How to build the vic tried and tested

#101 · date not recorded

Steve,

I was about to to try fets on the positve side and even bought some but got caught up in this iron wire idea. I just wound another flyback to see if it was just a fluke or I was imagining things. The one on the right side is new and beats the first one!!
What do you mean by demping stuff inside? What 2n3055 circuit do you recommend I wire up? I'm guesing I just pulse it off the existing mosfet driver anyway, correct?

kb, danka

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Steve

#102 · date not recorded

Quote from: kickbackemf on September 04, 2011, 22:35:14 pm

Steve,

I was about to to try fets on the positve side and even bought some but got caught up in this iron wire idea. I just wound another flyback to see if it was just a fluke or I was imagining things. The one on the right side is new and beats the first one!!
What do you mean by demping stuff inside? What 2n3055 circuit do you recommend I wire up? I'm guesing I just pulse it off the existing mosfet driver anyway, correct?

kb, danka

Yes, just use the same driver circuit. Maybe keep a resistor between the driveroutput and transistor base.

The Fets i used, seem to have a capacitance inside. Maybe because of the build in diode.
In all cases, it gave resonance between my coils. Not such issues with transistors.

Steve

#103 · date not recorded

http://www.modularcircuits.com/h-bridge_secrets1.htm

Steve

#104 · date not recorded

You got to read this doc...

wfchobby

#105 · date not recorded

when testing the VIC, is there any results that indicate multiple cells (whether in series or parallel) obtain desired results over using a single cell on the VIC coil?

kickbackemf

#106 · 5 Sep 2011

Steve,
danka for the circuit links, the irfbc40 mosfet has some very low capacitance inside with these specs to compare to the 2n3055 -fwiw

Input Capacitance C

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ISS VGS = 0V, VDS = 25V, f = 1.0MHz - 1300 - pF

Output Capacitance C OSS - 160 - pF
Reverse Transfer Capacitance C RSS - 45 - pF
rise times, turn off times, on time delay, fall times- all are hard to beat

kb

sebosfato

#107 · 5 Sep 2011

Hello i would give you some points to think.

About the iron in the primary, i thought of this some time ago, i didn't thought about spin ... I was thinking about the speed of the electrons in the wire...

I thought that relativistic magnetic effects could be achieved by using iron.. Was just a supposition.

For example a thin wire and a thick wire of whatever material will present different electron velocities for a given current. However in engineering there are standards of allowed primary dissipation for a given rated power transformer.

i was looking into the links about the iron as the primary, but the guy didn't specify the resistance of the primary. so is impossible to determine how much watts was being dissipated in the primary.

A given resistance per inductance will give a specific time constant.

don't know what to think.

From the experiments i did using iron wire on the secondary i have found nothing. Except once when i got such a resonance that the trasformer burned into light. I never tried it again however... It was a steal wire with a black plastic cover...

kickbackemf

#108 · 5 Sep 2011

Seb,
I'm going on intuition here with the iron wire. I think there is a resistance factor in play, however, the thing ran cool to the touch at 12v for over an hour. Other observations include comparing a two & 1/2 inch ferrite rod compared to the ferrite flyback cores in the photo. Of the rods that I wind with iron wire and copper secondary exactly like the flyback cores, the ptp voltage peaks at a point even if a higher voltage is inputed. The flyback with iron wire primary under a copper secondary has the ptp voltage increasing right along with the input voltage and jumps up quickly in a better than exactly matching relationship to the input voltage. Circular effect to hold flux in I suppose. I need a hv oscope probe higher than 3kv now to see the relationship even at 12 volts. Gas is much better, even at 3-5 volts with this arrangement.......... running at 60ma with 12v in at 5.52khz, yet I still believe it to be normal electrolysis...
Is it fair game to add 1-10 meg ohm to the oscope probe and do some calculations to determine ptp voltage? I'd hate to bust the thing.
kb

sebosfato

#109 · 6 Sep 2011

I keept thinking about the subject... The iron wire will also add more induction to the transformer as it is ferromagnetic... And there will be a magnetic field closing path with each adjacent turn not just inside the core. As this flux will be more concentrated between turns i imagine you will increase the induced voltage in a secondary if in comparison with copper primary. However I'm not sure if this type of assymetry could already give any over-unity effects. Cause a greater induction would only give you a greater EMF in the secondary... You should try to determine if there are strange effects on the BEMF...

