This was all bullshit until he prove it. It is like TGS (Ed. Mitchell) Cells. They claim a lot and show nothing, then they got frustrated about money and time they spent... Did anyone saw TGS producing decent gas on it? And about UncleFester (Tad Johnson) ?
NOTHING.
Steve, do you know if THEWATERENERGY1 work is based on Stans resonant cavity cell?
He didnt tell. But he is using all the meyer terms and words. Sounded like an un educate person who learned himself. And used all the magic words. But if you seen some of his vids, then you see nothing well measured and so on.
The good thing about this patent is that it has a circuit diagram and a parts list. Anyone who can follow a diagram should be able to see that the circuit is NON FUNCTIONAL. from left to right = a UJT oscillator/saw tooth , SCR , fullwave centre tap transformer and on the right a push pull resonant primary.
Are the diodes right way around? Are the 3055 bases connected to the trigger coils? Is the trans pos or neg centre tap?
Ok. After really detailed reading, i come to the conclusion that Mr. Anderson and Mr. Horvarth have done EXACTLY the same thing. Both used the same techno and also used the same hydrogen deuterium gas composition to run their cars..... Its stunning. Horvarths patent is very very clear in details.
I dont hope that his topic stopped because of no interest.... I have studied this patent more and in fully details. I have matched it with my knowledge on the Anderson system and also with the Meyer system.
I trully want to wake up everybody in the world to do the same. This patent is the ONLY patent that states that this detailed descriped machine will run an internal combustion engine... Consider that.
Hello Ive been over to open source energy and it looks like Ive been shut out . a few days ago I had to renew my password ...ok then did that , today I go there and now my log on is rejected so I figure re register .......that doesnt happen either , also there is no way of contacting the engine room of that forum ....... or is just me?
hi massive,
i came all the way here to see why you say this?
i looked at your account and its in good standing order. there appears there is no reasons why you should be locked out ECT. we have had a lot of logging and out problems after we moved the forums. still trying to fix some of them. sorry your having problems
let me know if i can help.
thanks,
~Russ
OSE admin.
PS. Hi Ed, hope your well. God bless
So, welcome new member Rus from OSE. Do you want a project section for yr own projects on this forum? Just ask.
Very nice cells you have. Honestly that's good work, I know how much time and effort and $ it takes to get one made...
You could be right about Max. That is a good point because one thing many people are missing here is proper scientific documentation and measurements.
Anyways I would advise you to cover up your cells and connections between them with a conductive metal shield. You might also want to use some coax cable for your connections. When you really get things working the exposure to the radiation released will make you sicker than a dog. Trust me. It only takes operating the cell unshielded for a few minutes to make you sick for hours.
I think it was artinvegas that said Stan was diagnosed Prostate cancer a few years before he died....Perhaps the radiation exposure over time had something to do with it? But for his age that's also not uncommon...
Well, 1 on 5 people will get cancer, is it? So, he might just be unlucky..... This with all well ment respect. Its sad he is not with us anymore. The world would might have looked a bit cleaner....
Information: HotWires Thermo hotwire physics performance button emissions button The Physics Behind The Nology® Ignition Concept:
IGNITION SYSTEM DATA COMPARISON: Conventional Spark Nology Spark Temperature Current Power 2,500° F 0.1 Ampere 300 Watts up to 150,000° F up to 1,000 Amperes up to 100,000 Watts Note: Numbers are averages and depend on the system and ignition parts used.
Introduction:
To keep formulas easy, all calculations are based on a simple electronic inductive ignition system. However, similar results can be achieved using a points inductive or CD ignition system.
1. Conventional Inductive Ignition System
A common 12 Volt electronic ignition system, exhibits following the coil values:
Vbatt Rp Lp ip I = = = = = 12 V 3 Ohms 10 mH Vbatt/Rp 12V/3 Ohms
=
4A {Volt} {Ohm} {milliHenry} {Amperes}
It is assumed that the dwell is large enough to saturate the coil to full 4 Amperes before the spark occurs!
The unit for inductance L is 1 Henry (H) with the dimension:
1H=(1V * 1s)/1A H V s A = = = = Henry Volt Second Ampere
Electronic ignition systems always have a loss of voltage at the power transistor, measuring about 0.8 to 1.5 Volts. However, on vehicles with a charging system, voltage at the coil is always a little higher than 12 Volts. Therefore, we will assume that the voltage at the coil is 12 Volts.
The energy stored in the magnetic field of the ignition coil primary side (Ep) is calculated:
Ep = 0.5 * L *i2 {V * s / A * A * A = V * s * A} Ep = 0.5 * 10 * 10-3*42 {V * s * A} Ep = 8 * 10-3 {V * A * s = Ws = J} Ep = 80 mWs = 80 mJ {mWs = mJ}
When current to the ignition coil is interrupted and the magnetic field collapses, energy from the ignition coil primary side is transferred to the ignition coil secondary side. If an efficiency of 100% is assumed, Es is equivalent to Ep:
Es Es = = Ep 80 mWs = 80 mJ {mWs = mJ}
The unit for electrical capacitance C is 1 Farad with the dimension:
Farad with the dimension 1F=(1A * 1s)/1V F A s V = = = = Farad Ampere Second Volt
The capacitance of the ignition coil secondary side (Ccs) is dependent on the energy of the ignition coil secondary side:
Es = 0.5 * Ccs * Vi2 9 Ccs = Es * 2 / Vi2
and is calculated:
Ccs = Es * 2 / Vi2 (Es = Ep = 80 mWs) Ccs = 80 * 10-3 * 2 / (252* 106) {V * A * s / V2} Ccs = 0.256 * 10-9 {A * s / V} Ccs = 256 * 10-12 {F} Ccs = 256 pF
The voltage at the spark plug gap at time of ionization (Vi) is governed by: Spark plug gap Cylinder pressure Combustion chamber temperature Spark Plug electrode material and shape Fuel/Air mixture
Ionization voltage is assumed to be Vi = 12,000 Volts = 12 kV, which is the case with most OEM ignition systems.
