Steve

have you built all Stan's tech acording to specs and does not work?i don't think so! you discredit his tech only by a theory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvxvHLh-k5k&feature=plcp

if the guy had a proper transformer hidrogen will be pouring out of those pipes,he has only 800 wraps in total or so,Stans transformer should have aprox. 10000 wraps,so we must keep trying and replicate at least John experiment,and then came up with theories...

Dont understand me wrong, but i didnt have seen any working replication of Meyer, yet.
So, i dropped the question, if we are not chasing ghosts here........

I have made several attempts. Created the nicest scopeshots.
But still not one indication that there was a more efficient way of creating hydrogen.

Still i hope to be wrong and we succeed in cracking Meyers patents.

Steve

The story of Meyer, as we know it, might end here.

Breaking a covalent bond absorbs energy, as energy is required to break the bond - the energy is absorbed when the bonds are broken.

So breaking a bond without energy is simply not possible........


Any reaction from you outthere?

Steve

Dito!

Nice work, mr Shell. ( Quick or Time)
Looking forward to see a video of yr production durIng resonance and also without resonance, including voltage/amperage input.

I do not want to be the party destroyer. If you get gas under special conditions, then you must research it futher in details! But always keep comparing strait DC vs. yr new setup and gas output.

Just some advise from an experienced tester, who did more then 1000 tests on hho..

Steve

Hi TS,

I just find it so strange that people are doing that.

Yes, you can try adding some calcium on yr tubes, like many did, except for Meyer...
The best discussions where done here, btw.
Including guys like A. Petty. They all have been here or are still here.
I think making adverticements for other forums on this forum is disrespectful towards me and to the members who done so many work here, last years.

Steve

I think everybody has the same issue here.
Its a very good attempt, but it is still electrolysis at the end.
Of course till someone proves otherwise...

Hi Everybody,

I’m new in this forum and I’m impressed about the amount of information I could find here. Let me express my gratitude for this first. Then here is my question/thought:

I’ve been studying the Stanley Meyer WFC, water fuelled car (dune buggy),… technology for quite a time now, I’ve read the technical Memo’s of Stan, checked out You tube for HHO experiments …

But what keeps puzzling me is that (as far as I am aware off) nobody really uses a PC to help out with the testing/finetuning of the Stan Meyer concept. If you take a look at for example the Dune buggy of Stan. It had a home build PC to steer the HHO gas production, the VIC’s, the injection system,… And this was in the 80’s early 90’s. Nowadays we have easy programmable PC’s to support us in such difficult tasks. Did anybody of you already tried to integrate the help of the PC into his experiments with HHO (for example the monitoring of gas production, keeping track of results while doing the tests, steering the VIC, steering the pulse frequency,…)? Or maybe you use the PC to process the formulas Meyer explained in his technical memo’s to support you for getting the VIC settings right?

I already bought me some equipment to build my first HHO resonant cavity. But before I start I want to capture all the formulas Meyer has mentioned in his technical memo’s into an excel, link them and try to calculate the best dimensions for the VIC coils. My next step would be then to monitor the Resonant cavity with the PC for results, performance, pulse frequency,…

I don’t know (yet) what the obstacles are to start testing with the help of a PC but maybe you could already share your thoughts on this.
Thank for getting back to me, I appreciate all your comments.

WaterFuel

Hi waterfuel,

Welcome!

My suggestion is to start with a baseline experiment.
Build your testcel. Put dc on it, measure gasoutput, measure consumed power.
Everything else you try must be more efficient then your baseline results.....


Steve




 

How are you going to test pressure, geenee?
Please do not try pressure on hho.
Only on H.

Steve

So how do you create H1 from brownsgas, Geenee?
Or Rus?

Any good ideas?
Remember that brownsgas has only maximum of 3% H1.
Rest is H2.


Steve

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stanley-Meyer-Water-Fuel-Cell-Water-Powered-Car-Book-Brochures-Memorabilia-/301020167627?pt=UK_Antiques_Science_RL&hash=item4616333dcb


For the record: its not me   

the thing is that nitrogen sources and water form NOx oxides with form HNO3 which turn most balanced equations that make nitrogen compounds to the wrong side because of le chattelier principle.. this ammonia synthesis is quite hard...

Yes. But i am very curious if this might work.
Electrolysed hydrogen atoms bonding with nitrogen or carbons....
If that can work in the waterbath....

Hi,

Have a look at this old document.
On page 361 its clear that nascient hydrogen bonds with nitrogen.
This makes ammonia. Ammonia is solvable in water.........
Burning water.
Fuel
injector
Meyer

WHAT IF WE WERE TO COMBINE THE OUTPUTS OF ALL 9 VIC COILS IN SERIES?

WHAT IF THE GATING SIGNAL WAS COMMON TO ALL 9 VIC COILS IN SERIES?

DOES THIS EXPLAIN WHY ALL THE WFC CAPS ARE SHOWN CONNECTED IN SERIES AS ONE BIG SERIES CONNECTED CAPACITOR?

SO EACH VIC CIRCUIT MAINTAINS ITS OWN CHOKE RESONANT FREQUENCY TO RESTRICT AMPS...BUT THE OUTPUTS ARE ADDED TO GET SUPER HIGH VOLTAGE?

