Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
Started by unknown · · 70 posts · last reply 31 December 2015
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#1 · date not recorded
Hello to everyone.
On my experiments with Stanley Meyer WFC, when i connect the scope probe over the cell i got this waveform:
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step001.jpg)
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step002.jpg)
My setup is;
Signal generator: Arduino nano v3 with square wave generator program based on tone.h library (timer2)
-Frequency 3 to 4 khz (dont remember exactly).
- Gate on time 45 milliseconds
- Gate off time 50 milliseconds
Transformer:
- Core: Flyback TV Transformer
- Primary: 160 Turns 0.5mm enamelled wire (0.0155in)
- Secondary: 320 Turns 0.5mm enamelled wire (0.0155in) (Just for test - 1:2)
Chokes:
1 Bifilar coil of 95 turns 0.85mm enamelled wire wound on ferrite rod with 9,5mm diameter
Power: 12v car Battery
Cell:
2 tubes with 80mm long
inner: 14mm x 0.7mm thickness
outer: 22mm x 0.7mm thickness
Both 304L Stainless Steel (used for water in houses)
The outside tube of the cell was isolated with ISLARC insulation Spray , ONLY THE OUTSIDE FACE OF THE OUTSIDE TUBE
Feel free to comment and to ask. -
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Hi
are you using an air gap in the core?
in fly back mode it uses the air gap as energy storage but used as a ferrite core no air gap is used
might be able to run 2 tests , with and without -
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Hello.
Thank you for asking.
Im using it without airgap.
I believe that air gap is just to avoid core saturation and / or reduce the inductance
i tested the same setup with a toroidal ferrite core with outer diameter of 28mm from car audio amp, with the same windings as on the tv flyback core,
It worked better, but was a b*tch to wind!
I dont believe at all that Stan's transformers was Flyback topology, but LLC transformer (resonant transformer, that ones that uses separated coil formers, instead of one over another).
See on google: LLC resonant transformer. -
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Thank you.
But what makes you think that this is the correct waveform?
I looked into Tony Woodside scope pictures and it is different from ours too.
Very confused.
Maybe the propretaries of the stan´s estate should test the VIC as they did publishing a lot of info like schematics and pictures of the original stuff.
Flyback transformers used reversed secondary orientation, and power is transferred on switch off.
If the draw of the wirings is correct, it cannot be Flyback topology, right?
This is what i thought, not as it must be, correct me if i am wrong. -
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Me scope was on DC mode, sorry.
If i put into AC coupling mode, the 0 (zero) point stays at middle of the waveform. -
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The scope probe is on X10 mode.
With this setup, the peak to peak voltage is about 50v.
With toroidal transformer, i used 30V input and output peak to peak reached the 300V with good bubbles.
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I will replace the transformer with the toroidal one, maybe next weekend and take a video of the tube cell.
My current setup produces low with this transformer, but consumes only 150ma @ 12v. -
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My waveform "zoomed":
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/zoomscope.jpg)
It seems to have some kind of "step charge", what do you think? -
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I am not saying that i am right, but what sustains my theory is this:
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step.jpg)
and the description in this ORIGINAL documentation of Stanley Meyer (thanks to Tony Woodside, this is very precious!)
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#10 ·
I will replace the transformer with the toroidal one, maybe next weekend and take a video of the tube cell.
My current setup produces low with this transformer, but consumes only 150ma @ 12v.
We really would like to see that, X
Thanks in advance! -
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As you can see, i moved the off topic posts to another topic where you can discuss who is right and who is wrong.
I want X blade to have his own podium and freedom here...
Cheers
Admin Steve -
#12 · date not recorded
Nice document... i have not see before... but is more of the same....
xblade compliments for your work...
my waveform looks just little different but who knows... keep going...
is your cell grounded ?
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#13 · date not recorded
I think that i saw this setup on the youtube.
Are you the "Diesel Mechanic"?
Just reply this question before a start to laught out loud...
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#14 · date not recorded
Nice document... i have not see before... but is more of the same....
xblade compliments for your work...
my waveform looks just little different but who knows... keep going...
is your cell grounded ?
No. it is not grounded. -
#15 ·
Here we go again!
