Steve

Steve you say all the voltage above 2volts is making steam?
Then all the foam is totally relateable to steam?

If so I do not understand why the steam is in small bubble form.?
That foam is like an entrapment of a combination of process, steam, and hydroxyl.

Maybe I should try to get the pump connected and check but I think there's plenty of hydroxyl locked into those bubbles.
Will have to work on some connections to pump in and or out in the near future to learn about this foam stuff more.
Its a parasite and everyone using multiple tubes has ran into it, I'm sure.
(Maybe a good test would be to connect the tubes in series?).

Many things would not make sense if its all steam, why are people making hi-voltage alternators for tube sets.
Its not all steam! (Needs to be looked into some more).

Steam or watervapour.
Thats all you get above 2V.
Dont forget....you do electrolysis and nothing else, so all the laws for that proces count.
The funny thing with wfc's is that if you apply a higher voltage, your wfc will pull more amps and thats good. But your efficiency will drop dramatically, because all volts above 2v create watervapour/steam.
At the end, you will have a mix of HHO and H2O. Its burnable, but not comparable with a wfc who is doing electrolysis between the 1.5 and 2.5V per cell.

Because you work with electrodes in a BIG bucket of water, the temp will not rise very quickly. The heat is consumed by the water reservoir.
I had the same foam, and if you burn that foam, you will get a big bang, because of the hydrogen, which is trapped in there.

About Bubz point, i had 3KV across my HHO gas and i didnt see any change in flame color, height or temp.
So, what make you think you can ionize hydrogen at 12V and what would you expect as results?
Just curious...


Steve

Its good to read all those different point of views here..
Lets keep respect for eachother, ok?

I can understand both points of view, but i am going with the Ammonia or what kind of gas mix is going into the engine.

Komtek is having a good point. We will not know what the final mix is.
Its a mix of N, O, H. Lots of oxygen and nitrogen that will bond with hydrogen in some way or form.

Add nitrogen as fuel part and your totall volume of fuel will increase hughly....
Add the slower burnrate part and you will find yourself a system that is capable of creating enough energy to drive your car and to make his own fuel..

Steve

I tripped over this page tonight

http://www.hho-generator.de/en/hho-power-supply.htm

I'd like to build an electrical crossover switching circuit to add to my mess.

any ideas and help would be welcomed   < even a light push in the right direction, I am a quick study.. 

see image from the page

Hi KB,


What would be the theory about changing powersupply's in this case?
My 2 cents on what i see, is that the flow of electrons is still the same thru the water.....

Steve

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron 
Wow, John has put more proprietary company info into the public domain
that anyone I know - his patents are goldmines, which HAVE SCHEMATICS.

I have always failed to understand why people want to cripple themselves
by allowing themselves to be locked to specific schematics. John and Peter
both have given out a lot of schematics over the years and if anyone
understands them, in concept, then anyone can design their own schematics, which is what empowers someone.

When I built my first roller skate wheel motor, I didn't even know what a
transistor was but it was common sense enough to see the b,c,e
on the diagram on the package and any 3 year old that has a coloring
book and did a connect-the-dots could apply the same skills to knowing
what wire went to what dot. For a while, I saw the energizer through
the eyes of the schematic and realized that the mechanics of the
circuit aren't as important as knowing what the circuit is doing - for
years I have seen the SG as a gas pump/valve - I don't even see it as
an electric circuit.

Obviously many people, even skeptics, have no problem getting the wheel
to spin and of course tuning is another matter all together, which is easier
when "knowing what the energy is" but the skeptics are looking at a non-
conventional circuit through the eyes of conventional electron theory
models. Well, if I saw someone try to translate a Chinese document and
they have a language degree in French, I would honestly think they should
probably be committed because it is insane. I mean literally in the full
psychological sense, it is totally and completely psychotic.

A couple years after I first met John, he told me, "You have to know what
the energy is." Looking at it from this perspective, it makes all the
difference in the world because you can just use common sense to make
your own circuits that apply certain concepts to get the results you want.
I may not know what the energy is, but I think I have a pretty good idea
and it has enabled me to innovate my own circuits that continually do
what the skeptics say can't be done.

These days, I consider common sense to be "out of the box" for most
people, which is a crying shame.

