Aaron

Meyer

H2O, I have only done very limited tests with the EEC. A while back I kept
point this out but just about everyone tried to say it only applied to the
upper stages where the gas could go to get more unbalanced. Anyway,
I had limited results. And yes, the power pulse and EEC are out of phase.

I thought it was common sense that it should work in the water bath since
in any kind of "electron cascade" environment, there would be a surplus
negative charge that should be able to be used to power a load.

I am aware that the water bath is the ground and that it has been right
there in Meyer's diagrams from the beginning. And I have used isolated
windings on the secondary side with the chokes. I have even run the cell
with variations of the Bedini coils.

With the slots in the tube, I think a distinction should be made. Some
appear to be cut out for tuning but in some diagrams, it appears very
clearly they are ports to inject red LED light. So, his diagrams show
two different kind of "slots".

Anyway, your explanation in that post is how I see Meyer's circuit working
as well.

how to use electret cap

Electret capacitor...

Here is the basic thing to try with a capacitor that has been conditioned
and seems to keep it's voltage up even after shorted.

Charge another cap with it because you want that electret cap to charge
a cap or something with SUPER LOW IMPEDANCE. The cap will get charged
with the least amount of impact on the electret cap.

ELECTRET CAP > CHARGE OTHER CAP > DISCHARGE OTHER CAP TO BATTERY > repeat

So you can basically take a regular cap and switch it back and forth
between the electret cap and the battery back and forth.

Meyer hho

HairBear,

I'm not disputing that Meyers had no coating on his tubes.

First of all, Ravi got this conditioning idea and process from me and then
developed his own conditioning regimen. You can ask him youself.

And, it is not a myth, which implies it has been claimed that Meyer's
tubes did have a white powder coating. It must be kept in the proper
context. Myself or Ravi never claimed Meyer had this coating.

I may have speculated on that but have never claimed that
as I have never personally examined Meyer's tubes. But, apparently
both Ravi and I have seen a significant increase in gas production WITH
the coating for less input.

I originally posted this around 5 years ago, this is the 2nd or 3rd time I
posted it after it kept getting deleted:
YouTube - Stan Meyer concentric tube test

Both the below vids are the 2nd or 3rd time I had to post them as well.

YouTube - Water Fuel Cell Conditioning
If I put a choke in series, the of course I can get higher voltaged
and lower current. I have built several variations of the vic for
straight up running the cells to produce gas and not for conditioning,
but haven't really posted anything on that. Anyway, I was the first
to point out the similarity of Meyer's circuits and Bedini's circuits way
back on icubenetwork before it got hacked and shut down.

YouTube - energeticforum's Channel

What I personally observed a long time ago was my inner tubes started
to get a pure white powder coating on them AND as this conditioning
process went on, which is a conditioning process even if
Meyer didn't have that same coating, the gas volume INCREASED consistently
as the white powder coating became more evenly spread across the
entire surface. This idea was based on actual experimental empirical
evidence.

So, it is not a myth that it allows for higher voltage with less current
with the benefit of increased gas production for less energy. It is a fact.
Again, I'm not disputing you about Meyer having no coating.

But if anyone is saying that there is a myth stating Meyer had this
coating...again, it was never claimed and my discovery has been taken
out of context severely.

It is a dielectric coating, restricts current and allows high electrostatic
pressure to be built up - as it does act as a capacitor. If there is no
coating and even if the top ridge of the tubes are bare, the tubes are
basically short circuited. I was able to measure up to hundreds of volts
in that tube, while most reports I saw were lucky to measure over 2
volts...2 volts because it was short circuited.

This coating I have seen in batteries, and it helps to restrict current while
allowing more voltage potential.

Obviously in the Meyer circuit the primary current restriction should be
the bifilar chokes, which I believe should be wired em coupled and not
in normal series.

It is also possible that Meyer's tubes have a thin layer of corona dope
or similar to restrict current, while being invisible. If there is no coating,
it is also possible only distilled water was used and no minerals were
available - even though Meyer apparently used both distilled and
tap water.

I have produced gas with distilled water, which indicates electrostatic
separation and not current electrolysis. I didn't use medically grade
triple distilled, just single distilled but there was still no conductivity.

