ALTERNATOR
Started by unknown · · 162 posts · last reply 8 June 2022
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#151 · date not recorded
Fabio, i dont understand your question here....
Can you re write it?
Bigger in sense of more mass?
And where did you read that in the gassious state, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms have the same size?
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#152 ·
All the gas molecules have the same volume at same pressure and temperature that’s what I mean… for example hydrogen is two parts and oxygen one although it’s 8 time heavier when we split the molecule
However in water molecule form the oxygen is much bigger so in liquid state the oxigên oxygen occupy a larger space and so maybe the radial configuration should be better with the positive from the outer electrode…just a guesss
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#153 ·
Interesting
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#154 ·
Pressure is equivalent to gravity force in a sense and so it is possible to convert this force into work
Kelvin water drop is a manner to generate electricity using charging by induction principle
Is a low current high voltage power source and so is no so useful
Generating h2 generates pressure so the mass of h2 o2 x pressure equal to work… of course real world situation would prevent too high of pressure but from This we can conclude that work can be extracted back after generating the gas
Now…if we have pressure, and mass to flow, should be possible to use this in a feedback manner reducing the input energy required
My guess is that it could be using the kelvin mechanism to generate electricity and afterwards further causing ionization of the gas
There is aways balance so if we take electron from somewhere it will be in excess elsewhere so I’m not sure how far Meyer is from theory
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#155 ·
I always thought that the epg was powerd by the pressure of the produced hho gas....
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#156 · date not recorded
Back to the alternator idea, perhaps as the induction 3 phase motor is not synchronized it’s load in reference to the alternator if connected to a belt as load and as source of electricity will be equivalent to the rpm relation among the two… so if the induction motor is to run at 3600 rpm and the alternator is at 3000 it will be pushing the alternator rpm up with the alternator voltage…. I think it would need to be a multipolar 3 phase motor to get up with the frequency… or maybe the gate could do this job of converting to a lower frenquecy but it would need to be in sync to resonate or something -
#157 ·
https://www.toppr.com/ask/question/the-amplitude-of-electric-field-in-a-parallel-light-beam-of-intensity-4wm2-is/
In this links you see the electromagnetic force an electron will experience if a beam of light walks thru it….
Basically to increase the electric field you can focus the beam to a point and now this come to that movie about cold fusion with Morgan freeman
A focus beam of light interacting with high voltage fields
Basically the light may have enough energy to initially disturb the electron to a position where the electric field applied will be relevant to keep the molecule atoms apart
Because Meyer say there is no current involved it seems to me that the reaction may cause a sort of series discharge along the water thickness as it had hundreds of cells in series… that can only be possible if the point of resonance is achieved because the molecules within the volume is going to be polarized just like the molecules around the plates
Laser energy may be required or maybe focus sunlight could be used for tests… however of course is not practical
Meyer talk about infrareds and visible light
Infrareds are in the absorption spectrum of water as it causes stretching or vibrating and or combinations of it at specific frequencies
The reason why I believe it extremely necessary to really do any effect in the molecule is because of the order of magnitude of the electron field is kind of 1000fold of the obtainable electric field applied to water
If we consider quantum mechanics it tells that there is energy there already and so there may be moments where the electrons are in a region where it is able to receive the electric field
Looking at it from a laser perspective if most of molecules are resting in peace than is not possible to achieve lasing laser occurs when all the energy of the molecules are trigered and released all at once
So we need to pump the molecules to that state to be able to get that triggereable reaction
My educated guess is that this energy would be released in the form of monoatomic molecules that secondarily forms diatomic molecules generating heat (vibration) or perhaps a burst of same light that may return the energy to surrounding molecules of water
If we have a piece of iron laying in the ground and we want a magnet to be able to pull it up it than it need to have a force greater than gravity to start any movement of the iron in the up direction.
Similarly if water is in the energy range where it has a rest state it will not be able to oscillate by the electric field applied if it’s not greater than the force holding the water together, however I imagine that any disturbance invalidates this already since it is not in rest state anymore than there may be interaction of the applied electric field to some extent even if very small.
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#158 ·
Meyer had a spherical cell design with an opening for a laser
This tell me that the laser may only be needed for the starting of the reaction
As I described there is a possibility that when the electrons are recombined it creates a new photon that will keep going
Somehow it may become full of photons and that’s the point of gas on demand
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#159 ·
Laser cut
electro erosion
Light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation
co2 laser? Mirrors? Water laser?
From what I understand when the population is said inverted and a beam of light cross it it get amplified..
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#160 ·
The good thing is that the available lasers are way more powerfull then at the time Meyer was working on this...
If you make a shiny spherical cell, then you should be able to run some tests and see if the gas is powerfull that comes out or maybe the cell is more energy efficient.
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#161 · date not recorded
Yes man!
i think this is my goal... perhaps find a way to see if there is some EASING action could be an indication that it could be the way... water being the lasing medium under discharge, just like a co2 tube...
i think the tubes could be used too with two mirrors on both sides but having a way to let the laser light source get in...
From what i remember lasers have one mirror with 5% transparancy to get the laser out or something
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#162 · date not recorded
Without reading all the pages of this thread, I would just like to chime in with the setup I had.
I used a 1978 Ford f150 alternator.
Was prolly a 60 amp unit.
Opened it up and removed the voltage regulator.
Re-routed the diodes outside the case and re assembled the case. I used a variac for the excite wire and a bridge rectifier to make the output 3-phase unregulated DC
It worked nice but I wish I would have been able to fluctuate the rpms of the motor. All I had was a one speed motor and so I never was able to change the frequency of the output. Hope this helps.
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