Steve

Interesting fact:

They started a company that has a technology that deals with electromagnetic fields, molecules, charging molecules, etc.
I remember a statement of Anderson,in which he states that his hv unit is breaking your bloodcells apart.
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Meyers techno is not much different.
My 2 cents is that this company is using Meyers techno not for water, because of obvious suspicious reasons, but now in a different application.....

The fun part of the bemf is also that the hydrogen on the cathode gives back energy.
So if you pulse a cell, then you can see on the scope a negative voltage peak.
so what can you do with that?
Collect that returning power in a coil and re use it?

Again and again?
Stepping up?

Dear members,

I found this document and it is really good material. Specially the second part of this book. Electrochemistry, page 90, chapter 4.
You can read about how electrolysis works and you even might find interesting things with Meyers technology.
It speaks of emf into a cell and the bemf from the cell.
It also speaks of the polarization process.

Best regards
Steve

Steve that was the demo cell and it consumed 40A no wonder why the wires got hot.Still wondering how was geting more voltage from the r-vic since a stock alt is outputing @50v at 1A,but there is not much room left on the stator to wind more wire on it.so lets say at 2A =100v,wich is not that much.Sory for offtopic TS.

as far as i understand it, the higher voltage came from bemf spikes.

TS, please continue...

I'm trying to imagine how the voltage level would look if one were to compare to water pressure.   One thing that I think all of us to date have confirmed that no matter how much we try to restrict amps, we simply do not get gas with high voltage without  some current involved.

We also know there is a minimum amount of voltage required to perform normal electrolysis.   2.2V or somewhere there abouts.

Lets look at this from another perspective; I'm going to use an example where balloons are the electrodes and water the electricity.

Lets say that the balloons are full of tiny holes.   Those holes will represent electron leakage in the water.

If we fill the balloon only to the point where the balloon resists any further input without any additional pressure, there is minimal water (or in electronic terms, electron) leakage.   The more pressure we add the greater the leakage since the tiny holes in the balloon expand and allow more water to flow out.

Now, lets say we put an instantaneous high pressure of water into the balloon.  What will happen?   The balloon may instantly explode?  It may instantly swell up briefly before releasing its load.  But ultimately, the load is still expelled with a higher volume than it would with less pressure. UNLESS that pressure imposed is so short and pulls back so fast that it barely makes a ripple in the load and intact perhaps even creates a reverse load to balance the pressure within the balloon to keep the leakage constant.

Just really thinking out loud here...

Not done with this thought, but am posting what I have come up with so far as I work out my thinking on this.

TS

Thanks for sharing your idea's, TS.
Maybe able to help your thoughts:
What is happening at electrodes when you put voltage on them?
One will electrode will have more electrons then the other one. Thats the potential difference. Thats the 2.2V you spoke of.
As soon as you you put more volts on the electrodes, you create a bigger difference between them.
Then U=I*R comes in.
When you put 2.2V at your electrodes or 10KV doesnt matter. The reaction will be the same. Voltage = Amps times resistance
The higher volts, the same resistance, the more amps. Thats a law.
In case of water, higher volts create even less resistance when the molecules align, and even more amps will go....
The electrons give their charge to the ions in the waterbath.

So, if HV is the goal, then you must switch off the pulse before the water molecule are getting aligned. Thats Meyers system.
Ultrashort pulses.
But the issue is if that creates gas or not.
Sofar no results by anybody.
I know from first hand observers that the alternator setup was pumping high amps, because the observer had put his hand on the cables going to the cell of that setup.
I think that the high voltage pulses where used to get more amps in a smaller unit and to be able to use any kind of water.

Steve

Quote from: Steve on July 19, 2013, 23:28:51 pm

Quote from: timeshell on July 19, 2013, 16:24:54 pm

Zinc oxide apparently has piezo electric properties.  If zinc was part of the stainless steel alloy, I'm imagining that the stainless steel would physically oscillate at the same frequency of the electrical pulse.  If this is the case, we could have both an electrical and physical oscillation occuring simultaneously at the resonant frequency of the circuit tuned to the resonant frequency of the tube itself.  Additionally, if water does respond to the physical waveform, this should be a self amplifying effect according to my thinking.

I'm open to thoughts on this.

TS

I like your open mind, TS.
Maybe if you know the end product target, you might get an answer on your question.

Steve

Sorry Steve, didn't follow the meaning of your suggestion.

TS

Have you ever defined what end product is that you need?
H1, H2, NH3, CH, brownsgas, HHO, D2, D1, OH?

I say this, because the type of electronic circuit has impact on that and the type of electrode material has impact on this.
By adding ambient air thru your cell, you also have influence on the output type of gas. And if you have read the Anderson threat, you can add things like radiolysis, magnetic fields, x-rays etc as well. All have impact on the end product type of gas produced.

So, TS. What is the purpose of the gas that you want to produce? Or does it only have to be lots of something like the rest thinks is necessary?
I know i am very direct. Dont take this wrong please. Just trying to point out something very important, from my point of view, of course...

Steve

http://m.youtube.com/#/user/THEWATERENERGY1?&desktop_uri=%2Fuser%2FTHEWATERENERGY1


Does anybody knows this researcher?

Best regards
Steve

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Hmmm, what type of browser do you use, Kevin?

