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Stan’s Legacy

ALTERNATOR

Started by unknown · · 162 posts · last reply 8 June 2022

  1. outlawstc

    #101 · date not recorded

    what i think is the pic above would allow the cell to have direct connection to rectifier and the scr would gate positive  to ground.. i think there may be a way to allow scr to dead short to ground to allow cap discharge rather using scr to send charge to fuel cell.. i think there is a way it will improve switching with scr then what stan shows..

  2. sebosfato

    #102 · date not recorded

    Hello guys
     
    I´m finishing to construct the thing i created a new pll cd4046 circuit with 4429 driver and 4 divide byu 10 dividers cd4017 giving it a range of 150kz to 10hz very precise frequency. i´m using a irfp 250  as the transistor and i´m using simply a 60APU06 diode in parallel with the field coil of the alternator. This circuit is being supplied by 12v from car batery... and regulated by a lm7812...
    obs nothing get hot
     
    only the motor that is driving the alternator, is a 300 watts motor and is fixed speed, i´m getting 120hz out from the alternator witch indicates that the rpm is about 1200 i think, please correct me if i´m wrong... 
     
    Now i need to finish my coil its like this:
    i used as coil former a pvc pipe about 10cm diameter  25cm long, i separated two pieces of 22 meters (one for each coil)  of 35amp wire (those for house wiring, I think is 6mm2 area,) that allowed me to make a coil of about 90 turns divided in two layers (well insulated with nomex (transformer HighV isolation) and resulted about 246uh of inductance... Now i´m going to coil the other coil on another pvc pipe witch is a litle bigger than the first one just got one here that matches perfect the size, so i can move one coil in relation to the other to be able to change the coupling... I will also make taps on it to change its transformer action ratio =) inductance... 
     
    than i will just need to make the circuits for the drivers of the igbts... but afer that i finish this coil i will try using only two diodes... to check if i get some resonance...
     
    Oh my filtered water here connected to the alternator builded up only few bubles and at 3,8 volts...
     
     
     

  3. sebosfato

    #103 ·

    I thought a way for doing the pulse for the igbts very quickly
     
    i´m winding an inductor with thre coils very well insulated from each other 200 turns per coil 0,27mm diameter wire if i remember well... this is just for the gatesss

    thus one coil will be connected in parallel with the field coil on the irfp and the two secondaries will be connected to respective igbts to mke them switch with the frequency perfectly matched...
     
    than i just need to rebuild the feed back coil and circuit and the lockin indicator (just a led and a transistor and a couple of diodes and resitors) i will not add an resonant scaning circuit, i don´t think is needed for now...
     
    I will use a toroidal bifilar coil (the same 6mm2 wire) witch i already have here ready and will test with a 3 inch tube cell on filtered water....  about 1,5nf and 22mh abouty 27khz
     
     

  4. Steve

    #104 ·

    Sounds all like an experiment in progres to me... ;)

  5. sebosfato

    #105 · date not recorded

    Yes steve hopfully in the end of the day today i will get it to work. Cross your thingers too ... =)
     
    I tried to make the pulse transformer on the ferrite core (antena rod) not very gud i think is because the permeability is low, i´m trying to figure out another way easy with no need to build more 2 driver circuits with also two new isolated power supplies...
     
     
     if anyone can help, basically i need to send +- 15 v to the igbts gates at 50 ma i will than use some zener to limit the voltage... The main problem is that both igbts must be isolated from ground and each other.,.
     
    thanks

  6. sebosfato

    #106 · date not recorded

    This is exactly what i have here exept that i have 4x cd4017 divide by 10 and a 4 way switch giving me range from 150khz to 10 hz
     
     
    The circuit as it is give you a range from 1khz up to 150khz, if you change the 1nf capacitor by a 10nf capacitor you will get from 100 hz up to 15khz ...
     
     
    THERE WAS ONLY ONE ERROR IN THIS SCHEMATIC, THE POSITIVE GOING TO THE FIELD COIL DON´T COME STRAIGHT FROM THE BATTERY BUT FROM THE SWITCH... !  NOW IS CORRECT!!!!!!!!

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  7. sebosfato

    #107 · date not recorded

    I HAVE JUST ATACHED THE FIELD COIL AND ONE OF THE PHASES ON THE PCOSCOPE AND I NOTICED THAT DOES NOT MATTER THE FREQUENCY I PULSE ON THE FIELD COIL IT WIL AWAYS BE 120HZ ON THE PHASE COIL...
     
    vERY STRANGE ISN´T ?
     
