Bubz

Quote from: sebosfato on October 20, 2011, 19:22:34 pm

I thought meyer was using corona discharge in this diagram...

Fabio,
Test corona discharge in water and see what appear after few minutes to your transformer..

A ballast, gear, choke, what ever you want to call it, will solve that problem.

A goldmine of info! That picture Steve posted above is priceless too! Don't you think? Thank you Steve! I especially like the ion canon pdf.

A cool video demonstrating the idea...

I think I can help with this a little bit... First, I would like to ask a question. How do you step charge a capacitor? For example, I have a 400V capacitor and a 12V power source AC or DC. How can I charge the capacitor to the 400V with only a 12V source?

Give up? A 'Charge Pump"!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_pump

A charge pump is what Stan used with his VIC's. It works much better with the chokes than without. A super easy experiment with a battery, diode, and high voltage capacitor can show this step charge effect using a simple multimeter to measure. You will see the voltage rise with each pulse of power to the cap through a diode. Or, use some chokes and see the same effect. It's all in the capacitance...

I purpose a simple experiment to help explain what I mean when I talk about a capacitive resistive ground. I can maybe upload pics later today. The experiment requires a high voltage source, and a burnt out light bulb. In my personal setup, I use a plasma ball circuit and a burnt 12V bulb. I am able to carefully touch the bulb to the out put wire of the circuit which is about 10Kv and see an array of sparks from the anode to the glass, much like the plasma globe itself. This demonstrates the "capacitive resistive effect" the glass and I add to the circuit. Me touching the glass of the bulb, makes the glass of the bulb itself the negative plate in the circuit. Notice no measurable current is drawn from ground. So where does the arcing come from? Ionization of the medium in the bulb? The glass?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ca9NOkBT4U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5HJsCyN2d8&feature=related

i understand that steve.. so lets say we have distilled water in a fuel cell... the two holes  are filled correct since we do have water and not gas..   this means atomicaly the only way for electrons to get through the water is how?

these words in quote are stans words from his own mouth on one of his videos

"waters has 8 electrons in oxygens  L orbit when it is water..   L orbit has a capacity of 8 electrons.. it dont want anymore electron nor does it want to exchange electrons.. which means it opposes the movement of electrons 78.54 greater then air"

when stan says "movement of electron" what does he mean? does he mean the force of moving an electron out of orbit L?... 
"nor does it want to exchange" is another key term defining the resistance hes tuning to..

The holes you are referring to are the ions present in the water in the form of salts and such. The ions accept the electron from the cathode making the ion net negative and will also have an attraction the the positive plate. When the ion touches the positive plate it gives up the charge(electron) it took from the cathode.

Remember, dielectric values are based on pure substance which water almost never is even close to pure.  Also, a dielectric value is based upon a medium with little or no ionic content. Since ions are natural charge carriers, the presence of them in water make the conductivity overcome any dielectric resistance. So using the basis of 78.XX ohms as an arbitrary point of measurement is mute, that number will not calculate with your real results.

Electrolysis is by far the opposite of ionization. What I see many do is try to put them in the same comparative group. What should be realized is the current in electrolysis is to be the process we do not want to happen. We want liquid to gas ionization with normal tap water or any available water. But all available water has a good amount of ionic content forcing us to find a solution allowing us to attain high voltages without letting the ions take electrons from the cathode. Hence the need for chokes or a capacitive/resistive ground. Think of it this way... The ground is a vast sea of free electrons. If we charge a plate positively, the electrons from the ground will be attracted to it, depending upon the voltage level and the space between the positive plate and the ground. What we are trying to achieve is keeping the free electrons from leaving ground by means of resistance and magnetism or any method that works. That allows us to raise the positive voltage to a higher potential without drawing current from ground and yet bring the positive plate as close to the ground as possible. I like to call it a "capacitive resistive ground". Now, being able to have this high differential between the plates, the medium in that space, whether it be air or water, will be polarized and or ionized from the conditions set forth. It is easily proven with an "air ionizer" experiment to demonstrate one possible method, although air has very little ionic content where as, water has quite a bit, making circuit design less of a challenge.

How much energy does it take to strip one electron from hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen? What is the most efficient means of ionizing a medium to force it to eject electrons from their orbits?

100%? That doesn't sound right. Doesn't that mean something turns to nothing? Not to be a nag or anything, but, could you give me a better description? Why is it considered "decay"?

Monkey see monkey do is a bad thing? I guess that's how I learn, is by doing. College wasn't enough for me anyway, They just teach good slave skills for the most part. Now that I think about it, I never found to much inspiration in my school days. Everyone was so close minded and creativity was almost nil. What inspires you Dankie? Did you just know all you know or did you copy something that has been understood for years already. To be creative, one must first learn all the different ways of creation before him. Monkey see, monkey do, monkey make better. Isn't that what you did with your oscillator thing with all the busted scope shots?

Dankie, you gotta get off the booze before it kills you!

Thank you Steve! I'll give it a shot!

I do not have a program to view this spreadsheet... Can you convert it to a text?

"More advanced and efficient configurations involve atomizing the  water into a fine mist before injecting them into the tube. A make-shift  version of this type utilizes a motorized air humidifier commonly found  at Wal-Mart for $15 during the winter season. A flexible, expandable hose  is connected from the humidifier to the pipe. At the molecular level, neutral streams of water are atomized by  the nozzle or humidifier into small droplets light enough to be suspended  in air. These droplets, by a well known phenomena, are ionized; when water  is split into smaller globules, charge imbalances occur."

Quoted from... http://www.montalk.net/cloudbusting/cloudbust.html

Cool Video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z2ZfYVzefs&feature=player_detailpage

And here is a tutorial for decade timers of the old days. They were replaced mostly with 555 and 556 chips. And today you don't see 555's much anymore either. Times have changed and many of the parts you will be looking for will be obsolete and replaced with newer designs and cheaper materials.

http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/counter/count_2.html

Yes, you could use any old voltage source for the 5V and 12V rail. A PC psu might just do it, might not.
The drawing for the Dual voltage regulator is just a basic design straight out of the books anyways.
(http://www.researchcell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Voltage-Regulator-Circuit-Diagram.gif)

Has a frequency been determined? We know that water efficiently adsorbs energy from infrared and microwave frequency ranges, but, are there any special frequencies we could use that are in the sound and ultrasound ranges?

So, in order to think outside the box, we first have to think inside a box?

The title of this video is misleading, but, what is really being shown is how water can be heated with a resonant cavity and without an alternating electric field.

Here is a link to a pdf I think some of you may find interesting...

In the 1993  Denver presentation, Stan indicates that energy is not being created. In a fusion device only small amounts of energy are utilized to release the tremendous amounts of energy within the nucleus. In a similar manner, relatively small amounts of energy are used to force electrons into higher energy orbitals and when  these highly energized molecules have the colvalent bonds broken, a tremendous amount of energy is ulimately released

Interesting! I bet I know of a simple experiment to prove this.! Thanks jim!