Steve

Hi Adys,

I found it here:
http://www.overunity.com/14914/multifunction-chemical-physical-reactor/msg416839/#new

More pictures of the wfc

WFC pics

Fabio

Please read this
To calculate the wavelength of an Antenna the formula for Wavelength is the Speed of Light ~299,792,458 metres per second divided by the frequency in Hertz. However, because electricity travels slower through some materials than others, there is a need to reduce the speed of light by the Velocity of Propagation also commonly known as the Velocity Factor for example a piece of copper wire has a Velocity Factor of 0.951.
Consequently the formula of a full wave antenna at 2.447Ghz (Channel using copper wire is:
(299,792,458 x 0.951) / 2,4470,000,000 = 112mm
A Half Wave antenna would then be 56mm and a Quarter Wave antenna would be 28mm
Please note: This is only a guide to home made antenna building, when looking around the Internet you'll find many variations to this calculation due of a number of reasons ranging from rounding down/up or ways to match the impedance of the antenna with the feed line.
For example feed lines for Transmitters and Transceivers are 50 Ohms so too Wireless LAN equipment. However a half wave dipole is 72 Ohms and a quarter mono pole is 30 Ohms but for maximum efficiency both feed line and antenna must be the same impedance. Consequently there are many tricks employed to achieve a match and no doubt antenna design is a very complex area, but you'll be surprised of what can be done with a little experimentation, specially as the equipment used in Wireless LAN is very low-powered and therefor the risks of equipment damage and interference is minimal and so well worth having a go.

Cores with an air gap are needed to achieve the highest Q factor and temperature stability.....
I rest my case....

Ron advised to focus on the primary.
After some research i ended by by flyback type transformers who function a bit different then normal transformers.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2890.msg26982/topicseen.html#msg26982
The term "Flyback Transformer" is a little misleading and its more useful to consider it as coupled inductors rather than a transformer because the action is quite different with a conventional transformer energy is going into the primary and out of the secondary at the same time it does not store energy. With a "Flyback" transformer energy is first stored then released.

So, the approuch for the vic system of Ron, must be using gaps between the cores..
Ron, i just orderd some of your recommanded cores and will use them like flyback,s..
See what comes out of it ☺☺

Sure can, http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/231356182.html

Thanks Ron.
The shape is different then the Meyer cores.
Is this the one you use with primary, secondairy, chokes and measure coils?

cheers

Steve

I have some measurements to give you for the coils.
Using the above pictures as a referance the dementions are as followed.
 
The length of the large coils(left to right) 1.312 inches.
The width of the coils (top to bottom) 1.5 inches
The height of the coils(table up) 1.16 inches.
 
Coil base size measures .360 x .675 inches.
 
Length of small feedback coil (green) is.380 inches.
 
Wire size was 29 gauge .0115 inches.
 
My calculations for the primary wire is between 600-650 turns, wire resistance measured 10.5 ohms
 
Secondary 3000-3200 turns, wire resistance measured between 70-75 ohms between the three coils (2 chokes and secondary)
 
Now get busy
Don

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Quote from: Dynodon on 05 March 2011, 16:00:00
Kali'
Your way off with your turns.
 
Here's the resistance values that I took from the coils with a Fluke meter.
Primary-10.5 ohms
Secondary and chokes-70-75 ohms
Feedback-11.5 ohms
 
Now 29 gauge wire measures 81.83 ohms per 1000 feet,so I come up with the following
 
Primary- 128 feet
Secondary and chokes- 884 feet
 
As for number of turns I come up with
Primary - 600-650 turns
Secondary and chokes - 3000-3500 turns
 
Because they are hand wound and not precision,these should be very close.
 
As for the 220 ohm resister,they were wired across the primary to restrict the current feeding it.10.5 ohms will make the coil heat up with 12 volts feeding it.Some of the coil pacts had three resistors across the primary,all of them were 220 ohm.The largest one was a 5 watt.
Don
Quote from: Dynodon on 06 March 2011, 16:22:44
The 220 ohm resistors were like I said wired across the primary coil(parallel).A friend had talked with a coil manufacture,and they told him that 10.5 ohms coil would get hot,then he asked them what would happen if you were to wire a 220 ohm resistor across it,and he stated that it would run cooler.Not my words.
 
As for the NVR1550 diode,there is actually a MUR1550 and a MUR1560.The first is a 500 volt,and the second was a 600 volt.
 
