ALTERNATOR
Started by unknown · · 162 posts · last reply 8 June 2022
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#76 · date not recorded
Fabio,
My current drawings also use 1 fet at the wfc side.....
Your teacher is right in this. Look at the Brian and Steve schematic....also 1 fet
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#77 · date not recorded
What you mean by blocking? It depends. The 1 when he approach the magnet he create a current on the coil, when he move it again he create another current. If we were to try to compare would be like you approach the magnet and than you approach the magnet again. But in our case the second approach will be generated by the ions current.
I was starting to think if stan didn't use his tubes as the coil.. but i'm not so sure.
I will stop a bit with theory and see practically, if will work. I guess it will...
If it works will mean that my theory holds.
If not we must find the right phase and combinations of coils capacitors and diodes... And is done. Because certainly the energy come from the ions.
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#78 ·
Steve for me now is so clear =) -
#79 ·
Now lets talk about the alternator...
My alternator, have 60uh windings, for every rpm it will generate 4 hertz.
If i could have a coil that would totalize 5mh and i had the tube cell stan used 1° time witch second my calculations were around 150nf all tubes in parallel.
I would have 5,8khz as my resonant frequency, witch mean that i would need to drive the alternator stator field with this frequency as to self accelerate the alternator during resonance. I believe it can become self oscillating and thus probably dangerous... I will use breakers for 40 amp for safety...
I i would have much lesser capacitance i would like to pulse the field coil in phase lock with the resonance, this way i could have very high frequency at low Rpm.
Hope you understand what i mean.
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#80 · date not recorded
Now lets talk about the alternator...
My alternator, have 60uh windings, for every rpm it will generate 4 hertz.
If i could have a coil that would totalize 5mh and i had the tube cell stan used 1° time witch second my calculations were around 150nf all tubes in parallel.
I would have 5,8khz as my resonant frequency, witch mean that i would need to drive the alternator at about 1,500 rpm...
I i would have much lesser capacitance i would like to pulse the field coil in phase lock with the resonance, this way i could have very high frequency at low Rpm.
Hope you understand what i mean.
The xc and XL i understand, but in your schematic i dont understand it..
Can you explain it to me?
Steve
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#81 · date not recorded
Here is food for your brain, Fabio.
Hope you like it.
As you can see, is the second battery, or capacitor, charged with the EEC...
So, every new pulse is done with a higher voltage on the primary coil...
Meaning, the wfc gets a higher shot and the EEC delivers more volts to the cap/battery.
So, it is step charging............
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#82 · date not recorded
seb i dont think you understand the alternator clearly.. or maybe i dont
the way i see it is the alternators frequency is based of of geometrical shape.. if you look the rotor it has claw poles coupleing from front and back of the rotor.. one is north and one is south... 6 north poles and 6 south poles.. one turn of the rotor in 1 second is 6 hertz.. swings up and down in 6 reps
2 turns in one second is 12 hertz and so on,,
1rpm would be .1hz..
if 1 turn in 1 second is 6 hertz then one rpm is 60 times longer then 1 second (the hz measurment)
ok i did the measurments on my alternator.. it has a 5 inch pully on a 220 volts 3450 rpm 2hp motor..
my alternator has a 3 inch pully.. this is a 3/5 ratio or a 5/3 depending on perspective.. is glass half empty or full?
you could say that the alternator turns the ac motor 3/5
or you could say the ac motor turns the alternator 5/3
5/3= 1.666
so for every 1 turn of my ac motor my alternator pully turns 1.666 times
if my motor is 3450rpm it is also 57.5 cycles per second.. (3450/ 60= 57.5)
57.5 x 1.666= 95.795
so my alternator is turning at 95.795 cycles a second which is 5747.7 rpm
if my rotor produces 6 hertz per turn then 95.795 cycles per second will produce
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#83 · date not recorded
Questions to you all out there:
We have 2 battery's.
1. 2V and 100 amps
2. 12V and 1 amp
What happen if we hook them up in serie. (all components can handle 100 amps)
Might it be that we get 14V potential diff and 101 amps current?
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#84 · date not recorded
Questions to you all out there:
We have 2 battery's.
1. 2V and 100 amps
2. 12V and 1 amp
What happen if we hook them up in serie. (all components can handle 100 amps)
Might it be that we get 14V potential diff and 101 amps current?
Steve
Quick answer to that:
you will end up with 14 volts 1 amp.
But if you have a battery of 12v giving 5 amp and other in parallel 12v giving 100 amp you have 105 amp.
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#85 · date not recorded
Outlawstc you are right! i was confused there are 12 poles on my alternator thus 6 Hz per rpm. I also forgot to count that rpm is per minute thus 60 seconds. Thank you for pointing that!