309 TURNS PRIMARY 2000 TURNS SECONDARY AND 2000 TURNS ON EACH CHOKE, BUT THOSE EFFECTIVLY CANCEL EACHOTHER OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE OPPOSING EACHOTHERS MAGNETIC FLUX TO RESTRICT AMPS ... SO EACH VIC COIL IS AROUND A 7 TO 1 STEP UP FROM 12 VOLTS

THIS GIVES 84 VOLTS AT EACH OUTPUT BUT IN SERIES WE HAVE 9 VIC COILS FOR 756 VOLTS DC ACROSS THE WATER FUEL CELLS, WHICH ARE A HUGE CAPACITOR AND WITH STEP CHARGING THE CAPS CAN REACH TWICE THE SUPPLY VOLTAGE DUE TO THE DE Q ING DIODES IN THE VICS

SO WE GET 1500 VOLTS, AT THE RIGHT FREQUENCY TO PULL APART H2O WITH ALMOST ZERO AMPS

IS THIS THE SECRET?

I dont think so, Ali.
There was one vic for each tubeset.

But dont let this stop you from trying things out.
Nobody has the answers at the moment.

Steve

I'm searching for a lookup table for the value of resistors of notation type 1002F / 2221F. Are the resistors 1%?

Br,
Webmug

My two cents...

That will be probably:
1002 = 10000 ohm
2221 = 2220 ohms

Just like with capacitors.....


Steve

Good link!
I orderd one for myself as well!

Steve

I would avoid the toroid co`s its not in the his vic matrix patent, probably best to use the later patents. The stainless wire looks like it is used with his injectors so avoiding them will save u a lot of hassle. Read the vic patent and learn the different technologys he talks of (vic and vec) as he flips between them almost in the same sentence, this makes reading his patents easier, i think the vic is a simplier build. His vic is reasonably well described except the primary coil, he said the primary is bi-directional wrap...bi is 2, 2 directions and wrap means wrapped around the former. The bi-directional is one half of the transformer primary is wound in one direction and the other half is then wound in the opposite direction forming 2 coils of opposing magnetic fields, this is wound longitudal to the chokes and secondary,i am 98% certain that is exactly how it is wound. Another tip would be if u put a resistor in miss out the voltage multiplier coil for now but not the electron inhibitor coil, you can make it a variable resistor for easy adjustment.

I have had this producing gas but there is some sort of "tuneing" needed i cannot work out at the moment, but haveing gas production with uA`s flowing out of my mini vic shows it can be done.


(this post came from Joe2 at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7765-hho-production-stan-meyer-style.html)

well my wire came in today so I successfully wrapped one choke by hand and it took me about 3 hrs to do...very tiring to do lol...but its with in range of Don's resistance measurements. It's 3,000 wraps and has a resistance of 75.5 Ohms. I compared it to Stan's VIC and it matches up perfect in size. Here's a picture of it.

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/My_VIC_1-2.jpg)

Its one the the jobs i hate to do as well......
Looks good!

Steve

@Tony:
As I see it the main differences between Puharich's circuit and Stan's is the diode, and the voltage (Puharich used very low voltages). Puharich does not use a diode for rectification. This is the very strange thing about Puharich's circuit, namely that he states, that the WFC starts to act like a diode if he connects it to his circuit and rectifies the applied AC-Waveform. The only idea I could have, why this rectification could take place would be the inhomogeneous E-Field in the WFC due to the tubular arrangement.
It would be interesting, if anyone was ever able to replicate this rectification by the WFC. For one thing could be interesting: If you somehow manage, that the WFC starts to act like a diode, then you could suddenly apply a very high voltage to the WFC in the blocking direction of the WFC "diode". In this way the water would suddenly see a very high E-field, but the current couldn't flow.
But my personal guess is, that this rectification only happens at very low voltages, as Puharich used. If the inhomogeneous E-Field is responsible for it, it could be, that the E-Field differences just make the final step if the anode-reaction-potential is reached or not. Which means, the anode reaction could take place at the inner tube wall, as there the E-Field is stronger, but not take place at the outside tubewall, as there the E-Field is smaller. If this is the way Puharich's rectification took place, it wouldn't be possible to use this principle to apply a short HV-burst.
BTW: At these low voltages (below the reaction  potential) the WFC actually really acts like an almost perfect capacitor with a very high resistance. This is actually the basic principle how the low-voltage Super-Caps do work. Therefore it was probably very easy for Puharich to get a resonant circuit, as the WFC really just acted like a capacitor, and if the voltage just reached the critical reaction-potential it started to also act like a diode in one direction.


@Andy:
Actually I don't think the last hypothesis is really reasonable. But it was early in the morning  ...


Sorry again, to get that much Offtopic in this thread. I will again do the experiments with the "8xA circuit", but this time, with the AC waveform on resonance and not the Ton/Toff on resonance. But I will then start a new thread not to get anymore offtopic in here. Sorry!

Puharich did not use a diode because he used ground.
One side of the secondairy coil is grounded, so never ever ac on his device.
Go have a look at his patent.

Steve

NP.
How can I measure the HV output of the VIC with my (yet to receive) scope safely with a voltage divider or HV probe, without blowing up my scope?

Alan,

You are welcome to hook your VIC up to my scope with HV probe...
Takes a 1 hour drive...

Steve

Nicely done!

Steve