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If we could just know how true can be the theory i think we would have a big surprise...
I thought about it because of what steve said about having 30% gain using the ionizer...
Than i remembered about the lesson in the university that i got for coincidence and a video about electrostatic induction on youtube

http://regentsprep.org/Regents/physics/phys03/aeleclab/induct.htm


I'm going tomorrow to the chemistry institute just to ask if that molecules are possible possible...

Thank you Haithar for the unity

Regards to all

thinking about that

if we assume the exhaust could be OH ions there would be a strange gain in volume because there would be more molecules at the output, maybe this would give more" thermal energy expansion " i was thinking that if we could burn H2 + O we would have H20 output however if we burn H2+2O   then output would be -OH + -OH the double of oxygens would interact in the combustion chamber... What do you think about Maybe this -OH's need a bit of photon energy to reach an equilibrium and become water again.... aka re energize...

Hi steve

That was my guess of the day,

tutanka keeps talking about pure water and nitrogen and meyer only showed once the N atoms ...
Do you think there might be something strange?

Today i had a lesson about capacitance and i learned how to make the cylindrical capacitance calculation too i guess... being everything in meters i believe would be better than parallel plates being rods inside ... the one with a b and ln ...

ln is a function opposite to the exponential one...

That are divide by ten, he firstly generate a frequency and than divide by ten by 100x by 1000 ... or other 2x 4x  ...

I tried that already, is useful... it gives you very low to high frequency range, with 50% duty cycle 

Hi steve i think not the only way to create ions inside pure water without electrolyte is to adding something like a catalyst maybe palladium witch can absorb hydrogen creating ions inside the water without being destructed, than high amp resonance ... boom

Hello guys

I think i found something...

Meyer said

" and the water de-energized will go to the atmosphere and be again energized by the incoming sun rays...

What if he was having at his exhaust:

OH-
or H3O+
or something like that

What do you think is the energy needed to break this into h2 again if it is already at 600°C?

Do you know that at this temperature there is laser energy everywhere, IR energy... ?

What if the magnetic fields could change the attraction forces witch holds the molecule together?

5000 gauss magnetic field a neodymium magnet can provide easily...even more and it would lose its magnetism only if get too hot...

Meyer used a heat sink...

Just some food for your thoughts

Some Quantum Chemistry would make lot of good to you guys
also
Atomic and Molecular Physics

Regards

Hi Donald
Its Because i calculated an injection timing of only 2ms

I calculated like this:

At 7000 rpm you have in a four cycle engine 3500 injections per injector. ( Rpm / 2 rotations per complete 4 cycles )

This gives us 58,3333 injections per second (Injections per minute / 60 seconds)

Than this mean that every 0,01714286 seconds you have a new injection ( 1 second / 58,33 injections per second)

I than divided this by 4 because there is 4 cycles and that gave me 0,004285717 seconds or 4,2 ms to complete each cycle

I considered than that in my injection cycle you will inject only during half of the movement when the piston is coming down so i divided it again by 2  so 2 ms

Than i calculated 1 second / 0,002 = 500 than i multiplied this for 7,4 ul and i got the result that if the solenoid remain open for 1 second 3,7ml of water would flow.

I did this to simplify the question

How much pressure must a bomb develop or must be developed inside a water tank to make 3,7ml of water to pass thru a hole of 0,4mm diameter every second.

This will tell us the pressure we need to keep inside the tank or the pump pressure we are going to need for we can get the injector to work.

The speed the water will reach is easy to calculate:

The hole having 0,4mm of diameter and for say 6 cm of length give us a volume = to 0,0075396ml so if we are going to fill it with 7,4ul of water in a cycle of 0,002 seconds this mean it will fill 0nly 98% for each cycle. but this means that water will need to run over 6cm in only 0,002 seconds. than is easy I got 6/0,002*0,98 and that gave me the resultant water speed 2944 cm per second. This is only the start!

The formula was actually water speed = length in cm divided by injection time in seconds*(volume of water to be injected - volume of the hole (tube...))

The volume of a cylinder in ml is  = 3,14*((Diameter in mm/2/10)^2)*length in cm
 
Hope now is clear =)
 

I believe the way to create this magnetic field will be with a coil around. Once i saw a meyers drawing of the injector with the coild around it. Only once.
His drawings of the electrodes aways remind me permanent magnets, Aways orientation check it. Yesterday i was thinking about pressure and flow and big bang! I first tried some numbers, and guess what? i took a look on the canadian injector patent and the size of the holes proposed by him were the same i was guessing, He mention 125 psi pump. It was well protected... Now is free! Fortunately 

The electron gun had coils too.

His work is based on MHD magneto hydro dynamics domain of plasma physics. Look for it on the mit site. Is the basics of the basics of power generation!!!!!!!! Is just like a generator works! http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/index.htm

Even the resonant cavity works with this principle.

The pressure i believe meyer used the Famous steam resonator to create or the water pump. The volume of water to displace is very small.

I didn't ran a car on water yet =( but soon is exactly what i want to do! i'm just short of money now and to design it well and make the pieces will cost a bit. But won't be too expensive for scale production hopefully!

Well good news!