=)
Sebos
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#86 · date not recorded
@ steve
100amp/ 2v = 50 siemens
1amp / 12v = .0833 siemens
the 12v and 2 volt will gain the total of series being 14 volts they will superimpoise there resistive qualitys.. the one amp batter haveing higher resistance will regulate the voltage
you will have a total potential of 14 volts @ 1.1662amps
i think you would simply take the most resistive value and and times it by the series
14v x .0833 siemens= 1.1662 amps
seb and everone else
also with the 3 phases combine you are not getting a pulse frequency in the cell without gating... the 574.77hz my alternator is producing is rectified dc.. 3 signals superimposed (3phase) will give you dc ripple of frequency..alternator secrets.pdf
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#87 · date not recorded
notice your mistake seb.. 1 amp is inacurate because you not accounting for the 2 extra volts being superimpsed onto the 12 volt battery!!:) that 2 volts raised the amperage of the 12 volt 1 amp by .1662 amps! (volts out power resistance raising amps as volts go up in ANY material conducting)
man i feel like i gain the key to the universe lol
i can see the ratio for acceleration of signal in a medium now..
we must learn drift velocities of electrons.. we must refraim from the example of amps in reference to how may electrons pass a given point to how fast they travel in a medium under different potentials.. need to know how long the travel from a to b is in the cell gap..
if they were in parallel wouldnt your 12volt battery charge the 2 volt battery to the point where the 12v it dead and only holding 2 volts? a negative 12v hooked to a negative 2 volts would that not create current of 10 volts @.833 amps flowing into 2 volt battery? (10v x .0833 simens)
if you were to pull a load you would have 2v @ 100.833 amps? -
#88 · date not recorded
Hope you understand what i mean.
The xc and XL i understand, but in your schematic i dont understand it..
Can you explain it to me?
Steve
Which one you are talking about?? -
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notice your mistake seb.. 1 amp is inacurate because you not accounting for the 2 extra volts being superimpsed onto the 12 volt battery!!:) that 2 volts raised the amperage of the 12 volt 1 amp by .1662 amps! (volts out power resistance raising amps as volts go up in ANY material conducting)
man i feel like i gain the key to the universe lol
i can see the ratio for acceleration of signal in a medium now..
we must learn drift velocities of electrons.. we must refraim from the example of amps in reference to how may electrons pass a given point to how fast they travel in a medium under different potentials.. need to know how long the travel from a to b is in the cell gap..
Yes you are right! the resistance would not change...=) Yes they accelerate but mainly on conductive materials there are so many of them that they move very slow. There is a mit lecture about this on you tube electricity and magnetism...
We should be able to calculate yes the mobility of the ions in water too. Tonight i'm going to the university to consult a teacher specialized in atomic physics...
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#90 · date not recorded
Here is food for your brain, Fabio.
Hope you like it.
As you can see, is the second battery, or capacitor, charged with the EEC...
So, every new pulse is done with a higher voltage on the primary coil...
Meaning, the wfc gets a higher shot and the EEC delivers more volts to the cap/battery.
So, it is step charging............
Steve
This is the spirit but i'm not sure if will work exactly like that.
Did you tried it already?
Today i think that i understood the alternator operation. You will give to the field coil the the pulses at the resonant frequency, and than it will charge the water and make the current to pass... Being the field coil alternating current and the other coils direct current coming from the ions the alternator should almost self run. the alternator speed will not change the resonant frequency but i guess there might be an optimum rpm.
I will buy an analogue voltage reducer for my motor and finish to assembly it now.
The adjustable coil is just needed on the other two circuits connected to the other windings of the alternator, because as it is phase locked with one resonating circuit, he than need to fine tune the other two...
After the alternator i'm gonna use a 30amps 5mh bifilar coil witch will be my resonant coil. It will be connected just like stan show on the electron extraction circuit. But being the resonant chokes = to this coil (the secondary will be the alternator)
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#91 · date not recorded
Try this one...
12v at 100amps/hour
in serie with
2V at 100amp / second
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14V at 100amp/sec ??
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#92 · date not recorded
negative steve..
you cant compare time with batteries in series... doesnt make sense we are not viewing consumption we are viewing available potential at a given moment
12v @ 100 amp
2v @ 100 amp
we must know the siemens!!
100amp/12v= 8.333
100amp/ 2v =50
we take the highest resistance which is the lower siemens (8.333) and times it by the new potential in series
14vx 8.333= 116.662 amps!
14v @116.662 amps
the reason we choose the lower value siemens is because it has the highest resistance..
which sounds more resistive?
a gain of 8.3 amps per volt in a given material or
50 amps per volt?
its obvious a material that gains less amps per volt is more resistive..
now lets reverse the idea of resistance between the 2 batteries
a 12v 100 amp in series with a 2 v 1amp
this in series provides the following equation
100amp/12v = 8.333 amps per volt.
