ALTERNATOR — IonizationX

#51 · date not recorded

I did not fully understood. but from what i've being thinking in one of the stan patents he just recharge the battery and drive the load

I think that stan did it more easy he probably used a dc motor to run the alternator than he used the alternator connected to 3 set of tubes and used the electron extraction circuit to accelerate the dc motor. this way he take the mains 110v and and his variac with full bridge rectifier and a capacitor this controlling the motor. With but he than use this capacitor as the discharge path from the electron extraction circuit witch in turn will accelerate the alternator with easy.

_The alternator to be self run i think is difficult because of the phase things, if it were biphase would be easier... or maybe the inductor stan used had the ablility of changing ths phase relationship.. well i'm not so sure but i'm sure that we all are going to succeed.

sebosfato

#52 · date not recorded

Check this drawing

attachment_5988 Electron extraction circuit.png

haroldcr

#53 · date not recorded

A Google of that aquamovel, shows a couple different cars. Can't find any info about the cars, though ??

sebosfato

#54 · date not recorded

me too and i found it strange because they are not sold anymore. i could not find more info too. only my brother and my cousin also told me, it was very cool full of lights, there was the firemen truck and police cars ...

sebosfato

#55 · date not recorded

I thought i little better and i'm going to make a simple square wave generator and variate the frequency using the transformer i have here if i find some resonance i will than make the pll feed back.. . I will use just a square wave 50% generator... 4046 and a driver with the 2 optocouplers with its owns isolated power sources... and Those might be igbts i believe about 60 amps its ok to start, with the high amp diodes in series to ensure that the circuit keep closed ... =)

Steve

#56 · date not recorded

Quote from: sebosfato on August 29, 2010, 20:48:44 pm

Check this drawing

What you do on this schematic is adding the voltage that you extract to the secondairy voltage? Like normally the secondairy produces 10V. By using the extracted voltage, you basically add a coil like battery to the secondairy.
When the extracted pulse delivers a 10V also, you end up with 20V?

Again, i just try to understand..

sebosfato

#57 · date not recorded

Quote from: Steve on August 29, 2010, 22:51:28 pm

Quote from: sebosfato on August 29, 2010, 20:48:44 pm
Check this drawing

What you do on this schematic is adding the voltage that you extract to the secondairy voltage? Like normally the secondairy produces 10V. By using the extracted voltage, you basically add a coil like battery to the secondairy.
When the extracted pulse delivers a 10V also, you end up with 20V?

Again, i just try to understand..

I basically discharged the ions into a isolated circuit witch will discharge their energy in form of magnetic field (increasing the aways rising voltage across the water) Using the secondary coil as a second primary coil than there is another coil witch might or might not be coupled to the other coil on the top...

The extracted voltage will be equal to the input voltage but the amperage will be high i believe. I'm not sure if is actually needed to add a load, but i believe that the energy will be accumulated on the transformer and used in sequenced pulses to increase voltage every pulse.

Steve

#58 · date not recorded

I think i understand now pretty well what you mean..

I found the pic of the return spike of my tubecell...
Here it is..

attachment_5990 wfc voltage spike return.jpg

sebosfato

#59 · date not recorded

This is exactly what i'm saying

Steve

#60 · date not recorded

We must try to time this right, is it.
The pulse that trickers the primairy must start at the same time as the pulse on the extraction circuit...

sebosfato

#61 · date not recorded

Ok i got the old computer back to life today and now i have an oscilloscope. Thanks god. . Just need to find a mouse.

yes i think must be all in synchronistic than you just chose with how much pulses you want to put in turning on or of the pll... on pin 5

sebosfato

#62 · date not recorded

Hello guys i need your help to make this project to finish as soon as possible.

I need the following, if you can help me good, if not stay tuned and learn too.

I need a variable voltage supply that variate from 3 volts up to 14 volts up to 5 amps. Any schematics would help.

I need a good program for using the pc as an oscilloscope. using the sound card. If you can help indicating me one program i thank you.

I need some information about how to drive a 3 phase motor.

I also need to find a good optocoupler with up to 5kv isolation that can drive igbts and or a driver to drive that igbt also...

That igbt..

The rest i get here already.

Well thank you everyone for reading. I believe that finally we found the answer.

cheers

sebosfato

#63 · 30 Aug 2010

Look this is what i think it should look like:

attachment_5992 Foto criada em 2010-08-29 às 21.10.jpg

sebosfato

#64 · 30 Aug 2010

Again the basic idea:

attachment_5994 Foto criada em 2010-08-29 às 22.25.jpg

sebosfato

#65 · 30 Aug 2010

Stephen did the same thing as meyer if he did succeed.

I can assure you that if you try to understand the principle i'm explaining to you, you will understand.. . And you will see that is the only way it could work.
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Think with me, what stan aways said. Voltage does perform work and is not consumed in an electronic circuit.

You charge the water capacitor with voltage. This voltage on the plates will attract to them the oppositely charged ion. The greater the voltage the greater is the force of attraction. Electrostatic meaning of Voltage is = to opposite charges separated.. The greater is the separation, the greater will be the voltage, even if the charge remain the same. Now happen something, ions have a max speed in water and if the electric field is turned off in fact in a millisecond charges should have come back together to neutralize... As they are attached to the electrodes, if you just close the electric circuit the electrons from the OH- ions will jump to the electrode to go discharging in the other side the H+ ions because the electrical resistance of the coil will be lower than the resistance offered by the mobility of the ion...

