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i will try to do the test tomorrow. i will work all the night to put the circuit to work and so i will check if it will work..  I just don't have oscilloscope so is bit difficult but i will do it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

100$ would be very nice =) Actually if you could send me a nice igbt module maybe 300 amps 1200 volts would be nice too =)


I already have a toroidal vic and i just need to get the 18 tubes and solder it...


I will make a drawing for you:

Keeping the series of this mind blowing information:


The electrical polarization process = Charge up the water dielectric to create coulomb force witch will make each ion to go toward it's attracting electrode.


Steve do you remember what you called back emf of water after a pulse?


Is the ions electricity!!!!!!!


So you need to discharge the electrodes with reversed polarity into a capacitor!


Meyer was doing exactly what i was going to do with the theory that i got. But he instead of using permanent magnets and a pump to separate the charge, he used the vic coils.. Meyer also used the cells in series for the discharge so he could use rectifiers 10 times less rated in amperage than i would need with my design. However because of this the gas will need to be generated together witch is the price to pay...


I'm really exited, i feel like beavis and butthead when beavis eat a lot of sugar and coffee. hahahaha


Hope you are understanding what i'm saying.... 

Hello Tony i'm not planing to use the tube but manny manny plates in parallel divided in two cells each one with a membrane... this cells are triggered by high power igbts to short the ions electricity into the capacitor for further usage. the electricity will be generated by using a pump to circulate the water into magnetic fields this will assure that the ions get the right side of the membrane than when there is enough voltage just shot it into the capacitor generating h2 and o2 as result and using the remained electricity to help the next cycle...

I guess meyer used the alternator as a high current low voltage generator, he probably modified the alternator to generate around maybe 10000 amps at around 0,1volts substituting the coils for copper bars...




I say this because today i went to the library where the only copy of the 60's tomlin's book is located here in Br. And i just found that the pump is one of the most important things on the circuit, cause it together with magnetic or electric fields are able to cause physical separation of the h+ and 0h- ions. The electron extraction circuit is nothing more than a way to short this "battery" and than you would need only the huge low tension charge to simply convert the h+ ions into h2...


I already know a way to do this generating the h2 separately from the o2 but i'm trying yet to figure out how meyer did the both gases together as it is way harder... I'm guessing that he used electric fields instead of magnetic but i'm not yet sure how..


Guys the solution was over there for more than 60 years in a book... Do you believe?

If i was anywhere in U.S. I would certainly be there personally tomorrow
Any of you could go check this? Who here live closer to them?









Regards

I had this amperage at real resonance using inductor and resonant capacitor in parallel having the tube in the middle actually were a couple of tubes and a couple of diodes in antiparallel configuration. Probably if i have used very high area on the electrodes would be possible to not use the naoh...


My girlfriend got killed in a strange car accident this weekend in italy. i'm really really sad with this.


Reagards   

Thanks for the correction mina.


Best regards

Dankie,


motors that use 600v ok


but


Resonant cell with the need to rectify 10000 amps at 10kv would have so much losses with the diodes that no over unity could actually happen. Losses are amperage squared times resistance...


Hope you see that if you can stop wasting maybe 1000watts with diodes losses lowering it to about 50w is a big deal. However things will certainly start to get very expensive. Is the cost of efficiency.


I didn't said you don't know what you are talking about and of course active rectifiers are used in low power too but not only.


Ok


Best Regards

Dankie,


Do you agree that the resistance of two diodes in parallel is the same as 1 single diode? Do you agree that the heat losses will be the same having one or two or three diodes in parallel?


There active rectifiers makes the difference! Reduce Losses!!!


If you connect two mosfets or igbts in parallel you half the losses, if you connect 4 you have 4 times less losses in comparison to use only one. 


you see?


Gud luck

Hello,


Is easy to know if water will become liquid again or if it will become steam, however there is still a problem related to the relation between temperature/pressure/state      but  ... Lets calculate it together...


Knowing that 1 mole of water totalize 1 mole of hydrogen H2 + 1/2 mole of oxygen O2 and that it means 18g of water, and that water have a specific heat that makes that 1g water raise _1__ degrees Celsius ° applying to it __1__ calories, and also knowing that water to change state (liquid to gas) needs yet another + amount of energy.   40kj per gram
 
1° how much energy 1 mole of hydrogen H2 + 1/2 mole of oxygen O2 reforming into water release? What is the heat of forming of water?
H2(g)  +   1/2 O2 (g)  H2O (g)
The heat of formation of water vapor is -241.8 kJ. (Why is this negative? - heat isreleased!)


2° Conversion kJ x cal

241.9 kJ = 57766.7 cal

So reforming 1 mole of water witch is 18g releases 57766.7 calories



3° 57766.7 cal divided by 18 grams should raise the temperature of water of 3.209° Celcius 



Therefore as water was previously gas before exploding i really think that it will become only superheated steam... 
 
However lets calculate further ...

