you say "Perfect mix" now it is perfect to make water (assuming no other gases are generated) But is that the best mix for power output???
The injection of water mist is a double edged sword. While it will quench hot spots on entry into the engine if an engine is left unsed oxidisation will happen ( this is reduced by the introduction of petrol and oils, maybe an oil additive sprayed with the water mist maybe more benificial)
As HHO the mix is the most powerfull. As soon as you start to change the amount of oxigen or hydrogen, you will have a less powerfull explosion.
HHO as additive to petrol is a totally different story. Adding water to petrol engines running on petrol is also a different story.
My info is just based on running an ICE on Hydrogen without petrol.
OK! I spent the day playing around with various coils and didn't find too much. The one thing I did notice is the choke coil does not resonate or is in constant resonance? No matter what frequency I put through it, it stays the same in voltage and current. Voltage levels tested were 12V and under. I wonder if the power levels I am using are too low to see any anomalies? Back to the lab!
Hey Stevie... I would measure before the power supply.
how about using a small fully charged battery... testing how long it will take to drop to a predetermined voltage. like 10 volts.
Hi Jolt,
Well, i thought the same. Can you do me a favour and run a test on your PS? Just measure amps and volts on the 110V, and monitor that when you add some load to the ps. It totally doesnt match here. The PS pulls like 60watts, but on the PS outlet it does like 10watts. Seems to me like a lot of losses.
Its pretty hard to explain like this. Can we meet on Skype or msn one of coming days?
Steve
Steve,
I tested mine PS and wow you not kidding those things are so inefficient. I have a 12volt 55 watt automotive bulb and to light it up the PS uses 160 watts. this is horrible!!!!! I think it is because they use an analog method with transistors to control the output voltage.
I will run a test with my variac and see how that reacts.
Still, with the external powermeter on 60watss, the setup with 2 coils and pulsing at around 15khz showed much more gas then on strait dc.
Hello you all i'm coming up right now with info that anyone though before! I solved the injector!
What happens when a conductor moves cutting a magnetic field? A voltage is developed! in a direction 90° from the magnetic field lines and 90° from the movement! What happen when we have water under a very high pressure and make it to pass thru a 0,40 mm diameter hole? It will pass thru it at a very high speed! water is not conductive thus ( the ionized gases were needed in the injector to create the conduction ) Lets say you have a 0,40 mm hole 6cm long (it will have a volume = to 7,5 ul ( the amount stan said was injecting for each injection cycle in each cylinder) accordingly to the volume of a cylinder calculation =((diameter/2)^2)*High) Now you need to inject it in only 2ms what will be the speed of the water? answer (6cm/0,002)*(7,5-7,4) ((volume of the tube - the amount of water to be injected) (this result is = to how many times the tube will fill per injection) well the result is almost 3000cm/sec Now if you cut a magnetic flux of 15.000 gauss with water at this speed you will develop 1,7volts witch together with the ionized gas and a catalyzer element and resonance will actually crack the water!!!
Enjoy Freedom!
Now you just need to develop a certain pressure inside the tank, (only about 4 liters of water will be consumed in one hour thus even very high pressure will cost very low energy) and solenoids to do all the work... What about this? after 2010 years we can again walk on water...haha Best Regards to you all Donations are welcome! you find link on my you tube channel
Did you know that 7,4 ul of water = 13ml of gas h2+02 witch represents 3,33% of the 400cc cylinders meyer were using.
Yes he used positively ionized ambient gas...
He created the injectors to simplify and lower the costs
Sebos,
You just made my day!! Thats what i like about you. You are good with these kind of calculations. Wow. Do we make progress here or not!
In the mean time, i am currently building a big platecell of 100 plates which is wired in series, but is build in parallel stacks of 2 blocks. Yesterday the steel front plate was ready to be painted, but slipped out of my hands and hit my feet. Up to the hospital. 1 broken feet.........yeh....not good.
