Aaron

Nitrogen mixing to slow the burn

A picture is worth a thousand words.

Stan Meyer - nitrogen

Well, the subtitle is The Key to Stan Meyer's Technology. And, Stan Meyer is very explicit about this. He talks heavily about the thermal energy and about how you can only get it with blending nitrogen into the fuel. This is the genesis of his success and all the circuits and other concepts later were only to make everything more efficient. Those are all secondary to this primary key to the whole thing - slow burning water gas.

I'm not saying this is the master secret for ever water fuel technology there is.

nitrogen





This is some of Meyer's earlier work.

Anyone who actually has studied Meyer knows these diagrams well and knows this predated the VIC. AND, the original cells were very standard FLAT PLATE electrolysis cells with very simple pulsed DC - no resonance, no VIC, etc...

So, with very, very simple pulsed DC electrolysis with very low tech flat plates, no different than pulsed DC dry cell or wet cells you can get on ebay or elsewhere, you are creating "hho" in the same quantities that Meyer started with.

And you can modify it to suck in ambient air during vacuum so that the hho is diluted so that the NITROGEN - as Meyer spells it out word for word, NITROGEN blended with the hydrogen and oxygen slows down the burn rate.

It turns the volatile HHO into a non-volatile slow burning fuel.

He wasn't making a torch like a Brown's gas welder! All his burners burned like a slow flame at lower temperature. Without the nitrogen to slow down the burn rate, you get nothing but a fast Brown's gas pop that many are familiar with.

This is all BEFORE any resonant circuits, etc... You can read Meyer's own descriptions. The NITROGEN that is heavily saturated in water and comes from the ambient air will slow down the burn rate of the water fuel. That is mixed and THEN it enters the combustion chamber in non-volatile form. He is talking about use in an engine way before he ever got into tube electrodes or resonant circuits. Meaning - creating the fuel for use on an engine was about QUALITY and NOT Quantity. Moot point anyway - this KEY was used way before the resonant circuits.

So anyone trying to convince you that the VIC/WFC setup is the initial step towards replicating Stan Meyer are blowing smoke plain and simple and have never spent much time actually looking at the historical chronology of what Meyer actually did!

There is more than I'm not referencing where Meyer goes into full discussion of nitrogen about 1-2 times PER PARAGRAPH. After those docs were locked in, he removed every reference to Nitrogen and only referred to it as "non-combustible" gases.

Meyer isn't an idiot. There is a lot of investment in those patents. So he did what he could to misdirect everyone's attention away from Nitrogen and to the VIC, etc... So if you want someone to blame, blame Meyer for putting you on the wrong track. But do you blame him? It was his technology - original concept came from the Nazi's and was supposedly taken to Australia and the rest is history.

Apparently, some people have fallen so deeply for Meyer's misdirection away from Nitrogen that they will stoop to any level possible in order to maintain their delusion.

This sequence of events is not my speculation. Look at the early patents, etc... and you will see NITROGEN spelled out over and over and over. Then right after that, you can see he removed all references and only referenced "non-combustible" gas. Any individual who is openly denying this is a misinformation agent and is lying to everyone.

Water Fuel Secrets

02-20-2010, 10:12 AM
h20power
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 661


To be here or not to be here, that is the question.
Hi Everyone,

In the past few days you have seen nothing more than an abuse of power. And what happened to me can happen to each and every one of you.

Question: Do think you would see a posting of Dr. Lindemann's true age or an aireal shot of his place of business or the same information posted about JB?
The answer is NO.

What happened to me can also happen to any of you. It all started with a post I made on the, "Atomic Hydrogen" thread. I posted a lot of questions that have gone thus far unanswered by anyone involved with the other theory.

Questions like these;
1. What is the rate of the reaction to form Nitrogen Hydroxide?
2. How and where will these new molecules be formed?
3. What is the expected energy content or energy yield of the whole process?
4. In looking at the Gas Gun there is only trace amounts of nitrogen in the system coming from disolved gases in the water that is being broken down so how could nitrogen be a vital part of what Meyer calls thermo explosive energy (gmt)?

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I won't post much from h20power, just this. There is plenty on the internet that anyone can find. He fought us tooth and nail to deny any relevance of nitrogen in the Stan Meyer process. He insulted us, called us names and even made a death threat to me. That is why I posted a picture of his work place for my own protection. We agreed to part ways and I removed the picture of his work. This is why he is not here and NOT what Bussi wants everyone to believe.