Steve, you say you're impressed with the work Peter and John have you
done with what they did share? You turn around and say they're
grumpy old men and you want them to post schematics and you sign off
with Peace and Love?

I came up with the idea for this forum for the purpose of positive and
constructive sharing. This is our home and anyone that comes into it,
pulls their pants down and pees on the floor is simply not welcome or
appreciated.

It isn't skepticism I have a problem with, there are threads here discussing
a "case against overunity" and whatever. That's fine, I'm all for anyone
expressing their own beliefs but don't insult or disrespect the members
of this forum. John and Peter can obviously stand their own ground but
this is my home and this is unacceptable to me.

Like all the rest of the skeptics who don't understand or appreciate what
is spread out all over the internet for years, you make demands, insult
the ones sharing the info and ask for more. Would you do the same thing
to someone in person? You'd probably be knocked for a loop in one second
flat.

This is seriously disturbing and
is absolutely indicative of some serious cognitive dissonance. There are
two contradictory thought processes going on at the same time and
only one is yours, you really should figure out what the other one is,
I already know the answer. This isn't some cute way of putting things,
this other process going on is literally what is responsible for this world
being in so much trouble and very soon, I'll make it very easy for people
to solve it for themselves. Tyson is right, it isn't about money.

After meeting John and learning some legitimate concepts, it strengthened
my relationship with God beyond anything I ever imagined because it is
a holistic science that doesn't insanely compartmentalize and isolate
concepts so the left hand doesn't know the right. It integrates and
unifies so many things on so many levels that it has brought more light
into the area of unconscious incompetence beyond all other fields.

Having a spiritual perspective of life and "saving the world" isn't about
sitting in a circle, holding hands singing kumbaya waiting for the world
to be saved. It is about eternal vigilance and taking responsibility and
making no excuses. It is about busting one's own butt to make our own
lives how we want it so that we can only blame ourselves in the end
for anything that we think we haven't been given.

Many people are brainwashed into believing "Good things come to those
who wait." Even though Lincoln is greatly responsible for the downfall of
American freedom, that isn't even what he said and despite his treason
against the American people, his original ENTIRE quote is a pretty good
one:

"Good things come to those who wait, but only things left behind by those who hustle." — Abraham Lincoln

That is 180 degrees opposite of what the first half of the quote means
by itself. I know one thing, I'm not going to be one of those that are
left with the crumbs.

Steve, you're welcome to post and can be as skeptical as you want but
please leave your demands and insults out of it. This is to every skeptic
that is reading this.

Aaron,

Its dissapointment speaking.
You may clean my post, if you want. At least i say where i stand. Just hope that that is appriciated in a free world of thinking.
Didnt know how to say it in other words either. No bad words where choosen.

Yes, i was/am impressed by the knowledge of many people like John and Peter for example. Thats a compliment.
But the more i learned about these subjects, the more i came to my senses and realised that some of them didnt tell the whole story.
And thats what i cannot understand at all. Call me ignorant.
Yes, i seen the schematics of JB and i seen the much of Peters work.
But i know for sure that great minds like they have, must be able to think much bigger. And they absolutely do. But why not sharing those thoughts?

Peter is probably right with the fact that building a good OU system is not done with kitchen equipment. Then why not telling us about what systems he is thinking about , when he talks about that?
Why is he making that decision for us?
Maybe we are in a position where we can get money and build a nice clean powerplant. The less polution the better.
The world is changing. Green is not a bad word anymore. Investors see that.
We need them. They need us.
Now we need the good idea's.
If someone really knows, then there is always a solution to find. If you want money, then just say so. Make a deal. If money isnt the issue, then share.
Its that simple.

For me, life is too short. I hope to be able to make a change for the good.
You all can....if you really want.

Steve

We all have seen his presentations and lots of his info on forums.
He is a very smart man. No doubt about that.
And he knows a lot too.
But propably not enough......

Dynodons video's of Stan Meyers equipment

HV capacitors
You can buy HV caps, but they are extremely expensive.
You can choose to set some lv in serie.
Here is the formula:

Totall capacitance = (C1xC2)/(c1+c2)
2200 uF 25Volt + 2200 uF 25 Volt
Makes: 1100 MFD  50 V


Steve

Hi all,

Here is a nice doc on toroids.

br
Steve

Are ignition coils harmful when getting shocked?

