sebosfato

well i would need more info.. if you can post here everything you found about it would be great. Thanks


sebs

Well my question is, how to?


Thanks

Compliments tony. 

I think the scanning circuit can work much faster than 3 sec.


I think that i drop into something here check this out and tell me what you think.


What if we make tx2 + tx4 (mutual coupling) = to tx5 coil


(tx5 is field adding too)


So now we have two coils of equal length.


they converge where the tx5 meets tx2 and in the tubes.  (a diode could be used there to block the discharge in reverse polarity but maybe is not needed, however stan used this in the vic sink circuit.


If you make the outside capacitance to be connected to this point where tx5 meets tx2 you close a unipolar resonant pulsing core. And i explain to you why.


When the pulse is first applied there will be B+ in the cell and a B-  But the outside container will be at 0v relative to both potentials. Obviously will be more positive than the negative and more negative than the positive. Now if you think of the diode you will notice that when the pulse terminates I think that the positive will become negative source of electrons so they will go toward the 0v... creating another pulse of same polarity...


Would be useful to add another coil in a separated induction core between the vic and the outside of the cell so you can reduce the frequency while not changing the ratio between the tx coils. i think that would be what stan call the amp inhibiting coil. Also in the alternator.


I noticed some similarities...


I think that both chokes and the secondary acts not only as secondary but as a primary also during pulsing operations, inducing and being induced, the diode and the configuration allow the field to be unipolar therefore never changing direction if at resonance, varying the flux still by the pulses and resonance itself but never changing direction.


would be clear that a way to detect if there is bipolar pulses would be a good way to detect resonance. But i still think that this could be only used as a reset, cause the best way to have a nice feedback would be to get it from a current transformer, or a coil wounded in the bipolar resonating coil tx6 amp inhibiting coil.


The tx5 i supposed that should be little bigger than the other two cause this would encourages the discharge to come thru the other electrode. Well, i don't know, need to do more experiments. Tomorrow i will try some other things. Maybe thats why he talked about acomodating to the contaminants of the water. Maybe depending on the water the tx5 coil must be bigger or smaller than tx2+tx4 and also both this could maybe need or not other coil configurations....




So
tx1 primary
tx2 secondary (having its positive connected to a diode D1 and the negative connected to the positive of the tx5 choke thru a diode or not)
tx3 pulse indicator coil
tx4 resonant changing choke, (the diode D1 coming from secondary positive is connected to the negative side of the tx4 choke, the positive side is connected than to the outer tube )
tx5 resonant charging choke (have its negative side connected to the inner tube, and its positive connected to a diode D2 witch is than serially connected to the negative side of the secondary and to tx6 coil.
tx6 amp inhibiting coil (in a separated core) connected between the point where tx2 negative side and the diode D2 meets and also connected to the earth ground.
tx7 tuning variable coil (connected between tx5 coil and the cell)
 
The cell must have a copper foil around it to form the resonant capacitor. This copper foil is connected to earth ground to complete the resonant circuit. 


The tx6 coil could have a section of the primary wounded on it, this would help to neutralize the voltage for the next pulse.


thats all folks


BR

I also used a capacitor like that for my resonant scanning circuit =)

I think was a great hint, in the sense that what he was doing was related to electrostatics (something you learn at school) and simple electronics (transformer, pll)... thats why he said keep it simple stupid, is not rocket science, you don't need to go calculate the quarks in each water molecule, you just need to apply high voltage fields and achieve resonance... Go for simple tasks...


I believe that the process is of very sophisticated simplicity, and the way it breaks the physics laws using its most elementary concepts is beautiful. And when will be clear to the humanity how simple was the process that everyone will become revolutionary. Why anyone thought of this before? Actually someone did, but was stop because of bigger interests.. The 1° world revolution.


Sebs

The high amperage rating is because you will have very high frequency and therefore the capacitance of the diode must discharge and will discharge in the diode itself, if your diode don't support the amperage of the discharges it will get too hot and blowout. I used 3 4007 diodes in parallel and work fine in the vic...

Tonny, the charging circuit eliminates the limitation of the ratio, Because you start to have what is called a current source... The voltage of the secondary will be high but the charging choke can let you charge the capaxitor up to 100kv even if is not this ratio between the primary and secondary, depends only on the losses..


I was thinking to buy a polipropilene tube to make the cell in it.. _This would allow very high voltage. Basically the capacitance of the cell must be greater than the self capacitance of the resonant coil...


 

I'm constructing a new pll witch i'm going to use only high speed 5v htc chips and i'm going to solder the ics directly in the board to minimize the capacitance between the pins. My breadboard worked really strange.. I found that the potentiometer was broken but i decided to construct a soldered circuit cause i'm not sure if the problem was exclusively the potentiometer, i lost a couple of days.. ... The gate circuit i'm going to use the one i already have working... I will put everything in a closed box to act as a faraday cage.. to try have some more stability...


