Dielectric spectroscopy of water at low frequencies - Must Read!
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so 2.7khz orso has special effects on water?
Steve
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VIC = Balun?
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13 eV as far as i remember. But what does that mean in normal life?
Back to my balun topic:
primary characteristics of baluns: causing currents to be equal in magnitude and out of phase.
In Meyer language translated: the two chokes on 1 core must put out equal current and voltage towards the electrodes?
Only then, we might see the Meyer miracle?
cheers
Back to my balun topic:
primary characteristics of baluns: causing currents to be equal in magnitude and out of phase.
In Meyer language translated: the two chokes on 1 core must put out equal current and voltage towards the electrodes?
Only then, we might see the Meyer miracle?
cheers
Old cows new insides?
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Well, i want to approach this not the same way as most of all testers and inventors.
The first stage of the VIC is to step up voltage and to turn a squarewave into a sinewave.
I seen that on my scope. It doubles the frequency, as Meyer said.
That part can be done on a single core as the chokes also seem to work fine on an extra set of cores, according to some members.
Cheers!
The first stage of the VIC is to step up voltage and to turn a squarewave into a sinewave.
I seen that on my scope. It doubles the frequency, as Meyer said.
That part can be done on a single core as the chokes also seem to work fine on an extra set of cores, according to some members.
Cheers!
Old cows new insides?
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Let me tell you what i think.
I think Meyer used 2 normal coils as chokes or he used 2 bifilar coils as choke.
Read TWO. Not 1.
Think about it.
If you use 1 bif coil, you automatically create in Meyers circuit a serie and parallel RLC circuit.
If i understand Tad well, he used single coils and in such a way that you only have serie resonance....
cheers
I think Meyer used 2 normal coils as chokes or he used 2 bifilar coils as choke.
Read TWO. Not 1.
Think about it.
If you use 1 bif coil, you automatically create in Meyers circuit a serie and parallel RLC circuit.
If i understand Tad well, he used single coils and in such a way that you only have serie resonance....
cheers
Old cows new insides?
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The key to the Meyer process is resonance, and without resonance the
system produces no gas. At 12watts you see why no gas is produced
without resonance. This is a standard LC resonant circuit in which you
MUST (!) match Capacitive reactance with Inductive reactance. This
then creates an LC resonant circuit in which the two legs of the power
supply match in frequency exactly. A Ham calc make the calculation of
resonance easy once you know the capacitance of the cell and the
frequency you are driving it at. Once you have your inductance
calculated you then buy the proper chokes 07/24/2005 12:18 AMYahoo!
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within the inductance range needed. The adjustable one needs
(obviously) to be tunable within a small range, so that when the cell
temperature changes and causes the capacitance of the cell to change,
then the inductance can also be changed to keep the cell in resonance.
If you cell has the ability to vary distance between conductors, then
you simply change the distance and thus change the capacitance of the
cell rather than changing the inductance. You must vary one of the
other though. I have found since then that the capacitance of the cell
can be changed and works just as well as the inductors being adjusted.
You don't use ANY electrolyte, you don't want ANY amperage at all,
only voltage @ resonance. REPEAT, YOU DON'T NEED ANY CURRENT FLOW,
ONLY VOLTAGE!
system produces no gas. At 12watts you see why no gas is produced
without resonance. This is a standard LC resonant circuit in which you
MUST (!) match Capacitive reactance with Inductive reactance. This
then creates an LC resonant circuit in which the two legs of the power
supply match in frequency exactly. A Ham calc make the calculation of
resonance easy once you know the capacitance of the cell and the
frequency you are driving it at. Once you have your inductance
calculated you then buy the proper chokes 07/24/2005 12:18 AMYahoo!
Groups : energy2000 Messages : Message 20771 of 25951 Page 4 of
6http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energy2000/message/20771 that fall
within the inductance range needed. The adjustable one needs
(obviously) to be tunable within a small range, so that when the cell
temperature changes and causes the capacitance of the cell to change,
then the inductance can also be changed to keep the cell in resonance.
