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Hello,
I have a hypothesis that i would like to share.
I have some views on how to propagate a voltage in a material which in most normal circumstances does not want to take on much voltage and would much rather pass current.
So looking at a water fuel cell from the most elementary perspective, we know that the current in the proposed capacitor is created due to contaminates. These contaminates are ions which take on a physical force from the voltage zones and are forcefully attracted or repelled to the opposite charged zone..
They then loose their opposite charge and possibly take on like charge then repel back across the gap?
This is something Stan claimed to be able to hinder in his process correct?
So my first question is when the water molecule is stretched, does it increase in its electrostatic polar force? I would assume so.. water is a covalent molecule that groups in clusters due to ionic bonding which is accomplished by it having polar fields.. (a positive and negative electrostatic occurrence on opposite sides.) this is the force which makes water a solvent and allows it to break other bonds such as NaCL...
So this ionic bonding force must increase when the molecule elongates? If so would that make the random ions in water (contaminates) more attracted to the ionic bonding forces of the water?
Is it possible to very delicately induce normal LC resonance (start with low voltage that does not encourage strong ion movement through water) in a way that is very focal on the molecules and allow them to begin elongating in such a way as to when voltage increases more and more the ionic fields cause a "SUSPENSION" of the contaminating ions.. If the ionic field is stronger or = to the exciter plates voltage field.. would it not keep the ion by the molecule and suspend it from traveling to a plate?..
So all in all the hypothesis has to do with if its possible to control resonance in such a way that there is a equal or greater increase in ionic polar forces in relation to the plates voltage forces presented to contaminating ions.
Best Regards,
VoltageMan
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My idea is that the 'music' could disrupt the attraction between the water molecules, rather than the valance bond within a single molecule. If it works, then some frequency might disrupt the valance through a similar process.
I'm designing an experiment even as I type. : )
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This is the problem with people working on this technology they don't do things in a scientific manor. They claim things they haven't done which according to the form rules is out of bounds. You simply can not see what is taking place at the cell without a differential probe and each of the probes comes with a +/-% error so that all of the error calculations can be done.
People like to belittle my work by saying it is easy to place a high voltage potential difference across a water fuel cell as they can do it all day but they haven't done anything as all of their experiments have only taken place in their minds or they are assuming far too much. The scientific method demands that we make no assumptions and do things properly at all times. This is why it has taken me so long to get to this point as I had to save to be able to have the things that I do as there is simply no other way if one is to do things by the book. We can not accept guess work unless that guess work is being done with the use of the scientific method as then it requires one to answer the questions they pose by experimentation. This is exactly what I have been doing for the past nine years so to have someone belittle my work isn't going to go unchecked.
To Steve,
I have lived up to my promise and gave the science behind this technology away. I am not sure if I will post a video as now I am treading on deadly ground as all those that have shown their work are dead now so I must be wise in my actions from this point forwards. People are free to tell others I haven't given them anything but I caution everyone that the industry is out there with paid personnel trying very hard to lead people away from the truth. They say all kinds of demotivating thoughts to stop people from ever trying. In the video for which this thread was started I made a mistake in how I hooked up the transformers to each other and here I went and corrected that mistake: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-* -good-use-of-the-scientific-method/
I tell and show quite a bit in that post. The things I show have never been talked about before concerning this technology as I ignored everyone and just kept to the scientific method and listened to what the experiments were showing me. I also got help from above and I am very thankful to YAH for that help as I would have never figured out the connection to photosynthesis if it had not been for his help so all the glory goes to him.
You are now going to have a lot of people coming to challenge what has been shown to everyone here and you all must fact check them as to if they are really performing experiments properly and are making use of the scientific method. It is not acceptable to just say with words and then have nothing to back up those words they must show their work and you are to be critical of their work. It is not acceptable to show an idea and have a lot of people like that idea and then the idea becomes law. Ask what they are measuring with or to see scope shots showing their wave forms. Ask them to see the devices they are using and compare them to those that Meyer built. You will find that a lot of people have questions but very few have answers to those questions. You all have fact checked me quite a bit over the years and each time I have shown you what I am doing. I have shown everyone the equipment I am testing with as well as the items I built for testing on. You all have done your due diligence on me many times over and you must do that to everyone working on this technology. If they say they are producing gas then ask them for MMW numbers and if they refuse then simply stop listening to them trust me it is as easy as that. If you see them doing something Meyer did not do then ask them to explain why they made the changes. If you see their work doesn't look anything like Meyer's work just ignore them as simply putting Meyer's name on the title of their thread isn't good enough.