    I´M THINKING ABOUT CREATING A SIMPLE FREQUENCY GENERATOR TO USE WITH THE MOTOR DRIVING THE ALTERNATOR TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE RPM... WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT?

  8. sebosfato

    #108 · date not recorded

    So, guys i would like to hear more about you all that is reading this thread.. what do you think about the voltage perform work theory that i came up with? Now that some time passed, i think that you are now more able to visualize what i´m saying. That stan talked about voltage causing self ionization of water and than performed work separating the charges on the dielectric using no energy from the conventional current... and that than discharged those ions generating electricity witch was applied instantaneously to the resonant charging choke and that by transformer action cause the voltage to build up even further! What do you think about the fact that the movable wiper coil was to be the primary that induce on the "secondary" resonant charging choke voltage, and for that reason it should be able to change its inductance value to perfectly tune to the dielectric and resitance proprieties of the water, and to get the rioght ratio between voltage and current, to maximize the resonant effect. 
     
    Please feedback=)

  9. sebosfato

    #109 · date not recorded

    I have to say that, stan was not a stupid he was very speciaslised scientist in contrary to what seemed, because he knew that anyone with enough knowledge would be able to understand and repeat what he was doing, the way he hided his secretes was a tentative to protect him against those with knowledge in the prior art;;; I aways knew that the knowledge was the way... I´m not a chemist not a physicist, not a mathematian, i´m a musician and a scientist, i studied so hard in this 5 years about hydrogen, water, energy...  that i can tell you, i don´t find anyone not even in the university that speek my language, they are aways busy with their lifes, i believe those are not scientists, they don´t even want to understand... 
     
    The only people witch can understand what i´m saying are you...

  10. Steve

    #110 · date not recorded

    Thats the good thing of a forum.
    But still...
    Its always hard to follows the steps of other people.
     
    Seb..what are your results, yet?
    Have you tried to get voltage of the wfc/ions back into the circuit?
    Like Warp and i did with the alternator? Charging the primary(rotor) with use of the wfc?
     
    Steve

  11. sebosfato

    #111 · date not recorded

    i JUST NEED TO FINISH ONE MORE OPTOCOUPLER DRIVER CIRCUIT FOR THE IGBTS AND SOLDERING EVERY THING... I´M GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME TESTS IN THE END OF THE DAY...
     
     
    i WILL TRY IT STEVE...
     
    thANKS

  12. outlawstc

    #112 · date not recorded

    Quote
    I have to say that, stan was not a stupid he was very speciaslised  scientist in contrary to what seemed, because he knew that anyone with  enough knowledge would be able to understand and repeat what he was  doing, the way he hided his secretes was a tentative to protect him  against those with knowledge in the prior art;;; I aways knew that the  knowledge was the way... I´m not a chemist not a physicist, not a  mathematian, i´m a musician and a scientist, i studied so hard in this  5 years about hydrogen, water, energy...  that i can tell you, i don´t  find anyone not even in the university that speek my language, they are  aways busy with their lifes, i believe those are not scientists, they  don´t even want to understand...


    seems most lack the mindset to approach such knowledge.. like you said they are to busy... in our minds we see it as if we dont try to change this now we are gonna be stuck in a life of resistance ..having to jump though corporate loops to maintain which is nothin more then lack of self sufficiency..  disconnecting all middle and lower from being sovereign beings!

    keep going seb! im interesting in hearing your results!!! be patient and double check your work. sometime being in a hurry we can over look somthings which can lead to no results while having the correct idea..

    best regards,
    outlawstc

  13. sebosfato

    #113 ·

    Hello guys i´m almost ready to turn on the power. I just need to connect to the car battery and the igbt drivers to its respective power sources (two laptop 19v 4a ac adaptors)
     
    Than i will check if the signal to the igbts are i expect them to be and than i´m ready. its 1 o-clok... the all thing is very impressive. i´m going to figure out a way to put the images from my phone to this computer...
     
    I would like to make a live meeting on skype tomorow after 16:00  if any of you are interested send me a pm with your skype name and get online tomorow, do any of you know if is possible to mke video meeting with more than 2 computers tell me how please.
     