Hi dankie


thanks for the contribution is of very good value =) thanks really!


This absorption he talks about i believe is the same the palladium have with hydrogen. Switch off covalent bound by catalytic modification in the molecular shape... But only the right material can absorb the right amount. Palladium is 5 times better than barium and manganese oxide read somewhere.


Regards
 

Aways good to remember, if you try to do this to be extremely careful. if you touch the inductor terminations during operation you could really burn 2kv 20 amps are = to 40kwatts discharge into you. You will die if touch. so please too much careful!!!!!!

I'm still thinking about this vibration transformer and i just found a good way for doing it..


A plexiglass tube (maybe 3 cm diameter 10 cm long) with a coil outside, in the inside a cylindrical or ball permanent magnet (some oil could be added to reduce friction and also this tube could be under vacuum to reduce air drag too) and at the top and bottom fixed springs or permanent magnets with reverse polarity to the face of the in magnet...


The coil should have a very big inductance in my opinion as to have a frequency not too high to allow big vibration. However this inductor should have a big Q factor. Than a capacitor hand rolled should be added in parallel. All this could be driven with a vic coil... 


The load could be implemented in parallel to the circuit or in series However in my imagination in parallel would be better and using an igbt with a control circuit witch would allow to conduct fpr some ms when the tank is full to not totally discharge the tank during operation...


There is a need to design it well to know the weight for calculating the spring constants of the magnets to find the frequency witch they will vibrate.
This way is possible to roll the capacitor for the right R frequency.


Amps should be kept small i think and voltage big...


The spring constant will depend on the weight and is similar to the resonant frequency calculation of a tank circuit = 1/( 2PIsqrt(mass/K))




The tank should operate at 2kv maybe 10 or 20 amps... (recirculating)


The input power should be around 2kv 100ma or less


Maybe a spark gap will be needed too for limiting the voltage


(it seems to me in my mind like donald L smith devices...) don't know why
Regards

Yes man is about this kind of vibration i'm talking about.

Guys i had a kind of idea of what were inside stan black box.


Read with much attention!


1° Magnetic Force is not consumed from a permanent magnet in a generator.


2° A generator comprise a way to move a magnetic field in relation to an inductor to generate electricity. To move this field we use to add mechanic energy.


3° Electromagnets can create a magnetic force or magnetic flux.


4° with an electromagnet you can raise a car using a machine (the car sticks to it)


5° the energy needed to stick the car to the coil is far less than that to raise it.


A transformer works by applying energy in the primary to align the magnetic domains in the core inducing thus by lenz force a current in the  secondary.


The idea come from how speakers work.


I had a problem with a twitter yesterday in my studio monitor, it just blowed out. I opened it to try repairing it and i found out that it need the same wire i bough long ago to construct the vic's. Coincidence? Today i was in a mechanical physics lesson and in a power lesson the teacher mentioned in some moment by case the word spring. Bang...


I thought...


In a resonant circuit we have at resonance maximum voltage and current (force) and current lags voltage so the (dissipated) power is lower than the reactive power circulating in the circuit. (voltage and current are out of phase)


I already build on the past a resonant tank that circulated 10000watts using about 100 to do so..


bla bla bla where you want to arrive sebos???


What i want to create is a kind of vibrational double resonant transformer that would use the force of the magnetic field created in a coil witch belong to a tank circuit to vibrate a magnet witch is held by springs that also have a certain resonance frequency witch move the magnet in relation to the coil generating energy.


I thought of a different way to do it.


I would need a wood box constructed to vibrate at a certain frequency (resonant cavity for real) and to position a sub woofer speaker running the same frequency with a parallel capacitor and the water cell in series with the thing...


Basically the inductor preferably or the magnet should be fix to allow the other to vibrate. This vibration would induce a current in the same or other coil.


I have reasons to believe that the energy output will be far greater than the input and probably dependent on voltage developed thus inductance of the coils ... and the frequency.... . Probably there might exist the need to use bifilar coil to get this energy out useable and clean.
 
The spring light came from the patent from saint german about worm hole generator. ( however he don't talk of physical springs only universal spring constant and a strange fig of coils integrals and bla bla bla... 


 


 
 

Steve it's incredible this seems a confirmation of my theory!

"Gerardine Botte of Ohio University uses an electrolytic approach to produce hydrogen from urine - the most abundant waste on Earth - at a fraction of the cost of producing hydrogen from water.
Urine's major constituent is urea, which incorporates four hydrogen atoms per molecule - importantly, less tightly bonded than the hydrogen atoms in water molecules.
Botte uses electrolysis to break the molecule apart, developing an inexpensive new nickel-based electrode to selectively and efficiently oxidise the urea. To break the molecule down, a voltage of 0.37V needs to be applied across the cell - much less than the 1.23V needed to split water.
Her work is described in the Royal Society of Chemistry journal Chemical Communications.
“During the electrochemical process the urea gets adsorbed on to the nickel electrode surface, which passes the electrons needed to break up the molecule,” Botte told Chemistry World."

http://www.physorg.com/news165836803.html

There is still another thing i thought today...