If you cell has the ability to vary distance between conductors, then
you simply change the distance and thus change the capacitance of the
cell rather than changing the inductance. You must vary one of the
other though. I have found since then that the capacitance of the cell
can be changed and works just as well as the inductors being adjusted.
You don't use ANY electrolyte, you don't want ANY amperage at all,
only voltage @ resonance. REPEAT, YOU DON'T NEED ANY CURRENT FLOW,
ONLY VOLTAGE!
Old cows new insides?
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How Meyers setup works according to Ted Zettergen:
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that. It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred. Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current, this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a centertapped puls-transformer.
If you read something about magical frequencyis, forget that. It works fine with 10KHz or something else if you preferred. Use 50% duty cycle. BUT! the frequency will be doubled in the step up circuit and that's the frequency the Water-Cell will work with. The components must resist at least 2000V.
The Water-Cell is very simple. Take a lot of stainless steel tubes with the inner diameter of the bigger tube 3mm bigger than the outer diameter of the inner tube. From now you must look at this Water-Cell as a capacitor with water as dilectricum.
The Water-Cell and the INDUCTOR will resonate at a specific frequency. It's a normal RC-circuit.
Now the most important: The Water-Cell/Inductor frequency and the doubled frequency from the generator must be exactly the same. A special condition exists in a L/C Circuit, when it is energized at a frequency at which the inductive reactance is equal to the capacitive reactance, XL = XC.
Adjust the voltage peak level to reach a maximum hydrogen/oxygen producing with a minimum of current using. If you earlier make hydrogen with the electrolysis method with a lot of current, this experiment will really surprise you.
For even less current you can make some experiment with a centertapped puls-transformer.
high voltage hho succes by Tinman
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well, i follow the tinman a bit and for me he seems not the person to make fake videos...
For the rest is his setup easy to replicate....
Lets try it?
For the rest is his setup easy to replicate....
Lets try it?
high voltage hho succes by Tinman
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Stan's Step Charging Circuit
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any notice of higher efficiency in the electrolysis proces with this setup?
The real test and development description of Stan Meyers voltage based system
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Funny to know that the VIC has its own floating ground, probably to prevent the charged cell to leak to ground.
cheers
The way Stan talks about it in the patent, I thinks he WANTS to drain the charge. He keeps saying the cell will arc between the plates, even at 5.5V or 8V. Then, right at the end he says it won't short out at just about any voltage if the negative plate is grounded through a resister. This resister probably needs to be at the opposite end from the negative connection, to prevent a strip line effect.
Where did you read draining part?
Might it be the resonance effect that he charged the cell and then drain a bit back into a coil system and re charge the cell again with the normal and drained charge together?
Sort of resonance?
The real test and development description of Stan Meyers voltage based system
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Its probably even more simple.
Let me share my thoughts here. I have been reading some docs again and again from Meyer.
We all want to find the resonance effect Meyer is talking about.
Meyer stated that for that to achieve you need:
A MINIMUM voltage level to achieve resonance.
To raise voltage and not to go into massive amps, Meyer puts in some kind of amp inhibitors, like resistive elements or coils that create a magnetic field to resist amp flow.
In case of coils/cores, the frequency of those coils/cores must be equal to the resonance frequency of the cavity.
So, it is clear how to start testing. First you build your cavity, add resistance on the negative inner exciter and start pulsing with a voltage of a minimum of 45 volts. See Meyers patent.
AS SOON AS YOU HIT RESONANCE, YOU SHOULD THE DIFFERENCE IN GAS OUTPUT.
As soon as you found the frequency and voltage, you can start building coils and cores that matches that frequency for more efficiency.
Meyer states that the voltage pulses should never go lower in amplitude as the minimum level of voltage, because the resonance will stop.
Meyers statement about electron leakage is also part of this minimum level of voltage. The cell should not drop below certain levels.