    BEst Regards to All
     
     
     

  14. sebosfato

    #114 · date not recorded

    ~hELLO
    [´
     
    I GUESS I DISCOVERED THE FUNCTION OF THE MOVABLE WIPER COIL
     
    IT IS THERE TO ACT AS A PATH FOR THE IONS TO DISCHARGE THEIR ENERGY BY INDUCING FURTHER VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE. hOWVER ITS IMPEDANCE SHOULD BE MAYBE MORE THAN 10 TIMES SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE WATER OTHER WISE CURRENT WILL LIKE TO DISCHARGE INSIDE THE WATER.. .
     
    pICTURE THIS
     
    yOU HAVE 1000 VOLTS THRU WATER
     
    yOU DISCHARGE THIS THRU A COIL WITH 10 OHMS IMPEDANCE, YOU WILL GET 100 AMPS;
     
    iF THIS 100 AMPS BY TRANSFORMER ACTION INDUCE A VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER COIL DURING PULSING OPERATION WITCH IS 10 TIMES BIGGER YOU WILL HAVE 10000 VOLTS BEING INDUCED AT 10 AMPS  AND SO ON
     
    sO IF THE CONTAMINANTS CHANGE THE FREQUENCY WILL ALSO CHANGE BECAUSE WILL CHANGE THE SPEED AND THE AMOUNT OF IONS THAT WILL BE DISCHARGED IN RELATION TO THE CHARGE WITCH IS GETING IN THE CAPACITOR FOR EACH CYCLE.
     
    baSICALY YOU NEED TO HAVE TWO COILS WITH RIGHT PROPORTION AND COUPLING TO REACH THE WATER IONIC RESONACE..
     
    i GUESS THE FREQUENCY WILL BE DICTATED BY THE MUTUAL INDUCTANCE. . ALLONG WITH THE DIELECTRIC OF WATER AND ITS CONTAMINANTS;;;
     
     

  15. Steve

    #115 · date not recorded

    Hmmm,
     
    Could there be a test setup proving the theory, Fabio?
    If you could prove just a small piece, then we could go from there.. ???
     
    Steve

  16. itzon

    #116 ·

    Really,  you are talking about 100Kwatts being recirculated? 

    Are you high?

    I will admit that I have not shown anything that amounts to a hill of beans,  but this is wacked out B.S.   You have not proved anything either except that you like to post a lot and  ask for money to support your whacked out theories.  I have an open mind not constrained to conventional theories and teachings, but...


    I've been working silently and spending A lot of money SUPPLEMENTING MY OWN IDEAS AND NOT ASKING FOR DONATIONS TO SUPPORT ME, MY FAMILY, AND RESEARCH TO DO GOOD FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL MANKIND!!!

    To everyone reading this, I'm sorry for adding more clutter to this thread, but I'm sick of reading SO MUCH B.S. that is either from idiots or deliberate distractors. And I'm not just talking about this website.

    One more thing.  Sebosfao, are you  Dankie's long lost brother? 
    Again, sorry everyone, I'm not exactly sure what lit my fuse(probably Tequila hehehe), but I am tired of trying to read about progress and broaden my thinking, only to waste my time on stupid ideas.

    There is no wiper on the coil!!!

    His drawings are only representations, not real schematics!!! 

    AND.... the wiper only represents that the circuit is tunable.

    How many tunable inductors have you seen that can handle 100Kilowatts?  I mean really W.T.F. ???

    The real tuning is through the pulse width,frequency and gate time(number of pulses) of the primary of the transformer vs the value of the bifilar charging chokes.

    Uhh, sorry, but I feel better now.

    Mike
    Edit:  I man'd up, I'm not sorry for posting this!!!

    ~hELLO
    [´
     
    I GUESS I DISCOVERED THE FUNCTION OF THE MOVABLE WIPER COIL
     
    IT IS THERE TO ACT AS A PATH FOR THE IONS TO DISCHARGE THEIR ENERGY BY INDUCING FURTHER VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE. hOWVER ITS IMPEDANCE SHOULD BE MAYBE MORE THAN 10 TIMES SMALLER THAN THAT OF THE WATER OTHER WISE CURRENT WILL LIKE TO DISCHARGE INSIDE THE WATER.. .
     
    pICTURE THIS
     
    yOU HAVE 1000 VOLTS THRU WATER
     
    yOU DISCHARGE THIS THRU A COIL WITH 10 OHMS IMPEDANCE, YOU WILL GET 100 AMPS;
     