I built the Tay Hee Han cell a while back and I used super corona
dope as the coating on the plates, which with the thickness I used can
hold up to 80,000 volts of electrostatic pressure and that is without
baking the dope, otherwise it would be closer to 100,000 volts.

Did you personally place Meyer's tubes in your hand and examine them
with your own eyes? You said you experimented quite extensively in
this area and found that..implying that you have first hand knowledge
of Meyer's tubes.

The entire Meyer hho world of experimenters should be completely aware
that the dune buggy still exists as well as other hardware. That has been
discussed quite a bit as well. Photos have been produced of the VIC, etc...
and I think some of that is posted in this forum or a couple others.

What is your definition of "particle oscillations"?

This coating in no way inhibits resonance for example in the batteries
that have developed this coating.

capacitors

Lamare,

I have showed this for years. Imhotep even mentioned it about a cap
that seems to not be able to die because it keeps itself charged up like
an electret - from a conditioning effect. Anyway, there is something to
it.

Listen to 1:10~1:20
YouTube - energeticforum's Channel
That is the second time I posted that video, originally it was removed
with the rest of my vids.

The "boiling" effect isn't necessarily unwanted when charging batteries
with the Bedini method. They will COLD boil, even up to an hour after
the charger is disconnected if using for example, high capacitance low
voltage discharges.

Also, a cap can be charged with pure radiant and no measurable
"electron" current. A charged cap doesn't need to have electrons
piling on plates, etc...

You may find this interesting.
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)
See page 26 of the pdf.

Batteries are water electrolysis cells. A water molecule is either
created or destroyed depending on if it is powering or being charged
and that what all the complicated battery chemistry comes down to.

And the concentric tubes ARE capacitors.

I have seen batteries charged with radiant that get a white coating
on the plates...batteries with clear see through walls so you can see
the liquid and plates inside. Just like the conditioning that has been
observed on many of the Meyer experiments. This is the observation
I brought to the table a long time ago.

Nathan Stubblefield resource

Someone may already have posted the vid at the top left of this page:
Yes90 tviNews S90 Profile4 Ask Priscilla Nathan B. Stubblefield, NB Stubblefield, Wireless Telephone YouTube - STUBBLEFIELD EARTH BATTERY DEMONSTRATIONS Acknowledgements & Thank You's / Feature Story / smart90.com/http://smart90.com/nbstubblefield.co

This Priscilla is a famous actress and appears to be married to the
grandson of Nathan Stubblefield or is a granddaughter of him.

There are a LOT of stubblefield links in that site, cluttered and not
well organized but they're there.

confusion?

I just told you I don't remember the dielectric constant.
Then, I told you the insulation properties. I don't believe
I'm confused about anything.

super corona dope

I don't remember the dielectric constant of the super corona dope but
it increases with baking in an oven, which I did not do. On 2 plates, there is a
total of a little over 2 mm thickness, which would hold back about 80,000.
It is about 4000 volts per mil.

Tay Hee Han

I already built Tay Hee Han's patent last summer (2008). I never posted
pics or even mentioned it online before. I coated the plates with
SUPER CORONA DOPE... a xylene mix that is specifically used as
a dielectric insulator for electrical applications.

It did not do what I wanted. According to someone, it really
needed barium titanate plates to give results like Tay Hee Han
claimed.

There were some French experimenters that were mentioning
Tay Hee Han at the same time they were doing Eccles experiments.
I'm familiar with all these patents and have done some of the
experiments. So far, I had best results with t304 stainless steel
tubes getting coated with magnesium or calcium from the water
to act as a dielectric.

peak oil

There are many ways to lease a car new or used at a fraction of the price of purchasing one. There are many things that can be negotiated out of the contract in a leasing agreement and at the end of the lease with option to buy the car out, the total money spent can be up to 50% or more discounted from outright purchasing the vehicle.

Dealer's often add vehicle delivery fees - well they're all double billing your on this because the manufacturer already included this, etc... dealer holdbacks, etc... it is a very dirty crooked business.

I agree Jibbguy that if the extraction of that oil is extremely detrimental to the environment that care should obviously taken.