I think there would be benefits of using it with no core... Maybe an iron and a copper wire bifilar like...

a transformer with a higher resistance in the primary will have less reactive component so most of the energy should be transfered to the secondary (except the dissipated energy)

The time constant will be smaller therefor the frequency of operation can be higher..

We should maybe understand more about phasors and electronics engineering to be able to understand whats going on...

Br

timeshell

#110 · date not recorded

The quote below from another forum refers to this patent: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument;jsessionid=00FF002D301F0117FAC673F115883C30.espacenet_levelx_prod_5?CC=CA&NR=2594905A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20090118&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

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If I understand the patent correctly, it is primarily the reluctance of the metal for the two coils of the secondary, being different than the reluctance of the metal of the primary. The flux path in the metal for the secondaries becomes the path of least resistance. This in turn allows for energy gain. And not just a small amount of COP. 3200%!!

Many on this board have spent a great deal of time (years) and money, trying to achieve COP >1.

Thane, who was once a major contributor to this forum has discovered something far more important than his earlier experiments.

I wish for all here to read the Patent and to come to their own conclusion and to attempt replication, on any scale.

EDIT:
The link appears to now be again working! (YEA!) Link is two posts above!!

Cheers,

Bruce
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I thought this may be of some interest.

TS

webmug

#111 · date not recorded

Tony, have you tested this on the resonance VIC?

When I measure at the chokes I have 180o phase what is seen in the video. But when I connect the WFC, I have all the signals in phase again...

Ideas?

Br,
Webmug

webmug

#112 · date not recorded

Question: "how do you restrict current" ?

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The value of the Inductor (C), the value of the capacitor (ER), and the pulse-frequency of the voltage
being applied across the LC circuit determines the impedance of the LC circuit

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The Inductor (C) takes on or becomes an Modulator Inductor which steps up an oscillation of an
given charging frequency with the effective capacitance of an pulse-forming network in order to charge
the voltage zones (E1/E2) to an higher potential beyond applied voltage input

Amp leakage is restricted to 1-2 milliamp on resonance, so 2000 to 5000 Voltage potential applied gives E=IZ -> 2000=1 *10^-3 Z -> Z= 2 Mega Ohms or Z=2.5Mega Ohms total electrical Impedance at the chokes on typical 5kHz frequency.

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Info what Stan tells in the patent about Impedance (Z) is very important!

Electrical Impedance (Z), is the total opposition that a circuit presents to alternating current. Impedance is measured in ohms and may include resistance ®, inductive reactance (XL), and capacitive reactance (XC). However, the total impedance is not simply the algebraic sum of the resistance, inductive reactance, and capacitive reactance. Since the inductive reactance and capacitive reactance are 90o out of phase with the resistance and, therefore, their maximum values occur at different times, vector addition must be used to calculate impedance.

This Z is for secondary, positive and negative chokes and wfc.
If you connect the chokes to the wfc, you notice the inductance is altered and also the capacitance and resistance. Neg choke gives 180 phase shift to choke pos.

Choke neg is tuned for Z Equal to Choke pos Z to restrict current and charge the water molecules.

Since the coils are not perfect components we have to use Real Components capacitor (Rs, L, C, Rp) and inductor (Rs, L, Cw) combined WFC (C and R) and calculate the needed Z for the chokes. This is then on typically 5kHz resonance 3 inch resonance WFC!

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Variable inductor-coil (D), similar to inductor (C) connected to opposite polarity voltage zone (E2)
further inhibits electron movement or deflection within the Voltage Intensifier Circuit. Movable wiper
arm fine "tunes" "Resonant Action" during pulsing operations. Inductor (D) in relationship to inductor
(C) electrically balances the opposite voltage electrical potential across voltage zones (EI/E2).

Negative choke has different Z as the positive choke, because it has R wfc added to the total Electrical Impedance and needs 'tuning'.

Br,
Webmug

sebosfato

#113 · date not recorded

The impedance of a resonance fed in parallel is huge theoretically infinite and is defined by the Q factor.

If you apply for say 40kv at 1ma and the tank have lets say 10 amps recirculating its clear that the XL is 40000ohms

and the Q is the relation of the input current to the recirculating current.

if you get 1 amps divided by 1ma you get Q factor of 1000

giving an impedance saw by the source as a 40MOhm resistor.

in series circuit the voltage will be the initial voltage(t) times the Q...