    THIS 100 AMPS BY TRANSFORMER ACTION INDUCE A VOLTAGE IN THE OTHER COIL DURING PULiF SING OPERATION WITCH IS 10 TIMES BIGGER YOU WILL HAVE 10000 VOLTS BEING INDUCED AT 10 AMPS  AND SO ON
     
    sO IF THE CONTAMINANTS CHANGE THE FREQUENCY WILL ALSO CHANGE BECAUSE WILL CHANGE THE SPEED AND THE AMOUNT OF IONS THAT WILL BE DISCHARGED IN RELATION TO THE CHARGE WITCH IS GETING IN THE CAPACITOR FOR EACH CYCLE.
     
    baSICALY YOU NEED TO HAVE TWO COILS WITH RIGHT PROPORTION AND COUPLING TO REACH THE WATER IONIC RESONACE..
     
    i GUESS THE FREQUENCY WILL BE DICTATED BY THE MUTUAL INDUCTANCE. . ALLONG WITH THE DIELECTRIC OF WATER AND ITS CONTAMINANTS;;;

  17. sebosfato

    #117 ·

    Hello steve
     
    I´m working on it to prove the concept, this weekend i can have more done. Everything is up runing, osciloscope the circuits the igbs... And i noted a strange effect witch a certain configuration... Outlawstc have see it on skype it kind of created a ring and the sound of the alternator get really strange and the wire sharing the ground of the two igbt circuits got really hot anything else did... // I´m trying to find the right configuration.. . I´m really sure about what i´m talking about.
     
     
     
    @ mike i hope you feel better
     
    Wake up for life;
    i´m giving to you knowledge
    you should be at least respectfull
     
    BEst Regards
     
     

  18. outlawstc

    #118 ·

    there isnt much of a observation over skype my friend.. im not sure what you have going on over there completely just know ur using some igbt's and pulsing a alternator..  sure it made strange noise but this doesnt mean your on the right path.. yea i heard a noise but i didnt see any gas production.. so dont throw me in like you have accomplished somthing and i can back you up... right now seb you have what we call a hypothesis.. this means
    a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis)  or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts. keep observing and with experimentation you may be able to propose a theory..

    seb you wanna prove yourself make clear drawings and clearly describe your ideas and dont go around saying you have somthing when you havent even got results yet.. funny noises dont count.
     

  19. Steve

    #119 ·

    People,
     
    Like you all, i had some bad days too. Working day and night at this water as fuel project costs much in money and mind. Doing everything like many claim and then come to conclusions that it doesnt work is frustrating. Doing 100 tests and just see 100 failures is not doing good as well.... >:(
     
    But please keep respect for eachother. Thats really all i want here.
    We all read Sebosfato's theory's. We all know by now that he try's to think outside the box.
    Why? Because we tried everything thats inside the box. Try to see it as inspiration and not as BS. Who knows. He might tricker your mind and you might link something towards your own experiments.
     
    Mike,
    We would like so see more of your experiments, if possible. I seen you around on multiple forums for years. If you shared your knowledge here, we all could use that.
    Like i do, for example. Willing to share it all. That way your goals can be reached quicker.
    Alone it is not possible. I took some words out your post because i tought they where too much. I left the message in tact. (btw, i like whisky..)
     
    To you all:
    I know that many think that they are loonly testers and that too many are lurking.
    I have that feeling a lot. I seen so many people reading this forum and just so little amount of info is coming back. Please share all your not working experiments with us. At least it can save others money. But you may share the working ones as well... ;) ;)
     
    Steve
    Administrator
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     

  20. sebosfato

    #120 · date not recorded

    Hello guys
     
    i did more tests today and i found again that strange effect.
     
    I developed a schematic for the electron extraction that could work for the vic setup in witch the primary resonates with the water for the discharge cycle and the secondary charge the capacitor..
     
    Basically i think that the secondary must have a diode and in series a coil with fields aiding, this will form an electron pump or a very high impedance and unipolar output, while for the next cycle when the pulse on the primary is reversed the coil is connected to the cell thru one igbt, (having alredy the positive from the battery connected to one of the sides of the cell) thus discharging the ion and restricting amps as the transformer will be full of energy from the discharge....  The coil alredy energyzed but with reversed polariti will than discharge the ions... The vic configuration (secondary with coil in series with a diode there between) with the primary being pulsed but than discharged inside the water instead of reversing the pulse..
     
    Do you understand what i mean?
     
    Now i´m trying to figure a way to do this with the alternator but i´m starting to think that is more complicated...
     
     
    I need to make many many tests...
     