I need to buy some more pieces but i'm out of money and is carnival here all store are closed like in led Zeppelin song. 


I condensed the pll the high speed nor gate the driver the voltage regulators and a frequency divider this board will have 1 potentiometer... It will also have the lock in indicator circuit all in the same board. 


I'm thinking to use a connector where i will connect all the things that interacts with the circuit so i can easily take it out of the box like potentiometers leds inputs and outputs.


Lot of work here soldering... The board is 2inches X two inches.
=)

I mean the Q8 and Q9 transistors.. hehe  but the first schematic is ok, is the same as mine one, but i tell you that i only found this when i had already solved the pll... so is coincidentally perfectly equal... but I prefer my new one.

Bubs the doubling means that you will input pulse 50% duty and you will have that same frequency bur flipping polarity, therefore if you was going to full wave rectify you would get a double frequency, but happens that the vic does not need a full wave bridge cause of the phase of the resonance in relation to the pulse, so only at the resonant frequency you will see the frequency doubling..

I believe that the water was completely insulated, so it could maintain the charge (so as the pump necessarily). The fact that he makes it circulate is because of the reason he gave us, when a charged particle cross an electric field the result is electromagnetic energy. So he could avoid lasers for example... The earth or ground that i'm talking about is called by meyer isolated ground... thats why...


But yet from this doesn't mean that the electrical insulated ground is in contact with the water... with thus i believe is not. So for me this forms the resonant ability cavity.


I'm not sure if the water was recirculated back in the tank but could be, as could also be there recirculating and water being added according to the level in the cavity... not sure about that...


So what i'm saying is that no electrode inside the water is electrically connected direct to the ground only thru the coil or dielectric (forming the capacitance) therefore forming the resonant tank.


Yes water will hold up a very big charge (big capacity), if it sits in an insulated housing...

What would also makes sense is if the 56 or tx4 choke is made of resistive wire or at least a wire with smaller gauge so you can induce a higher voltage in it cause of the resonance of the tuned coil.


Maybe the jumps could be than related to what meyer said about inconsistencies of the water and called i think out of resonant conditions witch the pll should take over and correct the frequency immediately. Maybe is one of the reasons for the gating...


I think the 62 is a tuned "resonant" choke and 56 a charging choke. 

Hi Don,


So in the end there were independent positives? Still valid if so... Do you still have access to his equipment?


Thanks again.


Fabio

Kalli,


Maybe the jumps you mean happens cause of saturation of the core, therefore reducing the inductance and suddenly changing the resonant frequency.. could be other things too..

hello kali, if you make a simple diagram of what you are doing i could try help understand what is happening.. from your description i don't know exactly what are you measuring or doing...

Man The capacitance and coupling of the chokes is important cause when in resonance, the tuned coil will induce the double frequency pulse in the secondary and the choke so they must have a good coupling, thats why a closed loop core.


I made my vic in such a way that i can charge the coupling changing the distance between the laminations. I described it in my thread...


The double layer is just a name, is the same thing we were talking about related to separation of the ions by the electric fields..

Tony i highly recommend to you reading all my last posts.


And possibly the all new thread too.


You are in the right way but you are not yet there. Yes the currents will go in opposite directions. The thing is that both cols will have a positive on its extremity going to the water. Therefore the voltage between the tubes is actually not very high initially but will be very high in relation to the ground reference. The thing is that the resonating coil, having impedance will restrict the current making the (plastic) capacitor to get charged, than after the pulse ends the plastic discharge into the water thru the coil generating the second pulse. When this second pulse happens the polarity changes and the " negative tube than become negative. And thats why the current get 180° out of phase.


The capacitor have an negative impedance therefore it charges instead of letting the current flow thru the coil.


you see?


Basically he puts two positives inside the water but than one of the positives flips and become negative!

I would go for what stan said, oriented grain electrical steel laminations. This is made to work at high frequencies.


Otherwise you could use amorphous laminations witch is even better.

Radiant,

Yes, the thing is to go for complete electrical isolation. This way you can provide way to take the electrons out of the water while not allowing them to leak from ground back into it. So you can give to the water a net charge that interacts at atomic levels changing the time share rate of the electrons witch in turn switch off the covalent bounding.


The amp consuming device could be a lamp or a heating element but would work even better if you are able to complicate it in the right way. 


If the positivity of the water is feed back into the primary thru a switching diode a positive feedback would result cause thru the ground not only the electrons going to the battery will go the positive side of the battery but extra electrons must pass thru the primary to stabilize the water.


This would create a positive feedback. Resonance.


Stan said that the electricity of the water (water as energy source) could be than go to the primary than restrict the amps allow voltage to take over... So it become a self oscillating system and works till there is water in the bucket.