Funny to know that the VIC has its own floating ground, probably to prevent the charged cell to leak to ground.
cheers
Let me share my thoughts here. I have been reading some docs again and again from Meyer.
We all want to find the resonance effect Meyer is talking about.
Meyer stated that for that to achieve you need:
A MINIMUM voltage level to achieve resonance.
To raise voltage and not to go into massive amps, Meyer puts in some kind of amp inhibitors, like resistive elements or coils that create a magnetic field to resist amp flow.
In case of coils/cores, the frequency of those coils/cores must be equal to the resonance frequency of the cavity.
So, it is clear how to start testing. First you build your cavity, add resistance on the negative inner exciter and start pulsing with a voltage of a minimum of 45 volts. See Meyers patent.
AS SOON AS YOU HIT RESONANCE, YOU SHOULD THE DIFFERENCE IN GAS OUTPUT.
As soon as you found the frequency and voltage, you can start building coils and cores that matches that frequency for more efficiency.
Meyer states that the voltage pulses should never go lower in amplitude as the minimum level of voltage, because the resonance will stop.
Meyers statement about electron leakage is also part of this minimum level of voltage. The cell should not drop below certain levels.
Funny to know that the VIC has its own floating ground, probably to prevent the charged cell to leak to ground.
cheers
The real test and development description of Stan Meyers voltage based system
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Thats not a problem in the first stages, i think.
First is to prove that it works
First is to prove that it works
The real test and development description of Stan Meyers voltage based system
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"The next circuit comprises an electron inhibitor that prevents the flow of electrons; the circuit being in the terminal line between the negative plate exciter and ground. In those applications of the generator wherein excessively high voltage is to be applied to the plate exciters for a very high yield of gasses, a second electron inhibitor of a unique structure is serially connected with the first electron inhibiter. The second named inhibiter having a relatively fixed value and the first inhibiter connected in series is variable to fine tune the circuits to eliminate current flow.""
That sounds familiair.........2 chokes? Maybe not needed?
That sounds familiair.........2 chokes? Maybe not needed?
The real test and development description of Stan Meyers voltage based system
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Dear all,
Please re read this patent. Take your time.
I think he clearly explains how to go and on how to use resistors and pulses to restrict amps and to raise voltage.
His secondairy does a 200 volts, according to his writing....
cheers
Please re read this patent. Take your time.
I think he clearly explains how to go and on how to use resistors and pulses to restrict amps and to raise voltage.
His secondairy does a 200 volts, according to his writing....
cheers
Bottum of the WFC question
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i think you seem to be talking about what seem to be light reflecting on the table. Isn't it just a reflex?
Hahahahahaha.....that might be the case here....sorry for that.
But....anyway.....The middle of the first picture shows a white ring and a hole.
What was on that white ring?
cheers
and thanks
Bottum of the WFC question
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Hello dear researchers,
Have you ever seen the pictures of the bottum of the wfc.
In the middle you see a silver or alu color disc.
Any idea what that might be?
Steve
Have you ever seen the pictures of the bottum of the wfc.
In the middle you see a silver or alu color disc.
Any idea what that might be?
Steve
possible power pump circuit
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фасадные панели Пермь
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really......
Stanley Meyer, how his schematic works
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How come nobody talks about the impedance card his brother showed?
Because it looks too difficult?
Stanley Meyer, how his schematic works
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Steve, there is something you forgot:
Water conductivity, low resistance.
Our simulations works great with real capacitors
Hi Blade,
I ran soo many experiences....I never forget for the rest of my life how a cell behaves..
The cell will become very low in resistance as soon as current flows.
Thats why Stan in his early work added a resistive element on the negative side of his tube. Somekind of sandwich.
Later he added a coil who got activated on the right time to act as a resistor.
Thats why this could work! In my early work i found out that the mosfet for the converter could not deal with an active cell.. Just at the start it would work nicely.
As soon as i am home, i will make some experiences.
cheers!