Just a nasty shock...

Welcome John to ionizationx
 
I think we can help you with your research.
There is one PWM that will do the right job.
Its designed by Electrojolt, which is a member here.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1054.0.html
Go read his topic and you will get what you want!
 
Steve

 

Steve

The effect of the magnetism in the GEET process by nature
creates complex multiple magnetic field strengths.

The meter is made to measure that same magnetic field in a single conductor wire by clamping that openable clamp up and passing the wire through the gap,
then releasing the clamp so it closes "Loop" (Like a toroid) completely around the conductor in question.

The meter measures the induced magnetic gauss in that closed (Clamp) loop
and converets the field strength into a reading in Ampere's of the Tesla field strength present.

As the flux is ninety degrees to the current passing through the wire, the reading is reasonibly accurate for general ampere measurment without cutting into an existing circuit to place a "Shunt" there to measure the actual current flow.

However, add a few hundred grains of salt (So to speak) to this vids results.

Unless you were spinning a wire at an incredible speed axially,
and were creating multiple lines of flux at many angles same time.
You could not reproduce this over exaggerated reading under normal use
while measuring that same wire.

The GEET rod inside however is doing this,
so the reading will appear abnormally high.

I will give it this, remarks of people trying to hold things like nails and screwdrivers parallel to a GEET chamber have always indicated a rapidly changing field that makes things basicly appear to shudder of vibrate.

Someone with one of these needs to eBay some teflon coated wire and wrap a long well-wound coil around the outside pipe and see what is presented as usable energy from the winding's two ends.

As the field clearly moves from prevoius tinkering with ferrous material by previous experimenters,
it stands to reason there is a high likelyhood of a stationary coil catching something.

It is just a matter of what shape,
and in what relation to the GEET chamber...

We The People

Note to others:
I'm new to this Netherland forum
I spell like crap, and I already know that...
I strive to be merely legible at best, OK?

Welcome, Wethepeople, to the ionizationx forum.

You explained well whats going on in the geet.
Spelling like crap is exactly what i am doing here as well, but you can use the spell checker in the editor, if you wish.
 

Steve

He also says something at the start like "going on into the generator in the car" ... in reference to the EPG most likely...

And he mentions the recirculating exhaust gasses, after a a few minutes he comments on how cool the exhaust coming out is, because he lowered the burning rate and temperature of the gas

And he talks about the alternator being used as an amp restrictor, and we all know that a normal alternator can put out 65-100 amps, and that is NOT restricted amps, we know only the voltage intensifier circuit is used to restrict amps

And he says that was shown and demonstrated infront of the Patent Office

I need to listen again, i c.....
These are the moments that i wished that my native language was english....

Thanks Donald!

The boiler plate cell would have been a bigger version of the demo cell.The gases would have been run through some form of carburator.

Well, nobody else made comments on that.
So, i think we have to change the name of this topic...


Steve

Why would you want to use some expensive type of material,when stainless is so abundant and thats all you need.KISS!!!

Well, that reason is a simple one. As long as nobody has found a better way to fracture water, then the electrolysis methode, it is a challange to do electrolysis as efficient as possible.
Electrojolt and i, did tests with copper tubes and we seen a big improvement on efficiency.
Of course copper will be eaten by the electrolyte.

A nickel 200 or 201 should have a much better conductivity then SS.
So, if my wfc is doing around 90% Faraday on SS then it maybe doing over 100% on nickel.

Steve

Back to the Geet petrol powergenerator.

I had to find a solution to the issue why only petrol (with or without water) was the only fuel on which my power generator was running with the Geet processor.

There are 2 things to think about.
The fuelbubler works by use of the vacuum of the engine.
That results in a drop of temperature inside the bubler and that is holding back the
creation of fuel vapours, which are needed to run the engine.
So we have to find a solution to keep the bubler warm enough.
Pantone is using the exhaust gasses in his worst geet setup, accoording to his own
words, in his free Geet plans. After running my tests, i can say to you all that it is *  to use exhaust gasses, because the engine is going to run worse then ever. So, fresh air is needed and no exaust gasses. Then the next question is how to get warm fresh air in the bubler......
I found Aluka on youtube with a good solution. He uses a 3th pipe around the 2 pipe Geet system. The 3th pipe is around the exhaust pipe with fresh air going in. It will be heated by the exhaust heat and then the warm air is going to the bubler.
Problem solved! In Aluka's case, he is now running on 0.3ltr/h instead of 1.2ltr/h.

