How to build the vic tried and tested
Started by unknown · · 113 posts · last reply 6 September 2011
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#76 · date not recorded
Hi Tony
"Energy Pumping Action" page 125 as Stan describes is done via electric field no magnetic field.
andy
Spintronic many thank to You.
If there's an electric field present, there is also a magnetic field present! -
#77 · date not recorded
well, actually, page 127 does it better for me....
with all respectk,
kbattachment_9440 page 127.png
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#78 ·
@tony
yea spin orbit is being used in gas and liquids, possibly part of the chemical reaction in the injectors. what do you think about aligning electron spin in ferrous metals?
do people reading this understand electron spin? i dont know.
@andy
What country are you from, just out of interest
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#79 ·
I'm from poland.
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#80 ·
Spintronic
If I wound primary coil for example in four layers on the spool must be every layer be wound from left to right ? ( left right , left right , left right , left right ) or can it be wound : ( left right , right left , left right , right left ) and of course all wound clockwise?
Must this rule of wound be in use for made the secondary and two choke coils?
thank for your ansver
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#81 ·
hi andy
keep it single layer if i understand you correctly. no this does not apply to the other coils. there is still more to learn like wire gauge, i think smaller wire size looks like a better option. with feedback being low i think a lot of people have given up a long time ago which is a shame. -
#82 ·
Spintronic
By " single " You mean only one layer for the primary coil or can be more than one layer for primary but all loop in layer wound clockwise and wound with progresion (every next loop) in one direction ( from left to right ) on the spool?
mayby You understand my corectly?
thank
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#83 ·
In the tri-coil (6-1) Stan has it wound the best way possible to give the best coupling between the Primary and Secondary/Choke combination. Just think of the secondary and chokes as a combined coil, basically thats what it is just separated by a diode. In a transformer configuration to get the best coupling you wont to divide you secondary up into two sections, an upper and lower section. The lower section should be placed closest to the core and then wrap your primary coil over that lower secondary section. After that you want to wrap your upper secondary section over the primary coil, this will give you the highest coupling possible. This is why Stan made the coil the way he did. Also by bifilar wrapping the lower secondary section (chokes) it will give you a greater potential difference magnification due to the currents flowing in the same parallel direction.
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/stanmeyer/vicforinjectorwithcolor.jpg)
When Stan say dual wrapped bidirectional primary he means it should wrapped like in this image.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/BDwrap.gif) -
#84 ·
hi, might seem a silly question but, did stan use the vic coil in the injector setup? -
#85 · date not recorded
yes, this VIC coil was used only in the injector setup. At resonance if should put out as Meyer states 20kv - 40kv and even higher. -
#86 · date not recorded
Andy
Here's a vic I wound last night watching football. 8mm ferrite rod 8 inches long. Top third single layer iron wire choke, middle third single layer iron wire primary, bottom third single layer iron wire choke. Secondary single layer complete rod length in red 28 gauge copper.
Works OK for gas, when run up to 50v in it stays at 80ma, probably needs more iron wire for chokes to further reduce amps. 12v in, 30ma at tube, 750v ptp at 10khz.
The iron wire experiments continue. Ferrite core is the way to go.
kb
attachment_9455 ferriterodvicironwire.jpg
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#87 ·
@andy
start your winding at the top of the spool and wind a single layer down to the bottom. use iron wire, make it a tight winding with no bends or kinks.
@kb
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#88 ·
Hi Spintronic
Primary coil must be made only one layer - correct? ( more layer in not allowed? what if I want more turn of wire but my spool is short? ) ?
Sorry for my english and mayby stupid question.
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#89 · date not recorded
Spin,
It's all experimental. My hybrid rod vic works and makes gas. ...now, for example, I added three iron wire spiral chokes in series to the negative side with an iron powder epoxy core and it bumped up to 2.2kv at 12v with 10ma. I'll be trying the same rod type set up with an iron wire secondary soon enough and let ya know, dude. The iron wire has an effect with many fewer turns and length of wire used compared to copper, that is well proven to my satisfaction. Looks like I'll be using the hv probe from here.
kb
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#92 · date not recorded
Steve,
The flyback core idea I tried last week. They pop out nicely fromn old pc monitors and with two sections are easy to insert in a plastic tube. I used iron wire single layer primary under a 30 gauge seven layer jumble secondary. Today while at home I'm winding a single layer iron wire 8XA on a four inch iron powder store bought toroid. I'll be trying to see the inverted waveforms with neg and pos sides that Tony mentions. we'll see
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#93 · date not recorded
....iron wire & core properties didn't take long to get a discusion going at eda board, lol -
#94 · date not recorded
i understand the skineffects and thats why most coils are made from copper.
But i must agree on the fact that there is almost non info on iron coil inductors.
Thats pretty odd.....
Spintronic, illuminati, found something interesting.
I do have here some insulated iron wire, which i will compare with copper, on an electromagnet.
Just wanna see how different it behaves....
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#95 ·
Steve,
I am here to tell ya... the iron powder core bifilar wound toroid I made today with single layer iron wire did not even come close to the gas production and hv ptp that a simple pc flyback gives with a single layer iron wire primary with a copper wire secondary jumble wound on top. there is something going on here...
for example, the flyback core I made with seperate iron wound chokes on ferrite rods laying nearby in series produced 2600v at 12v ptp with 50ma compared to 250v ptp 12v 100ma with a toroid wound single layer 8XA fashion
experiments continue
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#96 ·
Steve,
I am here to tell ya... the iron powder core bifilar wound toroid I made today with single layer iron wire did not even come close to the gas production and hv ptp that a simple pc flyback gives with a single layer iron wire primary with a copper wire secondary jumble wound on top. there is something going on here...
for example, the flyback core I made with seperate iron wound chokes on ferrite rods laying nearby in series produced 2600v at 12v ptp with 50ma compared to 250v ptp 12v 100ma with a toroid wound single layer 8XA fashion
experiments continue
kb
I like news things....
KB, the results you have of 2.6kv are done with a flyback core with the original secondairy in tackt and you wound just an iron primary?
Normally i wind just a couple of windings on such primary of a flyback.
How many turns did you do on the prim on that flyback?
And them just hooked up to a 3 inch tubeset?
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#97 · date not recorded
Steve,
The flyback core two Cs are removed from the winding housing and seperated. I wind a single layer iron wire around a thin plastic tube about an inch and half long just enough to fit in when I put the two flyback Cs back together. Over the single layer primary I then wind on a copper secondary which is done by winding a 1/4 " high hump about 1/4" wide and then another next to it and then another until the end which is about seven or so humps next to each other, a lazy man's tricoil like approach with no seperator bobbins.. yep it is connected to my three inch cell.
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#98 · date not recorded
Steve,
Also, mosfets do matter, of the 1/2 dozen I have on hand they give me a range of 300v ptp to 700v ptp, except the irfbc40, which produces the 2.6kv, I've favored this mosfet for some time now, it is worth looking into the datasheet to see the difference it has, and nicely, they are cheap on ebay, about 50 cents each
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#99 · date not recorded
Thank you, KB
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#100 · date not recorded
Kb,
About you using Fets, try to use transistors....
Like the 2n3055.
Fets have al kinds of demping stuff inside.
I got the cleanest signals with transistors.