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Tony's VIC and Results

Started by unknown · · 23 posts · last reply 13 September 2012

  1. timeshell

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    Anyone reporting gas production with Tony's recreation of SM VIC?

    My success has been limited, but I have manged to get a minuscule amount of gas production with no visible amps being used.  I used a ammeter that measures from 1 to 50 mA only and the meter didn't even register 1mA.

    Anyone else?

    TS

  2. Steve

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    I think everybody has the same issue here.
    Its a very good attempt, but it is still electrolysis at the end.
    Of course till someone proves otherwise... ;)

  3. webmug

    #3 · date not recorded

    Anyone reporting gas production with Tony's recreation of SM VIC?

    My success has been limited, but I have manged to get a minuscule amount of gas production with no visible amps being used.  I used a ammeter that measures from 1 to 50 mA only and the meter didn't even register 1mA.

    Anyone else?

    TS
    Hi timeshell,

    Do you have a VIC pack and a scope?

    Br,
    Webmug

  4. timeshell

    #4 · date not recorded

    Hi timeshell,

    Do you have a VIC pack and a scope?

    Br,
    Webmug

    I have a scope.  Not sure what you mean by "VIC pack".

    The coils I was using in this instance are:
    primary 100 22g
    secondary 44 g resistor wire (450 turns) total resistance 9.6k
    L1 44g resistor wire (100 to 110 turns) 1.9k
    L2 44g resistor wire (100 to 110 turns) 2.1k
    Feedback 44g copper wire (100 turns)

    TS

  5. sampojo

    #5 · date not recorded

    Could this be a problem?  The WFC SS tubes may need seasoning?  See PJ Kelly's chapter 10 http://www.free-energy-info.com/index.html, may take a 100+ hours run time.  Tubes should have white powdery coating, do not touch!  alexpetty.com has good discussion too.

  6. Steve

    #6 · date not recorded

    Yes, you can try adding some calcium on yr tubes, like many did, except for Meyer...
    The best discussions where done here, btw.
    Including guys like A. Petty. They all have been here or are still here.
    I think making adverticements for other forums on this forum is disrespectful towards me and to the members who done so many work here, last years.

    Steve

  7. timeshell

    #7 · date not recorded

    With all due respect Steve, is this a contest?   Aren't we all working towards the same goal?

    TS

  8. Steve

    #8 · date not recorded

    Hi TS,

    I just find it so strange that people are doing that.

  9. timeshell

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    Yesterday I pulled out a very crude coil set that I had made for an earlier experiment.  I made the coil with 5 wire strands (1 x 28g and 4 x 22g).  They are all wound parallel (quintifilar?  :P).   Anyway, since they all share a core, I decided to give it a try with the VIC circuit.  It took about 5 different connection combinations before 1. I got gas, and 2. I was able to witness the actual current limiting effect at resonance.  I had a small analog ammeter in line with the cell and was able to observe it dropping to 10mA and vibrating at the exact same moments that the VIC circuit was locked in at resonance and then see the current go back up when the circuit was tuned out of resonance.  I was sort of shocked by this as this was the first time I could see a steady flow of HHO from the cell using Tony's VIC circuit.

    Thought I should share and get some feedback on this.

    TS

  10. webmug

    #10 · date not recorded

    Yesterday I pulled out a very crude coil set that I had made for an earlier experiment.  I made the coil with 5 wire strands (1 x 28g and 4 x 22g).  They are all wound parallel (quintifilar?  :P).   Anyway, since they all share a core, I decided to give it a try with the VIC circuit.  It took about 5 different connection combinations before 1. I got gas, and 2. I was able to witness the actual current limiting effect at resonance.  I had a small analog ammeter in line with the cell and was able to observe it dropping to 10mA and vibrating at the exact same moments that the VIC circuit was locked in at resonance and then see the current go back up when the circuit was tuned out of resonance.  I was sort of shocked by this as this was the first time I could see a steady flow of HHO from the cell using Tony's VIC circuit.

    Thought I should share and get some feedback on this.

    TS
    Hi,

    Great! GAS!!!  :)
    Do your want to share some pictures of your setup and circuit connections? Also what type of core and WFC you used?

    Got scope shots?

    Br,
    Webmug

  11. timeshell

    #11 · date not recorded

    Hi,

    Great! GAS!!!  :)
    Do your want to share some pictures of your setup and circuit connections? Also what type of core and WFC you used?

    Got scope shots?

    Br,
    Webmug

    Heh, yah, I'm going to document and label the whole setup so I can recreate it again.  I also need to clean up my work area which is a major mess first.

    Not sure the scope shots will help too much.  It's only single sided so you can't see the 180 on it.  But you would be able to see the resonance storm signals as I will call it.

    Interestingly, there is no step up from primary to secondary either, straight 1:1:1:1:1 for all the coils.  Air core.

    WFC is a pair of SS pipes, about 1" long.

    I've got a working model to build on now!  (yay!!)

    TS

  12. webmug

    #12 · date not recorded

    Hi,

    Great! GAS!!!  :)
    Do your want to share some pictures of your setup and circuit connections? Also what type of core and WFC you used?

    Got scope shots?

    Br,
    Webmug

    Heh, yah, I'm going to document and label the whole setup so I can recreate it again.  I also need to clean up my work area which is a major mess first.