My targets with the geet system was no only to run on petrol, or HHO, but also the run on used motoroil or something like that, like diesel, or kerosine...

So, i tried diesel and i tried used motor oil. With and without water.
Both with a no result and that is really a big NO. Not 1 rev. Not 1 bang, boom or whatsoever.
If you have read that it is possible to do so, then a Big NO is a Big dissapointment... :'(
So, what to do? Well, many of you have read my study about water and his propertys.
In this case, i went studing about diesel and oil.
The solution came out of old heatingsystems for houses. They use oil for burners. They use diesel for burners.
Its pretty simple when you know the trick, as useal..
They pre-heat the diesel or oil and then they can fire it up.
So, back to my lab.
I took a 80watt solder iron and i mounted a coppertube in parallel, both pointing upwards.
The solder iron now heating up the copper tube (4 inches tall).
I filled it with diesel and then hooked up the power.
On room temperature, i could NOT fire up the diesel or oil with a sigaretlighter. It didnt burn at all.
Well, then was not so strange that the Geet didnt work!!!!!
Now at 90 degrees Celcius, i could burn the diesel and at 175 degrees celcius, it was really doing great!  With used motoroil, the temperature needed, was much higher. At 255 degrees celcius, that also was burning!!!

So what now to do with this knowledge? Well, i have to go build me an insulated metal bubler with a tube system build in, in which the exhaustgasses can run tru. That way you heat up the fuel pretty well.
That should be enough to run a petrol engine on diesel with a geet. Maybe even with use of water, to get cleaner gasses.
I also want to add 1 extra tube inside the bubler, for building in the solder iron.
That way you have 2 energy sources for heating up the fuel and you can run on used motoroil and or diesel or sunflower oil, or whatever oil you find.

Hope you can appriciate this info.

Steve

Hi Warp

Never never ever will i use copper in my platecell again....
Maybe only on the outside electrodes where no electrolyte is.
But never inside in contact with electrolyte.
It makes a mess of your SS plates and you can grind all yr plates to get ride of the copper junk on them.

Steve

Quote from: Steve on October 07, 2009, 15:05:33 pm

Quote from: carbidetip on October 07, 2009, 13:38:29 pm

Then you lose power.

True and exactly what i want it to do....

AHA!! 

I think I see your plan Steve.
If you have a HHO supply under pressure; heating it (with waste heat) will increase the pressure/volume.
If you have enough pressure/volume the piston will be driven down on the intakestroke by said pressure!
This will give you an extra small power stroke!
It will also overfill the cylinder, like a turbo, compensating for volumetric efficiency losses on the original power stroke and negating all my previous arguements.
Heating the H2 will also change more of it into Monatomic H.
This gives a further increase in volume and increases the energy given off by igniting it.

Very Clever!
Or is it me being very clever!?? 

The fact that H has a higher octane rating (does not pre-ignite at higher compression ratios or in hotter conbustion chambers) means that ther should be no issues with knock.
You may have to beaf of your cooling though.

There is no way, at this point, of producing enough HHO onboard, but there is no reason why one could not set up a wind, solar  and waste/p**p powered cell at home. 
http://www.green-trust.org/wordpress/
There are cells out there that produce HHO and pressurise it at the same time; easily found by Googling.
The tech to fill gass bottles is commercially available.

Hi Logic,

Yes you are a clever person. Its good thinking  you are doing.
For me this heating option is to get better volume filling in the cylinder. Maybe its doing others things as wel....

Steve

Hello guys i resolved the resonance mystery.
I Posted it all here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html read it all
what do you think about?

Hi Sebosfato

Welcome to ionizationx!

Please go ahead and explain! We are very curious here and love to read others ideas.
Can you prove your theory by showing us something working by video or pics?

Steve

Hi fastimports3,


Thanks for sharing you sources. Its an impressive story of mr. Rife.
I have some knowledge of his systems for years now. I was hoping to use it into the water as fuel concept, however i havent found any. Rife was working with frequencys. Frequencys who matches virusses, like flue or cancer. I seen many great things of these devices.

Steve