All of you have been very hard on me over the years and I thank you for that as it shows me that I was making a difference that people felt like talking about. Now the burden is on you to build things for yourself and follow the science I have shown to the best of you abilities to do so. I have done what I promised I would do so now it's up to you to further your own work given all that I have shown you. I hope to see many others in the future getting high voltages to their cells and more to the point getting there work to the market place so that the public can have access to it and the change can begin towards ending the worlds dependence on fossil fuels.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/IMG_4515_zpsf51b3189.jpg)
Please do not ask me for my design work as you simply are not going to get it. Build and design your own as you might do a better job than I did which is giving the world a better product as a result and trust me I am fine with that.
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The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.
When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.
Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.
What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)
The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.
So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.
I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.
You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses) Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.
Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.
If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.
So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?. That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.
Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?. Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke.
Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.
I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.
http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .
Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time. In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.
The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..
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The circuit is fairly simple. like Meyers patent circuit. I think the key is the holding current on the scr.
The choke should be able to commutate the scr off.
When I first did it, I used a variac with a bridge an scr and a choke.
When I would turn on the scr, it would bleed the current across the cell and lock in at full current. (then its impossible to shut it off)
The scr would blow or I would kick out the main breaker in the house. I went thru a pile of scr's I got from work.
Then I remembered I had ordered some off the internet, I put one of them in and presto, the damn thing worked, It was so fast the mains couldn't detect any current draw. I even soldered a piece of 37ga wire across a blown fuse and put that in the variac, it never blew.
What I quickly figured out was that I needed a variable plate cell to widen the gap so I could take the voltage up on the variac. But that didn't stop me, I jacked up the volts anyways. It still current limited itself, but the water started heating. (need bigger gap)
The interesting thing was that the tiny scr never even got warm. Quite bizarre I must say. You would never think it would work.
So I then learned that the frequency of the voltage needed to be adjustable for the tiny cell.
I figured that if I smoothed the DC voltage and pulsed it thru a transistor to the scr, I would be able to control the frequency and the commutation of the scr.
You can use a 555 or a 4047 with a opto coupler to pulse the voltage going to the scr . Then run another 555 thru an opto coupler to the scr, when it fires, the gate pulse from it will hold the scr down and let the pulses thru it, The choke will self commutate and keep shutting it off between frequency pulses (your 50% duty cycle frequency pulses) Very simply, you can take the Dave Lawton circuit separate the outputs and run them thru opto couplers.
Now the scr I used was a S4006LS2 from futurlec. I used the 4010 version when I pulsed the voltage. Its a very small scr TO220 case. Don't let size deceive you, because your not really drawing anything but milliamps thru it. Think of the positive choke like its a spring, when the scr closes the Self Inductance field forms around the choke,(its compressed) you want to turn that scr off just as it forms. If it shuts off in time the power supply dosent see a current draw.
If you use an adjustable plate cell, you can figure out the choke sizing and cell sizing really fast. Naturally there is going to be heat where there is water breaking apart, you can remove that with a 3-23 transformer connected to the cell also or try to burn a light bulb. It should pulse itself and run out of phase with the scr circuit, because its secondarys connected backwards. The amplitude at which you pulse the primary on the 3-23 will determine the amplitude of the overall circuit, because the 3-23 secondary is nothing but a variable resistor between the cell.
So, lets add up all the gaps on Meyers 10 tube cells?. That number will be the total gap distance on the single plate variable cell, which means he had a high voltage going to the cells. lets not kid ourselves, we can see the heavy gauge wire connected in series to that setup. Being connected in series also lowers the capacitance of the cells.
Also, if he is breaking all that water apart, where is the EEC circuit?. Its the 3-23. It also unloads the positive choke.
Overall, to run that setup on the dune buggy Circuit One needs to be figured out more precisely. That we do not have. Im guessing that it also ran on a PLL and the frequency of the voltage to the scr was adjusted automatically and power came from an alternator.
I think that the 10 cells can be eliminated to one cell and one EEC. I think Stan didn't want people to see how easy it was being done.
http://share.pdfonline.com/5ae59a0009f44562b8c325f6045f67fb/commutation.htm
See Class (A)........ Add 3-23 transformer in place of (R) .
Water becomes part of the circuit. The electrons get pulled from the water, before the electrons from the circuit can pass thru the water. The resistance of the 3-23 chokes play a very big part in this. 75ohms a piece. Does that ring a bell with Stan mentioning the resistance of water all the time. In the NZ video he even mentions re-routing Electrons around the Cell.
The 3-23 dosent give a pulse until the magnetic field is removed from it, remember its being charged up by Circuit 1. The amplitude on the primary is controlling the magnetic field, that is opposing the current thru the chokes from circuit 1.(simply put) The 3-23 core controls how much the chokes induct..
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