
In the inductor current start to accelerate until max speed is reached and just like a spring reverses the direction and start accelerating again in the other direction....
This make me think that meyer maybe was using the vic as a mean of apply voltage to the water ions while not allowing the water to charge than this current that were to start charging the capacitor is redirected to it some how... (probably at 90° phase)
just figured this 12v divided by 0,2 amps = 60ohms
now i just puted some calculations and let the secondary be 60ohms if the primary is 6ohm i have about 3 of transformation factor... just what stan said. 12v 2 amps...
I think that if water reach more than 50 volts it will start to self ionize more and discharge on the primary creating a resonant charging effect that will take voltages up to kilovolts...
Notice that the primary being 6ohms while water is 60ohm... if water have 100 volts and discharge thru the 6ohm impedance and have a certain capacitance lets say 1,5 nf we will have a time that it will discharge... but initially would be a discharge of 100v divided by 6 ohm thus 18amps ... this being applied on the primary witch will induce this energy as voltage ... something like that
if the water was more pure i would have more ohms thus i could have greater voltage transformation ratios.
i thought like this the primary could be the path of discharge of the water... mutch like a RC oscilation... the secondary and charging choke, charges the water and the primary discharges it...
I will try it right now. with a toroidal transformer i have here already...