Kali,as for your explaination of the voltage step up up 1:5 with 12 volts in and 60 volts out was a little confusing.But I believe I understand what you were getting at.
 
You are stating that if you apply 12 volts to the primary coil,with a step up ratio of 1:5 you will then get 60 volts out to the blocking diode.Now in my testing of my coils,I have a step up ratio of 1:10 or as I would put it 10:1.So if I apply 12 volts to my primary I should get 120 volts out of the secondary.Right?
 
Well when I test the output of my secondary without any load on it,I get a much greater step up than 10:1.I've seen several hundred volts.No just maybe that is what Stan is hoping for with his set up.Maybe because we are restricting amps with the choke coils that this high voltage from our secondary is able to stay high,because of the very low load.
 
Under normal step up coils we are appling loads to the secondary output which pulls the voltage down to the actual ratio of the steup.So just maybe with the chokes restricting the amps,we are able to keep this higher voltage than the stepup ratio produces.Maybe it has something to do with the coils all being on the same core that allows  this greater voltage to be produce.
 
Now again with my coil set up,of 100 turns primary,1000 turns secondary,and 2000 turns chokes,I have seen between 1kv-2kv at the cell.It it hasn't had any ill effect on the blocking diode.And my diode is the same rating as a MUR1560.
 
Thats some of my thoughts on this matter as I have seen it with my own testing.
Don

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Quote from: TonyWoodside on 01 April 2011, 08:17:24
Primary : 450 turns, 10?, Air Inductance 1.43mH, Core Inductance 8.01mH
Feedback : 450 turns, 10?, Air Inductance 2.98mH, Core Inductance 10.4mH
Secondary : 3000 turns, 78.2?, Air Inductance 87.2mH, Core Inductance 358mH
L1 : 3000 turns, 75.9?, Air Inductance 83.1mH, Core Inductance 359mH
L2 : 3000 turns, 76.9?, Air Inductance 85.5mH, Core Inductance 359mH

So the secondary side total inductance is 1076mH
My testing coils are as follows:
Prim. 850uH 1ohm 200wnd AWG23 (100ohm series resistor) coil former 35mm length max.30mm height
Sec. 150mH 46ohm 2000wnd AWG30 coil former 35mm length max.30mm height
Pickup center tapped 2x 15mH 2x11ohm  2x500wnd AWG30 coil former 20mm length max.30mm height
Choke1 150mH 46ohm 2000wnd AWG30 coil former 35mm length max.30mm height
Choke2 150mH 46ohm 2000wnd AWG30 coil former 35mm length max.30mm height
core hole 10x8mm

Copper wire insulation should sustain 2k5Volt.
Inductance depends on core material used (measured values are without core)
Going to try ferrite core ( UU core )

My wfc cell is insulated in delrin. Wires are fully insulated.
It is 2Mega Ohms 1.8nF.

br,
Webmug

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The core is a Ferroxcube U core,the largest one they make.The legs are @ 3/4 inch in diameter.
The chokes are in the 10-11 Henries ech,very high.






So......as Don once said, go testing!

Steve

Quote from: Steve on July 10, 2014, 16:28:22 pm

at least it is clear that the negative is on the outside and the positive on the inside...

why did you conclude that?

If HF energy is traveling on the outside of a conductor, is leaving the conductor into space, and you want to catch it, want to bounch it in a cavity, it seems to me logic to do that this way....
If you take the outer tube, you might loose at least 50% floating into air or in our case, waterbucket

A cavity resonator, usually used in reference to electromagnetic resonators, is one in which waves exist in a hollow space inside the device.
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So the resonant frequencies of resonators, called normal modes, are equally spaced multiples (harmonics) of a lowest frequency called the fundamental frequency. The above analysis assumes the medium inside the resonator is homogeneous, so the waves travel at a constant speed, and that the shape of the resonator is rectilinear. If the resonator is inhomogeneous or has a nonrectilinear shape, like a circular drumhead or a cylindrical microwave cavity, the resonant frequencies may not occur at equally spaced multiples of the fundamental frequency. They are then called overtones instead of harmonics. There may be several such series of resonant frequencies in a single resonator, corresponding to different modes of vibration.
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An electrical circuit composed of discrete components can act as a resonator when both an inductor and capacitor are included. Oscillations are limited by the inclusion of resistance, either via a specific resistor component, or due to resistance of the inductor windings. Such resonant circuits are also called RLC circuits after the circuit symbols for the components.
A distributed-parameter resonator has capacitance, inductance, and resistance that cannot be isolated into separate lumped capacitors, inductors, or resistors. An example of this, much used in filtering, is the helical resonator.
A single layer coil (or solenoid) that is used as a secondary or tertiary winding in a Tesla coil or magnifying transmitter is also a distributed resonator.