1amp /2v = .5
now we have a battery that es really weak and one semi powerfull in series
the difference is in the first example steve gave the higher potiental (12v) battery was that battery of most resistance which gave us the numbers to go by.. (14v x .0833siemens) gave us 1.1662 amps
this way we have a high power forcing 12 extra volts to flow through its resistance.. this i would think would over load the material of the battery to the point of burning up.. if the smaller batter could handle the current then it would be the following
you would take the simen of least value which represents the value with the smalled vaule of amps per given volt..
it is .5 siemens for the 2 volt 1 amp battery..
14v series x .5 simens =7amps..
so the small lower power battery should try to maintain around 7 amps until a it burns up or B it can handle the load which may be simple a construction parameter to achive
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#93 · date not recorded
Try this one...
there is no unit of current per time.
12v at 100amps/hour
in serie with
2V at 100amp / second
=
14V at 100amp/sec ??
Steve
12V with a charge of 100Ah and 2V with 100As would be 14V at 100A for 1s. After that 12-14V with <100Ah or even less, because the 2V battery will be charged probably. -
#94 · date not recorded
thanks....
Now i am depressed...
How would you people re-use the charge gained from the wfc?
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#95 ·
it is clear that amps measure the quantity of electrons passing a given point..
we need to learn more about electrical current induced by perpetuation.. stan says in his videos thatr there is a self pumping action that occurs in the cell and for that reason they will remain clean.. amps are flowing 90 degrees out because the charge is not leaving the tubes (more conductive) with a high ring.. the sharp rise time creates the 90 out of phase because it the potental is shoot toward the end of the tube then leaking into water if potential persist (not terminated)..
the key to the electron extraction circuit is knowing its real job.. it was creates to switch the high potential of negative voltage into light.. another form of energy!.. he did this like sebs say but no coil just the resistance of light and resistors from what i understand he would switch the from igbt positive collector (extraction conductor tube) back to secondary... this speeds up the fracturing of water by maintaining instabliity of the water even on the off stage of voltage pulse.. so he would create power from ions to maintain the imbalance.. this is efficency! you could say you are attacking water with 2 prosses that create 100 percent duty.. the lights also provide and maintain resistance.. the same time gives you the ability to consume electrons which higher the energy of water further then standard water polarization process.. so all in all it may not be a more efficent process from the transformer aspect but its gas energy state results make up for it? -
#96 · date not recorded
what do you think of this seb
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/scrrelaxationoscillator.jpg) -
#97 · date not recorded
i TRIED TO BUT DIDN´T UNDERSTOOD... WHY THE FULL WAVE BRIDGE AND THE RESISTOR IN SERIES WITH THE CAPACITOR, I THINK YOU REPRESENTED THE 3 PHASES RIGHT?
I´M WORKING ON A SCHEMATIC, ACTUALLY ITS READY AND IS =TO THE ELECTRON EXTRACTION STAN SHOWED BUT THE SECONDARY IS ONE OF THE PHASES OF THE ALTERNATOR AND THE FIELD COIL IS FEED WITH THE AC RESONANT FREQUENCY..
tHE FACT IS THAT MY COMPUTER GOT BROKEN SOMEHOW SO I CANNOT MAKE ANY DRAWINGS AND I HAVE NO SCANNER OR ANYTHING THAT I COULD USE TO COMUNICATE BETTER WITH YOU...
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bUT THE ALTERNATOR BEING CONSTANTLY PUSHED BY THE MOTOR WILL GIVE IT THE ABILITY OF ACCELERATE IF DIRECT CURRENT FROM FROM ITS SECONDARIES... iF THE FIELD COIL IS FEED WITH AC ... YOU JUST NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT POLARITY OF THE TWO COILS. AND REMEMBER THEY SHOULD BE COULPLED...
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? -
#98 · date not recorded
DO YOU REMEMBER THE STAN HAND DRAWINGS, CHECK THEM OUT ANOTHER TIME.
oPEN AN OLD PHYSICS CHEMISTRY BOOK AND YOU SEE THE REPRESENTATION JUST THE SAME AS HE DID...
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#99 · date not recorded
DO YOU REMEMBER THE STAN HAND DRAWINGS, CHECK THEM OUT ANOTHER TIME.
oPEN AN OLD PHYSICS CHEMISTRY BOOK AND YOU SEE THE REPRESENTATION JUST THE SAME AS HE DID...
Can you Be more specific? -
#100 · date not recorded
im sorry seb this i think would go with the unit stan made that uses variable transformer not the alternator if you want me to move it i will
the drawing seb speaks of is the napkin drawing