nothing concrete, I wanted to investigate a hunch or at least prove to myself what happens when the polarity at the plates changes.
Even four solidstate relay pucks from ebay cheap would show me somehting that perhaps I hadn't seen before.
I wonder how hard I could push it.. slow fire, rapid, timed? maybe a pause between the crossover action, who knows?
the idea of the whole thing acting as a positive charge collector (water and arcylic) with electrode pulses of the same polarity hitting opposite plates is interesting as well... maybe there is a push or repellent effect at that point causing stress at the molecular level, that would change things up a bit from the standard pulse routine
I was about to to try fets on the positve side and even bought some but got caught up in this iron wire idea. I just wound another flyback to see if it was just a fluke or I was imagining things. The one on the right side is new and beats the first one!! What do you mean by demping stuff inside? What 2n3055 circuit do you recommend I wire up? I'm guesing I just pulse it off the existing mosfet driver anyway, correct?
Also, mosfets do matter, of the 1/2 dozen I have on hand they give me a range of 300v ptp to 700v ptp, except the irfbc40, which produces the 2.6kv, I've favored this mosfet for some time now, it is worth looking into the datasheet to see the difference it has, and nicely, they are cheap on ebay, about 50 cents each
Steve, The flyback core two Cs are removed from the winding housing and seperated. I wind a single layer iron wire around a thin plastic tube about an inch and half long just enough to fit in when I put the two flyback Cs back together. Over the single layer primary I then wind on a copper secondary which is done by winding a 1/4 " high hump about 1/4" wide and then another next to it and then another until the end which is about seven or so humps next to each other, a lazy man's tricoil like approach with no seperator bobbins.. yep it is connected to my three inch cell. kb
The flyback core idea I tried last week. They pop out nicely fromn old pc monitors and with two sections are easy to insert in a plastic tube. I used iron wire single layer primary under a 30 gauge seven layer jumble secondary. Today while at home I'm winding a single layer iron wire 8XA on a four inch iron powder store bought toroid. I'll be trying to see the inverted waveforms with neg and pos sides that Tony mentions. we'll see
Spin, It's all experimental. My hybrid rod vic works and makes gas. ...now, for example, I added three iron wire spiral chokes in series to the negative side with an iron powder epoxy core and it bumped up to 2.2kv at 12v with 10ma. I'll be trying the same rod type set up with an iron wire secondary soon enough and let ya know, dude. The iron wire has an effect with many fewer turns and length of wire used compared to copper, that is well proven to my satisfaction. Looks like I'll be using the hv probe from here. kb
Andy Here's a vic I wound last night watching football. 8mm ferrite rod 8 inches long. Top third single layer iron wire choke, middle third single layer iron wire primary, bottom third single layer iron wire choke. Secondary single layer complete rod length in red 28 gauge copper. Works OK for gas, when run up to 50v in it stays at 80ma, probably needs more iron wire for chokes to further reduce amps. 12v in, 30ma at tube, 750v ptp at 10khz. The iron wire experiments continue. Ferrite core is the way to go. kb
T & S & W I was able to get up way over 2kv with a new core material. My iron filing epoxy cores limited me to 1500v at 50v in at .5a in. I've had wires wrong before once and seen the amp meter go backwards below zero, LOL. I took an old 110/220 step up tranny and tore the wires (look like aluminum) apart and soaked it in alcohol to loosen the shellack between the EI laminate strips. They came apart nicely. I cut out the wide center post strips and made a nice rectangular core much like meyers. I reschellacked the strips, assembled it inside the four coils and am testing now. Sure wish I had a clue what "tuning into the dielectric of water" means. The iron wire came. I was almost 85% done with a tight close perfect wind and it slipped in my hand and unwound like a spring. This is not as easy as winding copper that's for certain. Finger nails with grooves in them still hurt today. kb
Tony, danka, wanted to be sure I'll try to find some M27 material to work with. Thanks for the tip from meyer's writings. I've got some 28ga 1000' rolls to play with now.
Tony If I may ask a question or two. Are your scope shots done with the two probes at the positive and negative plates so to speak? Is your vic transformer wired and set up exactly like meyer's drawing of the four coils? Or is it done with the 8XA coil? I'd like to duplicate your inversed phase situation. I've been trying various core materials and have found iron rebar rods for concrete works best so far. Thin strips of magnetic laminate steel are currently under testing. I've been able to turn some steel bolts into nice permanent magnets after a short time. Spintronic, What are you trying for vic core materials? Regards,
I did not delete any posts. I thanked you for the wire source. okay dokay, the twisty wire vic worked for the purpose of the experiment that was intended when I wound it.
Steve, I think it is still simple electrolysis. 8XA with iron wire. My vic transformer make nice voltage peaks and limits current almost to zero yet makes no gas. The iron wire experiments continue... here's a question... when meyer's diagram of five pulses on and an off gap is viewed, what does it show? is it five individual pulses from a pwm or is it five resonant "bulbs" from a resonant frequency situation as seen on the oscope? kb
all, I had been playing with some iron wire vics a ways back and was wondering how you guys keep em cool and not smoking the place up? This info may have me return to the ideas I had using iron wire. I'd like to find some teflon coated stuff. I'm playing around, for observation's sake, with some soft iron twisty stuff that is paper coated and I coat that with varnish prior to wrapping a core....