I posted this thread originally just because I believe the peak oil concept is a scam and always has been and I believe that the Earth is constantly producing oil and it has never had anything to do with dinosaur bones.

I'm not sure how valid this Lindsay Williams info is, I wrote him but I guess he is too busy to respond to anyone. But very interesting if true:


Here is another interesting take on oil and where it may have come from in whole or partially:


Anyway, many oil fields that are already setup for pumping and have gone "dry" are suddenly filled back up...what are they waiting for and where did it come from? Either they never went dry, which I doubt because they would want to pump in as they can and obviously there aren't more and more dinosaur bones being added to the ground - all signs point to the concept that the Earth really is making oil all the time and we'll never run out...I have thought for years that is is tectonic plate lubrication but just and idea.

If peak oil is a scam, and I think it is, I still don't think it justifies the continual use of it in ridiculous ways when there are obviously other options for energy production that would be advanced quickly if there was just the funding.

@cloxxi

HOLD UP JUST A SECOND!

This self-imposed govt of the United States in no way, shape or form represents my ideas or beliefs. It is NOT a govt of the people, by the people or for the people.

It is a govt that is run by corporations.

So, when the rest of the world wants to blame the United States for problems, which I agree it does cause problems, just remember, it does not represent the American people - it represents their own greedy profiteering interests.

They do what they want and it doesn't matter if they're democrats or republicans - they all work for the bankers, oils companies and pharmaceutical companies.

The Americans can vote one way but they do another thing anyway.

The major automakers have deals with the oil companies and it is policy to make low efficiency vehicles. It isn't conspiracy it is business for them. Don't you realize that a new car dealership makes about 30-40% of it's income from a new car sale and that the other majority of its income is in SERVICE to the vehicle? What % of the service comes from carbon buildup, etc... from low efficiency? Quite a bit! It is a very simple concept to understand.

So Cloxxi, what is YOUR solution?

Why hold us hostage with high oil prices?

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Welcome peakprodk!

Welcome peakprodk!

Your specific idea sounds new to me - good luck with the idea!

my 2 cents

There are MANY cars up to 10 years old and older that get much better mileage than these supposed "NEW" high mileage cars. And, they cost a fraction of the cost of a new car.

All the propaganda about these new cars being such great mileage cars...I don't see how they can keep pulling this off year after year.

In the mid 90's, Honda had a civic that got over 50mpg and each model after wards got less and less and less and less until they were down to the lower 30mpg range.

I have seen the same with other companies. Some models with really great gas mileage then after a few years, the mileage is worse and worse.

So even with the rebates, it is still putting people into debt by seducing them into a new car that may have better mileage than what they have now but they could easily get a used car with even better mileage and not have the debt.

This is like some people that believe they are saving money when they buy things that are on sale. The truth is that they spent money and they can only save that money if they didn't spend it on something to begin with.

Encouraging people to buy new cars will probably simply get people in more debt that they wouldn't otherwise be in if they simply kept their car, kept it tuned up to increase mileage or simply bought a higher mileage used car, which could be almost new if they wanted but at a fraction of the price.

coil specs

Hey Rough Wood, I just saw this myself.

Have you used some AWG calculators to enter the resistance (I'd check it with everything off first) - and start entering small gauges of wire to see what the length is.

When you get a length/gauge that would roughly fit your geometry of coil case, you'll have a good idea of the length. Unless you know exactly from the manufacturer, that might be a way to go.

Someone else here probably knows better. This cinco de mayo so maybe everyone is out partying

State Sovereignty

Thanks Aljoha,

Here are both parts 1 and 2 of the Texas bill speech.

YouTube - Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment - Part 1
YouTube - Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment - Part 2

self runner

Redeagle,

I've gotten around the battery problem by using caps because they don't care if you're charging them and powering a load from them at the same time.

Allotropic Nitrogen | Active Nitrogen

Any other interest in allotropic nitrogen?

thanks Ash!

Awesome page Ash! Thanks for keeping us updated!

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If you are an energy healer, researcher or just want to know about these things, the Aether is what you need to learn about. It is an infinitely existing gaseous fluid made of potential particles that are smaller than the smallest subatomic particles. This is where all of our life potential comes from.


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