The resistance of the secondary side (Rsec) is the sum of:
1. Rs Resistance of secondary coil winding about 15 K Ohms 2. Rsr Resistance of Rotor about 5 K Ohms 3. Rsw Resisance of spark plug wire about 15 K Ohms 4. Rsp Resisance of spark plug about 5 K Ohms and is calculated:
The coil discharge time constant (c) is calculated:
c = Rs * C {Ohms * Farad} c = 40 * 103 * 79 * 10-12 {V / A * A * s/V} c = 1.024 * 10-5 {s} c = 10 µs {microseconds}
Applying ohms law to the secondary resistance and ionization voltage, spark current (is) is calculated:
is = Vi / Rsec (Vi = 12 kV, Rsec = 40kOhms) is = 12 * 103/ (40*103) {V * A / V} is = 0.300 {A} is = 300 mA
The spark current of 300 mA is only available for a fraction of time, during the brake-down phase, and decreases substanctially with time (c).
For the entire spark duration, ignition spark burning voltage across spark plug gap (Vb) can be measured to about 100 Volts. Burning resistance (Rb) across the spark plug gap, for the same time, is calculated:
Because of losses and efficiencies below 100%, spark current and power are less than shown. Therefore, spark duration can be claimed to be about 1.0 to 3.0 ms, depending on ignition components.
2. The Nology Ignition Concept
The following calculations demonstrate what influence a capacitor has on spark performance when installed at the secondary side of the ignition system, close to the spark plug.
A capacitance of about 50 pF is in parallel with the spark plug gap. (See diagram)
d = R * CN d = 333 * 50*10-12 d = 1.66 * 10-9 d = 1.66 ns [Ohms * Farad] {V/A*A*s/V} {s}
The average spark current (is) for the first 1.66 ns is calculated using the charge and discharge time constant:
is = Q/d is = 0.6 * 10-6/ (1.66 * 10-9) is = 361 A {A*s/V*V/s} {A}
The resulting average spark power for the first 1.66 ns is calculated:
Ps = V * is Ps = 100 * 361 Ps = 36,100 W {V*A} {W}
When the ionization voltage climbs to 40,000 Volts, at high engine loads (high compression racing engines, turbocharger, blower or NOS equipped engines, natural gas engines etc.), the values change to:
Charge at the Capacitor @ 40 kV
Q = 50 * 10-12 * 40 * 103 Q = 2.0 µAs {A*s/V*V}
Spark Current @ 40 kV
is = 2.0 * 10-6 / (1.66 * 10-9) is = 1205 A {A}
Spark Power @ 40 kV
Ps = V * is Ps = 100 * 1205 Ps = 120,500 W {V*A} {W}
Spark current and power are average for the first 1.66 ns., during which 66% of the energy is discharged. The remaining 34% will be completely discharged after 5 ns:
tsp = 3 * d tsp = 3 *1.66 ns tsp = 5 ns
Abbreviations used in this paper: CN = Capacitance of NOLOGY HotWires {Farad} Ccs = Capacitance of secondary coil {Farad} Ep = Primary energy of the ignition coil {millijoule} Es = Secondary energy of the ignition coil {millijoule} ip = Primary current of the ignition coil coil {Ampere} is = Spark current {Ampere} Lp = Primary inductance of the ignition coil {millihenry} Ps = Spark power {millihenry} Q = Charge at the NOLOGY capacitor {Coulomb} Rb = Burning resistance {Ohm} Rp = Primary resistance of the ignition coil {Ohm} Rs = Secondary resistance of the ignition coil coil {Ohm} Rsec = Total secondary resistance coil coil {Ohm} Rsp = Resistance of spark plug {Ohm} Rsr = Resistance of rotor in distributor {Ohm} Rsw = Resistance of spark plug wires {Ohm} tsp = Spark duration {second} c = Coil discharge time constant {second} d = Capacitor discharge time constant {second} Vb = Burning voltage at spark plug gap {Volt} Vbatt = Voltage at battery {Volt} Vi = Ionization voltage at spark plug gap {Volt}
Units used in this paper:
A C F H mH J mJ 3 s V W Ws mWs = = = = = = = = = = = = = Ampere Coulomb Farad Henry millihenry Joule millijoule Ohm Second Volt Watt Wattsecond milliwattsecond [Current] [Charge] [Capacitance] [Inductance] [Inductance] [Energy] [Energy] [Resistance] [Time] [Voltage] [Power] [Energy] [Energy]
It basically means that all components are in the cell of Anderson. No external ions are needed! During electrolysis, hydrogen ions are formed. The nickel electrons and caveltys, the radiolysis, in comby with the high voltage electrons bombardment will do the trick....and of course, under some pressure. Transmutation of an hydrogen ion into a neutron, making deutrium...
My 2 cents in the pulsed electrolysis systems are that the cell is getting a little bitmore efficient as the helmholz layers are removed, so more current can flow with the same voltage. The biggest gain however, is that the type of gas changes. You will create brownsgas. And that contains more monotic hydrogen. Like 3 percent. More bang for yr money. And for the ney sayers, i tried it myself with my motorbike engine. Pulsed means max 240hz. 50 or 60 hz works also fine. Also less cells with a higher voltage then 2 volt per cell works better. Better for the engine. Not better efficiency according to electrolysis laws...