    Not sure the scope shots will help too much.  It's only single sided so you can't see the 180 on it.  But you would be able to see the resonance storm signals as I will call it.

    Interestingly, there is no step up from primary to secondary either, straight 1:1:1:1:1 for all the coils.  Air core.

    WFC is a pair of SS pipes, about 1" long.

    I've got a working model to build on now!  (yay!!)

    TS

    Scope shots always help if you are going to document this! For example the input signal to the primary.
    If you place a scope probe unconnected on a wire going to the WFC you see some signals... If you got resonance this also influence the signal also when you touch the WFC delrin insulation.  8)

    Regards!

  13. webmug

    #13 · date not recorded

    @TS,

    Question:
    How do you test if you have resonance with the [C] WFC capacitance and [L] positive choke inductance?
    Or do you have [LC] choke self-resonance?

    Regards

  14. timeshell

    #14 · date not recorded

    @TS,

    Question:
    How do you test if you have resonance with the [C] WFC capacitance and [L] positive choke inductance?
    Or do you have [LC] choke self-resonance?

    Regards

    I will provide details and answers to questions later in the week as I am too busy at present to give attention to them.  However, if you have further questions or thoughts until then, please keep adding them and I'll try to answer them all when I have time.

    TS

  15. timeshell

    #15 ·

    Please see this video for a quick and dirty demo.  I'll provide more detail at a later date.



    TS

  16. timeshell

    #16 · date not recorded

    the link is not working for me...

    Copy and paste into browser:



    TS

  17. sebosfato

    #17 · date not recorded

    Hello TS i found it on your channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aro59wQo1gU&feature=plcp

    Really interesting! Compliments!

    What is the configuration of the circuit? what frequency is that happening? are you pulsing this coil in series with the cell? no vic?

    Please explain a bit more how things are connected =)

    Ps: this inspired me to finish the pll circuit.. i was only using the pll as a signal source never feeding it back.. too lazy...
    Regards

    Sebosfato


  18. Steve

    #18 · date not recorded

    Dito!

    Nice work, mr Shell. ( Quick or Time)
    Looking forward to see a video of yr production durIng resonance and also without resonance, including voltage/amperage input.

    I do not want to be the party destroyer. If you get gas under special conditions, then you must research it futher in details! But always keep comparing strait DC vs. yr new setup and gas output.

    Just some advise from an experienced tester, who did more then 1000 tests on hho..

    Steve

  19. timeshell

    #19 ·

    Dito!

    Nice work, mr Shell. ( Quick or Time)
    Looking forward to see a video of yr production durIng resonance and also without resonance, including voltage/amperage input.

    I do not want to be the party destroyer. If you get gas under special conditions, then you must research it futher in details! But always keep comparing strait DC vs. yr new setup and gas output.

    Just some advise from an experienced tester, who did more then 1000 tests on hho..

    Steve

    Lol

    Thanks Steve, I am also a long time tester of HHO.  However, I stumbled on this just before a period where my time is severely limited.  As I have already mentioned, I fully intend to do some more experimentation and provide more results.  However in the meantime I have provided details I thought may interest everyone.

    (lol @ Quick ... Time; timeshell name wasn't available on YouTube; funny since I made that name up a long time ago)

    TS

  20. Steve

    #20 ·

    Apple just presented the iphone 5.
    Quicktime included....lol

  21. timeshell

    #21 ·

    What is the configuration of the circuit? what frequency is that happening? are you pulsing this coil in series with the cell? no vic?

    As I explain in the video, the coil is wound with 5 strands in parallel.  These make up the actual VIC in they way they are connected.  So the cell and the VIC coils are connected exactly as Meyers describes.  The coils are around an air core wound bifilar style.  I estimate up to 250 turns.

    Based on previous experiments with resonance on Charles Seiler's circuit and results I had when trying to step up this coil, I believe the number of turns on the secondary and the chokes may not actually have the effect on resonance that we are all expecting.  I will need to do more experiments to confirm this.

    The cell I am using is a pair of stainless steel pipes, the inner is 1" long, the outer is 3/4" long (same as my other videos).

    Water was originally distilled, although it is likely somewhat contaminated now.

    The frequency varied but in phase lock it was between 1.8kHz and 2.2kHz (I need to confirm this).

    You may have noticed in the video that when I first adjusted the frequency that it went in and out of resonance at first, but by the end of the video it was locked in resonance.

    Gas was coming out the whole time, whether in resonance or not, but I think the point was at resonance it is the most efficient.  It was not an earth shattering amount of gas but it was a steady flow.  Quite frankly however, I'm not sure 1. That the VIC circuit is driving enough current to the primary and 2. The coil is optimized properly.   Again, more experimenting needs to be done.  However it seems to me that this VIC circuit would need to be scaled up for larger cells/applications somehow.

    TS

  22. timeshell

    #22 · date not recorded

    Another quick video demonstrating the cell, scope, and VIC circuit.




    TS

  23. webmug

    #23 · date not recorded

    Another quick video demonstrating the cell, scope, and VIC circuit.




    TS
    Thanks for sharing!

    Is it possible to zoom the scope on one step like charge signal? What is the max and min voltage? Where did you connect the scope probe?
    Are you pulsing 5v?
    What is the input pulse signal to the primary?

    Yes, more questions...  8)

    Br,
    Webmug

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