Thank you all for being part of it!

Hope to finish this soon!

I think the ionizer works much the same way. not sure yet!

Best regards!

Hello you all i'm coming up right now with info that anyone though before!
I solved the injector!

What happens when a conductor moves cutting a magnetic field?
A voltage is developed! in a direction 90° from the magnetic field lines and 90° from the movement!
What happen when we have water under a very high pressure and make it to pass thru a 0,40 mm diameter hole?
It will pass thru it at a very high speed!
water is not conductive thus ( the ionized gases were needed in the injector to create the conduction )
Lets say you have a 0,40 mm hole 6cm long (it will have a volume = to 7,5 ul ( the amount stan said was injecting for each injection cycle in each cylinder) accordingly to the volume of a cylinder calculation =((diameter/2)^2)*High)
Now you need to inject it in only 2ms what will be the speed of the water?
answer (6cm/0,002)*(7,5-7,4) ((volume of the tube - the amount of water to be injected) (this result is = to how many times the tube will fill per injection) well the result is almost 3000cm/sec
Now if you cut a magnetic flux of 15.000 gauss with water at this speed you will develop 1,7volts witch together with the ionized gas and a catalyzer element and resonance will actually crack the water!!!

Enjoy Freedom!

Now you just need to develop a certain pressure inside the tank, (only about 4 liters of water will be consumed in one hour thus even very high pressure will cost very low energy) and solenoids to do all the work...
What about this?
after 2010 years we can again walk on water...haha
Best Regards to you all
Donations are welcome! you find link on my you tube channel

Did you know that 7,4 ul of water = 13ml of gas  h2+02 witch represents 3,33% of the 400cc cylinders meyer were using.

Yes he used positively ionized ambient gas...

He created the injectors to simplify and lower the costs

Hi dankie

I believe energetic forum is not as good as here, there are more posts but full of shit too. Here we at least have serious people really interested and doing some experiments and sharing ideas and findings. There you find only unilateral ways of thinking.

I hope you can keep doing your research and keep working on it, you are young and we will need young people in this world. Study a lot, read a lot, work a lot and try to put some money together. Don't let anyone make you fell down. Don't expect anything from the people, you will only fell bad (disappointed) when you see people can't help you or give you the attention you believe to deserve. Don't waste time fighting for points of view. Be very professional and nobody can say nothing about you. Be the best you can always. Every little thing is going to be alright. 

I hope all the best for you and all the others and hope you can do a great job with your new oscillator. If it don't work big deal you just found a new very important information, another way that wont work. Don't let this make you feel down, Instead remember that doing anything you are aways learning and what you learned can be useful in the future to understand new things and to be able to do many other things.

All the best
sebos

nice that you enjoyed man wish you good lucky .


I'm not sure what the phonons can do to the gas but he clearly described that the velocity of sound in a gas depends on its temperature and its mass. Velocity in meters per second = square root of temperature/mass 

in common air is 340 meters /second

More very good info in this wapedia:
 info is much better than wiki

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Particle_accelerator

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ion_source

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Ozone

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Sonic_spray_ionization

Yes dankie it is...

The acceleration of the particles depends on the voltage. I learned this when I studied about the photoelectric effect. And collision.

Basically  An electron will gain kinetic energy when it fly towards a positive electric field. The gain in ev ( speed in meters per second) will be equal to the electric field voltage. It will gain 1 ev per volt in the electric field. Is like gravity acceleration (force) so ^2 squared.

I believe charged particles do the same but as they are atoms not only electrons they polarize second to the voltage field is close to it. I mean like the ping pong ball. When it charges positively its repelled by the positive field and attracted by the negative field, when it comes closer to the negative field it again change its polarity and is repelled by negative and attracted by the positive. As it have a bigger mass probably the acceleration will be less than 1ev per v. Will depend on the charge of the particle and its weight.

This would be the principle behind particle oscillation as energy generator

So i though time ago if i can accelerate the articles or electrons up to high ev i could ionize the oxygen like meyer said by collision.

To obtain free electrons i plained to use laser and a low working function electrode.

As i had no money to test this i didn't proceed to test it.

What i'm not sure is, if the electrons or charged particles touch the electrodes or the electric field, the voltage will discharge to some degree or not.

Stan stated an electric field could do work while not being consumed.

i don't know if the charged particle will change polarity when touch the electrode discharging it or if this transition of charge will happen like between the electrodes....

The wave guide stan showed us i believe that is the same as the particle movement during its travel in between the voltage zones. it goes like this because or of the movement of the flow of the gas or water or whatever he was using.

Now thinking about how could this work in true system we need to understand how many charges we need to have to do to achieve what he was doing. I think is a very big number from my calculations.

Charged particles are also influenced by magnetic field...

somewhere i read the particles would start to spin in a certain condition. Like a vortex that meyer showed.  I don't remember where is the document (it was an university document).

so here some info on particle acceleration and a simulator very nice.

http://agni.phys.iit.edu/~vpa/dcacceleration.html
http://www.pelletron.com/tutor.htm
simulation:
http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/sims.php?sim=Photoelectric_Effect

If you remember the wave guides he shown WWWWWWWWWWW   it is = to the movement of the ping pong ball

So basically the frequency of this wave (and acceleration of particles) will depend on the water or gas density spacing between the plates and the ion current that will flow. I see application for this only with the injector, steam resonator and or his hyperdrive technology. Don't believe it can do other than hot water in a cell under water... 

