Complete beginner queston......
Started by unknown · · 14 posts · last reply 31 January 2012
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Hello All....
As a COMPLETE novice about to embark on constructing a WFC...... I have been reading the relevant material about S Meyer and WFC's. I get the physics and I am comfortable with the engineer side (Working with stainless steel, assembly, tuning etc) but my stumbling block is the electonic circuit/s used. Do I have to use the S Meyer/ D Lawton circuits or will a commercially made frequency/signal generator work? I have seen them used in various uploads but I do not want to purchase one based solely on my limited (non existent Knowledge) The cost of buying one is not a limiting factor to me at the moment.
Any help you Guys can give would be gratefully recieved.
My apologies in advance if this has been covered on numerous occasions
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Welcome,
First things first. Stan Meyer did not produce large amounts of gas by simply pulsing a frequency across the wfc. His work in producing large amounts of gas efficiently was based on complex circuitry and a great deal of knowledge.
Most of this forums users (myself included) have been working on understanding and replicating Meyer's work for a few years with no successful replications. We are getting close though.
Don't want to put your hopes down, just remember if it was simple, we would all have water powered cars.
Best place to start is the 8XA circuit. -
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you could get a $120 signal/function generator and use that instead of Stans frequency generator, the use it to pulse your power electronics and then your coils
have you read all the patents yet? its easy to spend hundreds without a clear goal...
i would also say start with 8xa, or rather start with much study -
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you could get a $120 signal/function generator and use that instead of Stans frequency generator, the use it to pulse your power electronics and then your coils
have you read all the patents yet? its easy to spend hundreds without a clear goal...
i would also say start with 8xa, or rather start with much study
Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated.
I know this is a very difficult realm of investigation, but before embarking I want to ensure that I can reproduce and measure all variables consistently and with confidence. So for me a professionally made, purpose built piece of equipment will be needed to achieve this (I know where my limitations lie) I have seen the Courtiestown Kits and Pre-assembled reproductions of D Lawtons PWM and PLL etc and after looking at the comercially avialable models the the extra cash spent now may be more cost effective long term.
I would really appreciate if you could venture your opinion on what i was looking at:
Output parameters
Period range 100ns to 10s (10MHz to 0.1Hz)
Period jitter <0.1%
Pulse width range 50ns to 5s
Pulse width jitter <0.1%
Delay range 50ns to 5s
Operation modes Run Continuous generation 0.1Hz to 10MHz
Triggered DC to 10MHz triggered pulse train
Gated 0.1Hz to 10MHz set pulse train
Pulse modes Normal 1 pulse/period
Squarewave 0.1Hz to 10MHz with mark/space ratio 1:1
Double pulse 2nd pulse generated according to delay control
Delayed pulse Pulse generated according to delay control
Outputs
50Ω output Amplitude 0.1–1V or 1–10V switchable
Rise/fall time 10ns typ.
Aux output 50Ω output at TTL/CMOS level
Sync output Amplitude Positive going pulse at TTL/CMOS level
Timing Leading edge starts >20ns before output transition
Duration 30ns typ.
Complement switch Inverts AUX and 50Ω outputs
Inputs
Gate/trig input Frequency range DC – 10MHz
Signal range TTl threshold: max. input ±10V
Min. pulse width >30ns
Input impedance 10kΩ typ.
General
AC Input 115 or 230V AC 50/60Hz
Dimensions L x W x H (mm) 230 x 220 x 140
Weight (kg) 1.6
Operating temperature +5°C to +40°C @20-80% RH
Storage temperature -40°C to +70°C
Will this do the job???
Im looking at this as a long term project and hope to be working and sharing with all the members here.
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the VIC coil used with the submerged tubeset is tuned to the length of the tube, its a waveguide of sorts, as well as tracking the resonant frequency of the choke coils when varying amounts of gasses are produced from the submerged tube. each of the tubesets has its own vic coil. the water capacitor, the variable resonance, the tracking components, the gated signal that allows the hydrogen to pair up with opposite spin into diatomic hydrogen, allowing release of gasses, the scanning circuit that constantly tracks and locks the correct frequency based on the lowest possible current and highest possible voltage for a given primary voltage and secondary voltage, the blocking diode that prevents an ac sine wave to be reflected from the secondary into the chokes...all of this is a tuned, complete system. According to Steve Meyer, ( i spoke with him on the phone last week) you cannot separate any of the components from the complete system to test functionality because they all work together as a whole.. by the way he said that his circuits have a copyright for 75 years... and that people have stolen things from off of his desk when his back was turned..such as a video tape...etc.