Some people over this foruns said its impossible to get the step-charging effect without tube coatings... here is the proof,
Check my new scope shots:
1. Step-Charge over the cell
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step0001.jpg)]
2. Upside: Channel 1 - across the cell
Downside: Channel 2 - Pulse train applied to the transistor
(http://xblade85.no.sapo.pt/HHO/step0003.jpg)
Feel free tgo ask and comment.
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#16 ·
Nice scope shots!
Well, the question is of course, if you have any special results gas out vs power in.....
Well done!
Cheers
Steve -
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Nope, low output and low power (24v@0,1A) like other users.
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TGS you are a joke. -
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Did you achieved the ionization treshold? (maybe 1 billion volts, lol). TGS #tomarnocuu -
#20 ·
Post removed jokes now on you
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#21 ·
There is no center-taped transformer, so negative voltage will be allways equal on both electrodes. Do you know ohm's law?
This kind of blah blah blah dont mean a sh** to anyone.
#tomarnocu Alguem cale este idiota.
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#22 ·
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/personalpics009_zpscf31888c.jpg)
I know this waveform has both a B- and a B+ voltage and looks more like this one below than yours does. The differential probe is suppose to be hooked up directly to the water fuel capacitor when you take your readings but I don't think you have a differential probe do you? Perhaps you should start a crowdfund like the other guy did so you too can get one as without it you have no idea what you are getting to your cell as you must have the right tools for the task at hand as that is just the way it goes and there is no getting around it.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/10_5VOLTAGECHARINGEFFECT.png) -
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I cant see any step-charging effect in this scope shot.
1st- If you are applying DC pulsed voltage, there is no need of a differential probe.
2nd- what i see is a sequential charge and discharge with almost same amplitude.
3rd- your setup is a mix of 3 stans technology.
Your setup didnt produce any gas proving you're right.
Until you have a proof of concept about your theory, stop saying that. -
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Without a differential probe one can't view what this technology is doing on the secondary side as it is an isolated circuit and it must remain that way. If you give it a ground it will take it as it is actively searching for one. You all need to be taught how to read the waveform correctly as I can tell you have no idea what you are actually looking at.
The waveform is to be read by the near vertical lines as that is when it is applying a B+ and B- voltage potential to the plates of the exciter array. In the waveform I showed you I put in five pulses and if you count the near vertical lines you will see it has ten of them which is pulse doubling. The waveform isn't perfect as the B+ and B- voltages need to be as close to being equal as one can get them to be. The time for the near vertical lines has to be faster than the relaxation time for water as when it is the water sees it as being the same time. This is how you read the waveform correctly.
Meyer doesn't state that there needs to be a B+ and B- voltage just to be saying something he is telling us how the technology works to make use of voltage to break the bonds of the water molecules. This is how "The Electrical Polarization Process" works. This time as I re-post the learning information take the time to actually read the information being given to you before spouting off at the mouth with a bunch of nonsense.
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/2015-11-25_031923_zpspsrrfric.png)
Here is a video that will teach you how a differential probe works:
Without this measuring device you simply can't view what this technology doing. You need to be able to get a differential reading of what is happening at the plates of the water fuel capacitor. In science we don't assume there is a negative voltage there we actually measure it with the proper tools for the job.
Using the Electrical Polarization Process to break the bonds of the water molecules is what we are trying to do in replicating Meyer's technology, correct? All of you running around telling people you don't need a negative voltage when Meyer himself clearly states we need an equal negative and positive voltage being applied to the plates of the water fuel capacitor are going against what Meyer teaches about this technology we are all trying to duplicate. You running around believing you don't need a differential probe to be able to view this technology isn't going to change the fact that you do need a differential probe to be able to view this technology.
All the other points you made will be ignored as you simply have no idea what you are talking about as you assume too much with no facts to back up what you are saying. You have no idea what my setup looks like right now as I stopped sharing that information since the 2013 Global BEM to those I don't know or trust. Since you don't have a differential probe you have no idea what the waveform actually looks like as you simply don't have the right tools to be able to view this technology. -
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Why wont you put us at ease there TGS and give us some gas readings.