So if you have there 10 coulombs of separated charges in the water capacitor per cycle, 1khz you will generate 1 gram of hydrogen every ten seconds.

Thus gas production increase exponentially with voltage because the force acting over the distance increase with the square relationship of distance, witch is not the case with faraday.

sebosfato

#66 · 30 Aug 2010

I have just calculated the capacitance of each tube, being the internal tube 1,27mm diameter X 500mm long Than the capacitance is

199cm2 = 0,0199 m2
Relative constant of water 81
Absolute constant = 707 pf /m2
1mm = 0,001 meter

So (Area m2 * absolute constant / distance in meters

So 0,0199 * 707 / 0,001 = 14.069 pf or +- 14 nf

If the gap is 1,5 mm the capacitance become

So 0,0199 * 707 / 0,0015 = 9,379 pf or +- 9,4 nf

You see?

If this is the capacitance than to ring at 5khz the inductor must be around 100 uh witch is quite reasonable for a high current inductor.

Steve

#67 · 30 Aug 2010

Dankie has become a guestmember from now on.
I mean there will be no posting by this person done on this forum, which he think is crap.

Steve
administrator

haroldcr

#68 · 30 Aug 2010

Thank You, Steve

Steve

#69 · 30 Aug 2010

Sebos,

Here is the schematic that I used. Warp came up with it, some years ago.
As you can see, the drawing is part me and part Brian...

If you take a look, you see No external powersupply for the rotor.
We took the power for the rotor from the wfc and it worked fine!
All you have to do, is to jumpstart the wfc with a battery and then it runs all by himself.

Steve

attachment_6002 circuit1a.jpeg

sebosfato

#70 · 30 Aug 2010

Well, it seems great and even better if you are saying that it worked.... I Just didn't understood yet why the energy is feedback there. Could you explain?

How much gas it generated? What voltages? Amperages?

Steve

#71 · date not recorded

You have to understand that the rotor must have volts and current to create a magnetic field.
As soon as the rotor is charged and is moving across the stator, it will create power and powers up the wfc.
In the schematic, you see the power for the rotor coming off the wfc!

In your new theory, we must change some things to this schematic.
There must be an extra coil added to the STATOR. That should become your EEC coil.
The rotor must get a 50% squarewave on it. When the rotor goes down on signal, the EEC must pull the charge out the wfc into the extra coil on the stator.

If i remember well, Donald or Don told us that the alternator of Stan had indead that extra coil in the stator, btw......

Let me make a drawing...

outlawstc

#72 · date not recorded

i think im gonna join yalls ban wagon and try to feel what sebs trying to do... i remember stans vids and from what i remember about eec.. it switches on during the off time of voltage to the cell and the discharge of current would be used to generate light (consume electrons ).. i didnt know there was another coil for the eec...i thought stan simply conumed the negative voltage as light... which in return was used in the cell.. when you have a series of leds wired up and connected as it they were the coil you speak of.. fill me in a lil more why u feel this is the way.. if you decide to use around 18 gauge for tha alternator i know 6 loop per inductor is a bit much.. will want somthin like 3-4 per loop... the thing is 3 loops is 6 because loops over lap in the cavitys of stator.. so with 6 per indunctor you get 36 in each cavity.. (realy tight with 18).. this is how i have my alternator at the moment..

Steve

#73 · date not recorded

I made 8 drawings....
The best one looks like a bedini circuit....A battery is used to power the wfc and the wfc is charging another battery.....

:'(

Not yet 1 schematic that is adding that charge up.....

Tomorrow another day

sebosfato

#74 · date not recorded

Cool steve, bring more info about that if you can...

Today i bought some stuff that i will need for doing the circuits

I got this for today
2 igbts
toshiba mg50q2ys40

The guy actually borrowed me this two it would cost here about 350 euro, this were already used...

4 tc 4429 inverter drivers
4 4n25 optocouplers http://www.datasheetcatalog.net/pt/datasheets_pdf/4/N/2/5/4N25.shtml
5 cd 4046 pll
5 cd 4001 nor gates
3 pre perforated pcb boards
connectors for my new pc oscilloscope
I also got a 50 amp 1000v full bridge rectifier and other 2 1000v 10 amps rectifier

I will still need some more stuff... I have spent equivalent to 50 euros for this stuff...

Now i need to tell you

I was talking to my chemistry teacher this morning and i told him about the project and during our conversation i realized something.
When he told me that instantaneously if you switch between the two igbts the charges will not hold there on the electrode. (if we turn of the voltage) So i realized that maybe there is only one 1igbt and the other might only be a diode, because it will keep the capacitor charged not allowing it to discharge...

And also that maybe this pulse to the igbt must be twice the frequency of the transformer and should start 90° after the first pulse.

Because this way voltage will be at max when you allow the ions to discharge...

=)

Steve

#75 · date not recorded

I think it all end up like Stan said it was....Man, hear me talking...
Most of his VIC schematics show 1 core.
Why? Its all about creating magnetic fields, which create volts and amps....Yeh, i know.

To understand it all a bit better, i have a video for you.

coil.mov