"Any form of combustion generates positive ions. All gas molecules and smoke particles resulting from combustion are positively charged. This is why people become sleepy, dull-witted or irritable in an inadequately ventilated room with an open fire -- or hazy with tobacco smoke. It is not generally realized that humanlife processes involve the combustion (oxidation) of fuel (nutrients), and that people take in negative charges and give off positive ones. This is why, in crowded rooms without adequate ventilation, people often have headaches(ref 1,2), become sleepy, dull-witted or irritable(ref 1,3) in the 'heavy' air -- typical examples of the SIS problem."
Maybe thats why Stan added exhaust gasses into his system... He needed the positive ions to pull the watervapour into pieces.. So, a positive ions generator with HV and a positive ion generator engine make lots of positive ions together. Add a positive charge of the sparkplug......
Now add watervapour which is normally negative charged and there you go
It seems that Stan used POSITIVE ions in his waterinjector setup in comby with the water vapours.
Lets make some theory on this: Engine = negative charged Watervapour = negative charged (?) With negative ambient air ions, nothing will happen. So, add positive ions and you will get a reaction of negative electrons from the watervapour willing to go to the positive ions from the nitrogen/oxygen from the ambient air. Resulting in splitting the watermolecule....
How do we get electrons in our gas mix? Do we get electrons from electriciity, like HV? Or do we rip off electrons by ionization from nitrogen/oxygen (air)?
The basic principle of quantum mechanics is that the biggest atom always wins from the smaller one. The oxygen is in mass the biggest. The oxygen atom that we have after the electrolysis proces is an atom that is missing 2 electrons in his outer shell. So, if you add electrons in the gas mix, the oxygen atom will fill his outer shell up with the free electrons and if there are no free electrons, it will bond with the electron from the hydrogen atoms.
Jolt, if the oxygen atom has filled his shell up, it will not change back into anything. There is no need for or proces that is doing that. What is left in the mix is hydrogen with 1 electron and nitrogen with some electrons missing. So, what happens next?
Some hydrogen atoms will bond with nitrogen and we will get Ammonia, which is good, because it levels on the same burn velocity as petrol. We also have hydrogen atom with a certain amount of oxygen atoms that will bond in the burn proces at the same level as petrol too. We end up with a much higher efficiency use of the hydrogen we produce.
This forum is stalled at just under 300 members, Public forum is recommended.
I think you should let the newbies in freely, and let the memberlist grow, Then again its you thats dealing with the Spam. I don't see such big problems on other open forums. Just my suggestion.
Everybody is free to join in here. You just have to register. Thats all. Its all automated.
The real question is why so many members do not publish at the moment. Still waiting on some results from some of them....
Resonant action. Where to look for is the right question. With coils and caps, we are looking for a high Q-factor. Meaning that when you hit the parallel or serie LC circuit, you will have energy bouncing back and forwards till the resistance and current leaking is consuming the power.
In a perfect setup, you will pulse the circuit once and you will see the power bouncing couple of seconds afterwards....
Stan said in one of his resonant quotes that he pulsed the cell and the gasproduction was continuing after the puls for a period.
If you look at his setup with use of coils, there is only one idea coming up on how it might work in my point of view. Its related to Dan Danfort's theory and schematics as well. He had talked to Stan in person.
The theory is that you hit the watercell with a dc puls, till current starts to flow. Sofar its plain electrolysis. When the current is flowing, all watermols are getting allignent. The path for HV is now created. So, when the LV/current pulse is gone, the coils bemf hits back into the watercell and takes the just made aligned molecule path. The HV peak of the bemf must be higher then 1500V before the mols start ringing, according to Dan's theory.
The one doesn't work with the other. Only HV is not working. Only LV and current is plain electrolysis. But but should show some wonders.
Nice ion measurment tool schematic. Never thought about using one, but this is pretty nice. I am working on my ambient air ionizer. My work is killing all myh free time, however, i think i will get some time this week to finish my first HV ionizer, which can fit on my motorbike. That way i can see what it does when the bike runs on HHO.
Stan's Atom (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture24-4.png)
Keely's Atom (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/klyatom.gif)
Nassim's Atom (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture25-3.png) (and everything)
Donald,
I have seen these shapes before, but i have also read that this flat circle orbits is just a way to show the people and that in real these electrons are not in perfect circles. Anybody any info on this?