The "nitrogen hydroxide" is not a real molecule but is a reference to the nitrogen modified fuel.

For someone that claims to "FULLY" understand Stan Meyer's science, he doesn't seem to have actually read much of his work.

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• and other non-volatile gasses such as oxygen and nitrogen. The hydrogen gas with the attendant non-volatile gasses in a controlled ratio are fed via a line to a controlled air intake system. The combined hydrogen, non-volatile gasses, and the air after intermixing are fed to a combustion chamber wherein the mixture is ignited. The exhaust gasses of the combustion chamber are returned in a closed loop arrangement to the mixing chamber for the mixture of volatile as the non-combustible gasses.
• [0006] More specifically, the generated hydrogen gas is fed to a gas mixing chamber, wherein the hydrogen gas is inter- mixed with non-combustible gasses. The mixture is fed to a carburator (air intake mixture) system.
• [0007] The gas mixture is'fed through nozzle to chamber in a jet spray. Valve or gate controls the amount of air intake to the jet spray. The gasses combine with the air to form a gas mixture of hydrogen, non-volatile gas, and oxygen. The mixture now combustible, but not volatile, is entered into a combustion chamber"

Meyer defines non-volatile NITROGEN as a non-volatile gas.



He also defines the non-volatile gases as being synonymous with using the term non-combustible gases.



The gases combine with AIR to form a gas mixture of hydrogen, non-volatile gas (NITROGEN) and oxygen. The mixture now combustible, but NOT VOLATILE, is not entered into the combustion chamber.


Plain water gas from the cell is EXTREMELY VOLATILE. That is just the way the so-called HHO gas is. It becomes NON-VOLATILE by blending it with NITROGEN! And THAT is the key to how he ran an engine on water, air and electricity. He wasn't making big amounts of gas. He started off with common flat plated electrolysis cells with pulsed DC. No VIC and all the resonance business. That all came after and is NOT foundational to the real foundation of Stan Meyer's technology. the real foundation is a simple pulsed dc electrolysis cell gas production is diluted with NITROGEN. Without the nitrogen, the water gas is very volatile and is not in the preferred combustible state that is needed for an engine.



So if you see anyone claiming that the resonant circuits of Meyer's to create water gas efficiently is the place to start with Meyer's technology in order to get it to work, they actually just skipped all the foundational steps that Meyer started with and went straight to the resonant circuits without even considering that it was never what made his slow burning flame, the foundation of his work, to begin with.



Nitrogen - Nitrogen - Nitrogen


So now you know, if you already didn't, that when Meyer talks about the thermal energy, THAT is what he is talking about. Making the water gas non-volatile or slow burning.



H20Power denied all of this while claiming to FULLY understand Meyer's science.


Jon Abel claims...


"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist.



"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."


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It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"


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When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."


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Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."



"It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."


"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."


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you will know that resonance is an initial step towards getting a Stan Meyer device to work"


So, there you have it. A few of those who are most dedicated to Stan Meyer are the most aggressive at doing their best to make sure everyone's attention is diverted AWAY from the importance of Nitrogen.



There are MANY documents of Meyer's where he spells out this nitrogen key.

I have released a brief report today called Water Fuel Secrets.

Many of you know this information is FREE in this forum as several years
back, Michael John Nunnerley, Alex (Tutanka) and a few others including
myself posted over and over and over and over about the importance
of nitrogen, ionization of the air and it was explained that Stan Meyer's
references to non-combustible gases were indisputably - NITROGEN.

Anyone is free to go look it all up and spend the time to do that.

You can get a copy here that shows 100% indisputably that what we have
all been saying all along has never been speculation. It is in Meyer's
OWN WORDS.


Water Fuel Secrets by Aaron Murakami

how long?

How long does the generator have to run to convert 1 liter of urine to fuel that will run the generator for 6 hours?

sun emissions

There is no heat transmitted from the sun. There is infrared, which is not heat itself until it has molecules to react with (Earth's atmosphere).

The same applies to light in the visible spectrum.

@Geotron

Ok, I get the general concept but I think if the "piston"
is pushed down, isn't it supposed to keep a seal so the fluid
doesn't move up into the combustion chamber? If so, it seems
there might be quite a bit of drag on the piston countering the
explosion and don't think it would move much.

At least not with just "hho" from a fuel cell. It was modified
with ionized air that will give a real punch but I still don't think
it would push hard enough long enough.