Hi Guys it is a long time since I wrote on here  I am aussepom but I have a new email and I forgot my password so I joined.
mysteries of water well I have solved a good one, how to use water as a fuel, but in a different way, I turn it into plasma, yes i have done it, the longest run 1.5mins, water turns into pure plasma at 12,000 deg C,  and as water starts to dissociate at 2,700C  oh how do I get it to 12,000C,

 water is a wonderful gift to this planet, it can do many things now it will be able to power a steam boiler no more nuclear shit, gas or coal,  oh you think that this is a fairy story you will be very wrong.  I gave up on HHO a long time ago  and how are you doing Steve???

Heeeee, Brian from Australia...
Long time no see and spoken!
Good to read that you are still on the plasma project 

So you ran an engine now on that fabulous torch of yours?
Of course it makes me curious when people make statements like this, as you should know...
How in the world do you measure the temperature at such high levels?
I am here now on the Herman Anderson project working. That men spoke some very wise words in my ear.
I am now on setting up a replica. He mixed a couple of proven technology's. Ill guess he really ran on water with his car.
I also stumbled on something else, 3 years ago, during my testing here.
Made a project of it and done some amazing tests. Its producing pure hydrogen against little to none electrical energy.
Well, we can mail about it, if you like.
Hope to see more from you, made!

Steve

interesting question...

I've heard that ultrasonics is an interesting area to work with..

It depends.
If you use this on comby with electrolysis, then it is a bad idea.
If you have bubles on your plates, no charge can be tranferred...

But if anybody has other idea's....

Nice theory.
But if an atom transmittes energy, then that will not go on forever, or am i wrong here?

I've been a longtime lurker without the time/knowledge/money to do any research but i try to absorb as much as i can about what you all are doing.  To me you all are like a favorite sports team and I'm rooting for you all to win and figure all of this out.  Could anyone (Steve or someone else) summarize where you think we are with each of the pieces of tech (gas gun, electron extraction circuit, demo tube cell, etc.) as I think i might help people like me who are not very deep in the tech to keep it straight.

Keep up the good work!

Does any one like to do this?

I think that we should continue into the gas quality research and not the quantity.
Electrolysis stays electrolysis.
HV systems like Meyer describes have not been seen working, as far as i know....

Steve , I actually thought about this and wondered if it could work. It is a Boyce G board I want to use. This board is able to reach a wide range of freq. and duty cycles. The  IRP540Z fets switch fast and sharp. It is already optoisolated. Its only downfall is a duty cycle over 35 - 40 % on time will heat up the fets and burn them up. No schematics are available for the G board, but a detail view of the board itself, top and bottom can be viewed at the Hydrogen Garage site. You might swap out the fets and isolate the input from the rest of the board but that might be beyond what I know how to do.

Hi Nickranger,

I had a look for you on the Boyce schematics.

Please read what the current wire description is:

TB2 has 3 connections as follows;

Output 1 is connected to the cold side of primary 1.
Output 2 is connected to the cold side of primary 2.
Output 3 is connected to the cold side of primary 3.

The hot sides of primaries 1, 2, and 3 are brought together, and connected to
the 13.8 VDC power supply positive connection via heavy guage wire, through a 20 Amp fuse or DC circuit breaker, the contacts of a heavy duty (20 Amp or more rated) power switching relay, and a heavy duty choke.

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My comments:
If you use the IRF540Z mosfets, then you can go up to max 100V.
A 1000V with same specs for amps like the irf540, is difficult. Options are possible within the IRF range mosfets, like the IRF840 (500V by 8 amps)
or the FQA8N100C which does 1000V by 8 amps.
All can be put into your BB board.

Now, in stead of connecting the hot sides of primaries 1,2,3 to the 13,8v powersupply, you hook them up to the 1000V powersupply. Just make sure that the negative of that 1000V powersupply is also connected to J3 pin 1.

Thats all.

Steve

http://hydrogengarage.com/pwm3g/pwm3g.htm

Im getting closer to what i want to do finally....  this signal is comeing out of a 555 into a small audio transformer and into a MOSFET  and this waveform is the result of that... now i have to get that into an AC waveform...I cant believe how perfect this part of the waveform is after sveral weeks of tinkering My major problem is getting an undistorted AC current waveform of this type :/ may take me years.....i thinl wat i may try to do is get the down slope to oscillate...notsure yet.

Have you ever tried a transformer with two input coils?

Yes Bob`s boards are opto-isolated. I have them all but the hex controller. Problem is they output about 12vdc. I want to pulse 200+ vdc, 5amps at around 42,000khz.

Dear Nick,

I think i can help here with your 12v output issue.
In stead of hooking the end fets up to the 12v powersupply, you can choose to hook them up to another powersupply with higher voltage range. Make sure that your fets can handle the higher voltage and that the negatives of all powersupplys are connected with each other.

If you have a drawing of your current setup, then please mail or post it here, so i can make adjustments to it, if you like.

Best regards
Steve

Yeh. That was fun.
3000 rpm it went on 1.5kw of outlet power in the cell....

Can someone tell me why the attachments seem to be unviewable for me? The pic in the post is so tiny and when I click the link I get a 404 error...Am I not doing something right here? I was reading a stanley meyer thread and cant view the attatchments.....help please??

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