Its about ionization.

Today in a chemistry lesson I learned about acids. I learned that an acid will dissociate in aqueous solution into hydrogen ions H3O+ and Anions example H2SO4- will dissociate into 2H+ and SO4- Anion.

Ok why is it related?

Do you remember when i said that we could just need to find a way to pass the amperage thru the water at a lower than 1,23 volts for it to be overunity?
 
Well i noticed some relation to the ionization of the water mentioned and all that 4th stage of ionization (myth) with cations or anions with charges of +4 or -4

For example in my tests with the cell in series with the "tank" i got the min voltage across the cell to be 1,44 volts and i was using steel electrodes. I was using NaOH- witch is a base and dissociate forming OH- ions and Na+ cations.

The periodic table is very magic and it have cool proprieties witch allow us to know the propriety the element have accordingly to its position. Things like electronegativity, Atomic weight, size, How much electrons it can gain or lose... For example all the elements on the left column (excluding H) are called bases metals and they only link with 1 electron pair thats why NaOH-.  +-

What i'm thinking is that meyer said clearly that stainless steel was indispensable and that faraday would have not discovered his process because there was no stainless steel at his time.

This lead us to think two things

1° that he was using an acid as electrolyte ( as it wont corrode stainless steel) ( he also affirmed that ( because it would not take part into the reaction or something like that)
2° that he was using ultra pure water and didn't wanted it to dissolve iron ions..

The second is less supported by info we have however...

My teacher said that there are acids and cations that can have up to 4+ charge and 4- charge...

That took my attention!

What if a combination of acids and or bases and salts could switch of the covalent bounding???
What if some acid that would attack steel or iron witch were the electrodes faraday had at his time could change the parameters of electrolysis allowing lower voltage to be applied?.

Ferrocianidric acid dissociates into -4 ions and some other 6 acids

phosphoric acid dissociate into -2 or -3 ions (not sure now need to open the book now)

Barium hydroxide dissociate into 2+ i guess

and so on

What i would like to do is to rebuild my "tank" setup with different cells electrodes shapes materials and configurations and acids bases and salts in all possible proportions to check if have something to do with it.

Regards

New theory about Stanley High voltage Water dissociation:

A Parallel Resonant Circuit herein called tank circuit by its ability to Recirculate and accumulate power in it self, Is known to have also very high impedance at the resonant frequency.

Stan told us that he was using only voltage to break water and that to do so he needed to restrict the current...

While I was doing all my tests about the resonant tank i tried to add to the tank in series and in parallel the cell for trying to generate the h2. I did a many tests as I could imagine and that my and collaborators money allowed me. However just came to my mind something i couldn't and didn't had the idea to test. And Is based on the proposed EEC diagram that meyer posted.

The idea Is all about to charge a resonant tank and than to discharge the tank energy into the water in a particular way.

I will explain better:

Inductance for the more it can behave like a short circuit because of it's low ohmic resistance on its wires, is far less "short circuit" than a Capacitor. Capacitors have negative impedance and it behave like a vacuum sealed compartment that when you open, immediately is replenished with air, capacitors replenish with charge and thats why it is more short than an inductance.

What i'm proposing is.

1° charge resonant tank
2° disconnect the capacitor from the tank when the energy is concentrated into the coil
3° connect or close the circuit (inductance) into the water cell having distilled water there.

Why this could be different?

He clearly said that restrict the current was needed and repeatedly claimed  inductance was going to do it.

Point of greatest importance:

A capacitor discharge, discharge all its energy with negative impedance.
An inductance would discharge its energy restricting the current with its positive reactance. (not allowing the current to discharge all in once)

That could change the things as it would really create an electric field that could make physical work on the water. 

What do you think about?

Participate Answering to the pool and proposing circuit simulation that could help with this. Edit your older posts cleaning useless informations to help the thread to be organized and clear enough for a first time reader. OK?
Thanks
Best Regards

today I was thinking that meyer didn't generated too much hydrogen.
I was thinking about the numbers meyer gave to us and was relating it to cold fusion. 

I think that he was transforming the neutron on the deuteron percentage in the water into helium and energy by creating a fusion reaction. I think that this is why he didn't reused the water.

I think that he created a plasma (hard X rays) and ionized positively the oxygen atoms up to the point where it has got up to the threshold where the forces of attraction between oxygen and hydrogen is stronger than forces between the protons to start the chain reaction where the neutron of the deuteron is released and collide with other molecules of water causing instant explosion or detonation. _I think that he did it very precisely and controlled, and very concentrated in a very small amount of water.

His exhaust maybe was helium and h3o+ or h4o+ maybe thats why he said it need to be reenergized. Actually maybe it need photons and more oxygen to stabilize and become water again. ...
Regards