It would have to be a very short stroke system with that kind
of drag opposing the punch but in any case, at this time, I don't
see this system working in any practical way. Not impossible
I suppose.

If you have an affinity for this concept, I think pushing compressed
air through an air turbine would have less drag that a hydraulic
fluid but it would still be operating in a conventional way and I don't
know what kind of efficiency you can have with this method compared
to conventional generators. Only experiment will tell.

Thanks for sharing your idea!

@Geotron

Geotron,

I'm not really sure what you're asking in relation to the jet.

There is a disadvantage to the jet and that there is no separate intake
cycle that causes a vacuum cycle to help vaporize what you put into it.

You mentioned "having the density" but having the density what more or
less?

how to build a turbojet engine

Wrench76, I moved your post about those other home made jet engines.
This thread is for my engine. I put your post into the turbojet thread
that I started way back that has links to many home made jet engine
sites.

How to Build a Turbojet Engine

Video of one test run:

How to Build a Jet Engine - YouTube

How to Build a Jet Engine

This is a video package showing how I built a turbojet
engine based on Michael John Nunnerley's specs. This
is the same type of jet engine he powered with the ammonia
on demand water fuel concept.

Purchasing the package from the link above or by clicking on that
banner supports Energetic Forum.

Also, proceeds from this package will be donated to Michael John
Nunnerley's son's recovery fund - or you can make a donation directly
on the website linked to above through paypal.

Michael's son was hit by a car and was in a coma and suffered
severe brain swelling, etc... he is now out of intensive care but
has a severe amount of recovery to go through.

Anyway, you can learn more about this jet engine on the
How to Build a Jet Engine page. How to Build a Jet Engine

If you want to see the inspiration of this jet, read the
Ionization & Water Fuel thread in this forum.

schematic

Please post a bad schematic then.

Emoto

Yan Xin and a few other qigong masters have been documented to either
increase or decrease the radioactive decay rate of radioactive materials
at any distance.

The only technology easily proven that I know of that neutralizes radioactivity
is an hho flame.

I hope everyone takes on the Emoto proposal.

analysis of video

Someone's analysis of the video that was sent to me:

Had another look at the video, 99.9% sure that it is alcohol in the bottle, has an air inlet via a valve that you can see at the top of the bottle, silver with black knob. He adjusts it when starting up from "another cell!", with no air inlet the alcohol would not burn, with air with the HHO there would not be sufficient HHO with that size cell. The bubbling of the "water" in the bottle is not sufficient for HHO to run that engine, it would have to be another gas or it is as I said mixed with the HHO, alcohol + HHO or any white spirit that would look like water.

The question is why need another cell to start it? if it can run on one cell then it would also start on one cell, rest my case.

co-op or find stateside distributors

Most of the manufacturers will indeed require large quantity orders so people
can co-op to make it practical.

However, there ARE stateside distributors for them. I found them a few
years back - there were a few and I don't think the prices were less than
the cost of the lead acid cell phone tower batts.

Nickel Iron batteries

There are a LOT of manufacturers making Nickel Iron batteries. They
are often made big and virtually indestructible. The thing is, most are
made in China - so you CAN get them, but with shipping, might be spendy.
You just have to do your research to see who you're dealing with.

It shouldn't be too hard to find a dealer in the states. They DO exist and
have them large like Bedini's big cell phone tower batteries. I was thinking
of getting some for home power application.

I looked into these years ago - alibaba is a good source:
Nickel-iron Battery-Nickel-iron Battery Manufacturers, Suppliers and Exporters on alibaba.com

For electric cars and you name it.

efficient solar technologies

80-90% efficient solar cell technology:
Caltech Researchers Create Highly Absorbing, Flexible Solar Cells with Silicon Wire Arrays - Caltech Media Relations
At bottom you can see it is "supported" by BP.
That was sent to me a few days ago.

Not that we will have a chance to buy these for our homes
anytime soon!

And this 80-90% efficient solar cell technology was developed
25 or so years ago:
Alvin Marks - Lepcon& Lumeloid -- 90% efficient solar-electric power conversion -- articeles & patents

Amory Lovins

Great pics Greg!

Amory Lovins of the Rocky Mountain Institute has one of the most
efficient houses in the world:
RMI: Amory's Private Residence

He grows bananas in his house in the winter. There is no heating or
cooling system in the house.