He said that my idea to release the technology anonymously to the world once we figure it out was a disservice to the families of those who worked so hard for so long and invested so much time and money into the project...I replied that unless we forward the whole system in its final form to thousands of people at once, the oil cartels will continue to step on the neck of anyone who tries to corner the market for profit...this technology MUST be open sourced or we will never have energy independence!!!
... it was an honor to speak with him, he's about 79 years old now..a very gracious man on the phone.
BTW he says that it only takes 11 volts to remove an electron from a hydrogen........ -
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He said that my idea to release the technology anonymously to the world once we figure it out was a disservice to the families of those who worked so hard for so long and invested so much time and money into the project...I replied that unless we forward the whole system in its final form to thousands of people at once, the oil cartels will continue to step on the neck of anyone who tries to corner the market for profit...this technology MUST be open sourced or we will never have energy independence!!!... it was an honor to speak with him, he's about 79 years old now..a very gracious man on the phone.
BTW he says that it only takes 11 volts to remove an electron from a hydrogen........
am observing the development of the " war " (false flag?) on iran and the oil embargo/restrictions being in place by this july.
doesnt take much of a oil price rise for that to seep right through the economy, from transport to food.........
hence I agree with the idea of open source...
what is the price to pay to all people who have in any form have worked on the idea so that it comes about to a practically applied use.?
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#7 ·
did you call his house or his office
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#8 ·
Patents protect the function and process, copyrights protect the design layout...many, if not all, of Stan's patents have expired. There are many ways of getting around these copyrights. If you just change one aspect of the system, then you aren't violating the copyrights ;-) -
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"the gated signal that allows the hydrogen to pair up with opposite spin into diatomic hydrogen, allowing release of gasses"
Thats an interesting statement. -
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Newguy,
Stan states the same thing in the tech brief (just worded differently)
I'll find it later and post the reference. -
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did you call his house or his office
i believe it was his home because his wife answered the first time saying to call back after 6pm
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#12 · date not recorded
ok this is my theory on the purpose of the Gate pulse. When you have the depletion layer form on both electrodes, it will get larger and larger as the voltage increases. At some point the voltage will make the depletion layer large enough that the two will meet and cause a bridge between the two electrodes. This will cause a dead short condition and current will flow and voltage will drop and you will have a loss of resonance. So this is where the gate comes into play, it limits the depletion layer from getting too big and causing the bridge between the two electrodes.
The B+ & B- depletion layers causes a pulling force on the molecule and the stripping of the electrons and when the gates switch off, the atoms will link back up as diatomic hydrogen. -
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THE ELECTRICITY MAP: "Static" Electricity versus "Current" Electricity
http://amasci.com/miscon/ele-map.html
Look left bottom in figure CURRENT vs VOLTAGE: "molecular bondings (<<100nA and <<10V)"
The Electrostatic Charge of a Capacitor
http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/ViewObject.aspx?ID=ACE11805
"STATIC ELECTRICITY" MISCONCEPTIONS
http://amasci.com/emotor/stmiscon.html
"CAPACITOR COMPLAINTS"
http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html
HOW ARE WATTS, OHMS, AMPS, AND VOLTS RELATED?
http://amasci.com/elect/vwatt1.html
Br,
Webmug -
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NewguyQuote"the gated signal that allows the hydrogen to pair up with opposite spin into diatomic hydrogen, allowing release of gasses"
Here is the Tech Brief reference to the statement you said Steve Meyer made:
Tech Brief page 1-7
"The liberated and moving atoms (having missing electrons) regain or capture the free floating electrons once applied voltage is switched off during pulsing operations. The liberated and electrically stabilized atom having a net electrical charge of "zero" exit the water bath for hdrogen gas utilization."
It would be cool if we could take a high speed camera and synchronize it with the cell's pulsing to see if gas is only released during the gating off time!
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