Next question is then: what are microwaves?

Microwaves, Radar

While there are some radar bands from 1,300 to 1,600 MHz, most microwave applications fall in the range 3,000 to 30,000 MHz (3-30 GHz). Current microwave ovens operate at a nominal frequency of 2450 MHz, a band assigned by the FCC. There are also some amateur and radio navigation uses of the 3-30 GHz range. In interactions with matter, microwave radiation primarily acts to produce molecular rotation and torsion, and microwave absorption manifests itself by heat. Molecular structure information can be obtained from the analysis of molecular rotational spectra, the most precise way to determine bond lengths and angles of molecules. Microwave radiation is also used in electron spin resonance spectroscopy.

For microwave ovens and some radar applications, the microwaves are produced by magnetrons.

Of great astrophysical significance is the 3K background radiation in the universe, which is in the microwave region. It has recently been mapped with great precision by the WMAP probe.

Frequencies: 1.6-30 GHz
Wavelengths: 187 - 10 mm
Quantum energies: 0.66 x 10-5 - 0.12 x 10-3 eV

Here a nice description of a resonant cavity...
Read carefully please....


Steve

I mean a simple thing look the drawing.

My Point is that we need to start from simple.

Thick wire and a cell in parallel.... For what? For shake the electrons.

According to eccles the requirement to achieve fracturing in the cell is to have a strongly alternating electric field across the water.

I propose that it can be achieved by simply paralleling a coil with water cell. Since the coil will reverse the voltage immediately at the switch off of the transistor current.

The effect is that its going to accelerate the ions back and forth like per meyer description resonant action. According to eccles at the boundary of the cell or the interface between the plastic and the water the ions get striped of electrons and this electrons and protons start to populate both plates in such a manner that collision as per description of tay he happen between the free electron and free protons generating monoatomic hydrogen which ends us summing with neighbored monoatomic hydrogen atoms forming hydrogen gas
 

You want to re create a microwave oven?
Shake up the ions?
 

the question is if most of the Meyer techno replicators are willing to try other hydrogen water tests....

cheers

Elektrojolt still responses to email, if you want....
He still likes to hobby..

If you talk about ignition coils, then i have a similar setup in my shop.
2 iginitioncoils in serie, create like 70kv...
They did that in racecars....
However, i never added diodes like you Hydro...
Maybe something to try, with a one little tubeset?

It may be blasphemy, but I concur.

You get a really good bump when you run in resonance and have a nice differential between the chokes. Example: Freq. 1.591kHz, L1=1.1H, L2=1H, 10nF

I'm not sure what numbers your playing with. I really believe the chokes were not of equal length.

I'm still messing around with the concept.

Warm regards,

Derek

Hi Derek,

We would love to see some motivating pictures of your setup and some scope shots 

Steve

I'll offer an anecdote.  A neighbor of mine down the street (working as an engineer for GM at the time) was invited by Stan to help solve some of the pre-ignition issues with H2 in his buggy.  He, along with his wife, went to Grove City and watched it run; his wife had her hand on the HHO generator and noticed that it never even got warm while producing enough gas to make the engine run.

That neighbor has offered the same assistance to me, should I ever get the Meyer system to work. These are folks that knew Stan and had every confidence that he could make it work as he intended, given enough time.

Maybe I'll get off my defeatist attitude and get back to work on this someday, and the sooner the better

Turtle, slow

Hi Keith,

That a very nice post of you.
Can you tell us about which setup that neighbour was talking about?

Best regards
Steve

hmmm, critical audience here.
Edward says in the video that the second vic coil at that setup is not working anymore.
And also that the threshold of that cell is 7KV.
So, not much action at 3kv is reasonable.
I want  to see that cell at 7kv.
I can ask Edward to make a video of that, dont you think?

Steve

I ask by email.
No anwer yet...

How will that remove the waste spark ?

Neal

I used two gears ratio one on two.
Put the magnet on the gear that turn two times slower then the crank.
Done!