    Oh mike, about the variable inductor, you could be right or wrong, however there are no limits for an inductor...
     
    one thing that crossed my mind is that it could be there to cancel out the other inductor action as a mean for fine tuning the impedance of the secondary...
     
    who knows..
     
    Steve i´m going to check again your schematic...

  21. sebosfato

    #121 · date not recorded

    Important things:
     
    The impedance of the water charging circuit must be high.
     
    The impedance of the ions discharging ciruit must be low.
     
    The frequency must double. as water will see a kind of full wave rectied current. being one of the pulses generated by the ions discharge...
     
    I believe there are many ways of achieving the effect but stan tried to cover all them...
     
    The best i belive is this to consume the ions energy to further increase voltage separation... and so on...
     
    The restric current coil or amp inibhiting coil i thought of a coil witch will share both the currents going in oposite directions so closing the circuit but not allowing the electrons influx and also not allow the water to discharge;... 
     
    But this implie a center tap on the coils;;; or something else that i didn´t imagined yet.
     

  22. sebosfato

    #122 ·

    Hello guys i today tested full wave bridge rectifier on the alternator and got 16volts (dc on the field coil) on my cell just few bubles, its filtered water with some rain water.
     
    I discovered that my cell to maintain 12 v i need 200ma, with this values i will try to make some calculation. try to find the right ratio.. i don´´t know yet...
     
    I tried the schematics i thought of and didn´t succed yet. However there were more bubles than with 16v ... but i´m not sure maybe the water is not enought ionized... maybe voltage is not enought...
     
    So i will make this thing get power!!! i will make it the solid state way with the vic transformer ( i think will be easier) and the right principle... and than i will power it wiith 220v
     
    I think that i will give my circuit a nice box and buy the transformers for the isolated power suplies... i need to think everything... (i´m feeding it with my notebook ac adaptors)
     
    I believe that possibly my alternator is not being driven fast enough and i´m thinking that i don´t know how to make the alternator output become high impedance high voltage as i want, without further modifications..
     
     i know how to do it with the vic and i saw in a store that is spetialized in transformers here they have C cores E cores ... with the coil formers so i will just get one of this.
     
     
    =)

  23. sebosfato

    #123 ·

    just figured this 12v divided by 0,2 amps = 60ohms
     
    now i just puted some calculations and let the secondary be 60ohms if the primary is 6ohm i have about 3 of transformation factor... just what stan said. 12v 2 amps...
     
    I think that if water reach more than 50 volts it will start to self ionize more and discharge on the primary creating a resonant charging effect that will take voltages up to kilovolts...
     
    Notice that the primary being 6ohms while water is 60ohm... if water have 100 volts and discharge thru the 6ohm impedance and have a certain capacitance lets say 1,5 nf we will have a time that it will discharge... but initially would be a discharge of 100v divided by 6 ohm thus 18amps ... this being applied on the primary witch will induce this energy as voltage ... something like that
     
    if the water was more pure i would have more ohms thus i could have greater voltage transformation ratios.
     
    i thought like this the primary could be the path of discharge of the water... mutch like a RC oscilation... the secondary and charging choke, charges the water and the primary discharges it...
     
    I will try it right now. with a toroidal transformer i have here already...
     

  24. sebosfato

    #124 · date not recorded

    Hello i just figure out something:
     
    I said that my water was 60ohm righ
     
    I calculated the capacitance to be around 1,5 nf so to charge it up to 12v should be only needed 18 nano coulombs witch is the same as 18 nano amps applied for 1 second...
     
    This mean that my water here is way too much conductive...
     
    I was thinking about the 200 ma / 18 nano ampere  is almost 10.000.000 times more conductive than is able to retain charge...
     
    This mean that if i have a period of 1 ms i would need to apply 18 micro amp to charge up the water up to 12v but i would still have 200ua passing as a power lost
     
    i hope you start understanding the impedance relation ;
     
    I have just bought some demineralized water and i´m going to perform some test now...  if is not enought monday i will buy some bi distiled water.
     
    I believe that this is one of the keys
     
    than other important thing is to heat up the water to aid self ionization... maybe add laser energy too...
     
     
    If all this don´t work i will try using another couple of electrodes (honey comb like) inside the tubes to act as the electron extraction grid stan mention...
     
    many ideas
     
     

  25. sebosfato

    #125 · date not recorded

    I discovered today that hot water will conduct 3 times more.


    the water from the rain i had was the best one but i have no more...



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