I can be wrong...
 
It is useful in the epg and gas processor too.

I think that watching to these two videos you are going to be able to understand what meyer meant by particle oscillation as energy generator. And probably how his gas got exited...

This principle can help us to understand how to accelerate the gas inside the epg. How to maintain it ionized and if you come back to resonance also how to do it economically... Remember that stan said that he multiplied the frequency by 2 so full wave bridge rectifier. For this case...  I believe it can really work and that can be too dangerous so attention working on this...
 



http://techtv.mit.edu/videos/1049-conducting-ping-pong-ball-between-capacitor-plates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndYrNn3EK28&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omwHv3Cmog&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=C2CEECFD938FD494

I think wont expand that much if the energy goes into the oxygen as electrical attraction form if it was heated it would expand for sure. But being o2 or oo should not give very big difference.

The thermal energy comes from the burning. The gain comes from this greater attraction that creates a bigger impact.

If you would just heat the gas you would give it energy but it would have expansion and thus you could have less energy coming out from a motor as the density would be lower...

Anyway i think we should just focus now on the energy source for now.

The thermal energy he invented was to need less water to do the same work. But the energy to add this thermal energy to the water must come from somewhere and thats the subject of this thread.

Regards

Another source of energy is the heat produced on the engine. this could give us a better efficiency when leading with the work done by the movement of the gas...

I calculated to boil one liter of water you only need about 100 watts. So we need to understand well the expansion thing and how many energy it can create.

I was thinking on how to calculate the magnetic field per charged particle we could harvest but is very hard to work with some formulas Maxwell...

if you note the fig 6

the electrodes are drawn in a certain way witch in other patents are described as permanent  magnets (with the lines in 45° inclination. And it indicates attracting force. If you look to all other drawings is the same. _The only different is the steam resonator ones...

So again something that talks to me and say he used magnetic electrodes (maybe)

The magnetic field will depend on the inductance and the current that is passing thru the water. and will be relatively small. the capacitance of the water would higher than the inductance so water behave as a capacitor...

Steve the pictures you upload shows how the thermal energy is obtained.

Stan explains that the oxygen missing 4 electrons ... being a big atom and positively charged (potential energy added) will want to stabilize and when the spark start the explosion (chain reaction) what happens is that oxygen missing electrons attracts the hydrogen that is relatively small and having only one electron, with more violence releasing thermal energy = to the impact of the atoms. The gain is in kinetic energy. Or heat. Theoretically this holds.

YEs to ionize the h2 is harder because its electron seats on the first orbital thus is very strong attracted by the nuclei.

If you use magnetic field you can slow down or raise the velocity spin of the electrons making it to come closer to the nuclei or far from the nuclei. laser energy can do it too in somehow. He says the nuclei absorbs energy, meyer pictures shows it... 

I don't know if the nitrogen is involved that much, in this principle. Nitrogen is important only as flame retardant to reduce the combustion speed second my thoughts.

I believe that he had constant pressure from his cell so he just mixed the gas switching with a butterfly valve between air and exhaust to control acceleration. Air for maximum acceleration and exhaust for idling. Obviously he might have limited also the resonant action to a certain degree in somehow as to have a increase in gas production in relation to rpm. I'm still working on that to find some more answers.

I'm happy that you enjoyed!
 

Stevie I was reading this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field and found that charged particles have a magnetic field. Ions... Ionized gas...

Probably we need to ionize the gas before it pass thru the tube. Or maybe only the magnets will do the job. I'm happy to say that I don't know yet.

Lets find out!
 

The patent stan cited is in the first post

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/electrodynamicgas.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MHD_generator
http://www.authorstream.com/presentation/samstudd99-74951-magneto-hydrodynamic-system-mhd-education-ppt-powerpoint/
http://www.linux-host.org/energy/smhd.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field

The ionized gas have to do with it the rest no its not related to this

He uses the pressure developed from the cell to generate electricity (or doing work)

He magnetizes the gas and harvest energy from the movement of the continuos expanding gas. (basic principle of dc generation) Generating electrical energy that is used in closed loop (resonance) with the cell, generating more gas and consequentially generating more electricity and so on.

The multiplication factor will depends on how efficient will be the generation of electricity from the expansion. If you can have 80% efficiency you will have a over unity factor of 5. if you have 99% efficiency you will have over unity 99.

To calculate this you need to remember the Q factor calculation in electrical resonance.

Lets take the first example

if you input 1000 watts  you have
80%= 800 watts that will generate more  gas than
80% from 800= 640 that will generate more gas
and so on...
Than you have 1000+800+640+...= 5000watts output in h2 02

in the second example

if you input 1000 watts  you have
99% = 990 watts that will generate more  gas than
99% from 990= 980 that will generate more gas
and so on.
Than you have 1000+990+980+...= 99.000 watts  output in h2 02