ali

PCB Express was used to create this circuit, taken from stan's vic cards and schematics, verified components, changed the IC power filtering caps to 100pf and added a selector switch to the two electrolytic caps for the scanning circuit to get different scan rates ( Unsure if the original cap was 1uf or 10 uf)

so this should give us a good starting point with the custom u core VIC coil using 29 ga wire and testing on a single tube set 3 " long covered in delrin

let me know what you think, ive tested many sections of this schematic in multisim, made a few simplifications like no safety circuit, no figure 2 for variable voltage pulse width and no input from figure2 for injector timing...you will need filtered 12 vdc and the schematic may need additional 5 volt regulators depending on current draw for the chips that use 5 volts.

Quote from: HMS-776 on February 06, 2012, 01:28:21 am

Can you give us a page reference to this?

I don't recall reading about it.

Its on top of the wfc.
First picture of wfc with resonant cavitys, epg, etc.
At the beginning of the doc.
(sitting now in the train and cannot download the doc...)

the sales breif is designed to show the possible configurations, figure B simply heats a medium to heat a home and reclaim the burnt product of water for re use
i dont hink he was heating HHO gases, maybe nitrogen or some other inert, safe gas for distribution in a home to various heating coils to heat the ambient air...

From the measurements I have taken I have determined the core used on the buggy steam resonator is an E65 Ferrite core, not sure which type of ferrite yet. The primary wire is 18AWG, while the secondary coils are 22AWG.

The high watt resistors suggest that there is not a whole lot of power used in this circuit, maybe 5 or 10W. I'm not sure of the watt rating of those resistors but if they are 5W then the max current at 80V would be about 62mA. If they are 10W resistors then we are looking at 125mA.

Looking at the PNP and NPN transistor configuration I can't help but wonder why Meyer didn't just use a push pull driver on the primary coil to achieve the polarity switching?

were those push pulls available in the early 80's?

Above you'll see the bridge rectifier circled in red, made of individual diodes.
I'm still not sure what purpose it serves through...The input to the rectifier is 24VAC...

HI
This bridge is the part of the power source for driving circuit of steam resonator for home heating. In the dune buggy power source is 12 V from accumulator. ( so bridge is for other purpose )
andy

The home heating unit assumes a power supply, a common 120 vac to 24 vac wall plug, after rectifying we get 12 volts pulsing DC for the circuit board

remember the zero point energy comes from the INSTANT OFF condition of the signal, components with millisecond rise and fall times are worthless, we need nanosecond response times...very sharp on and off spikes

another point to remember: a sine wave allows the water molecule to flip slowly as it changes phase 180 degrees, but a sharp square wave will SNAP the molecules 180 degrees, thats where the most efficient heating will be found


the resonance is for the inductive / capacitive characteristics of the chokes, each choke has its resonant frequency that restricts amps to a minimum amount of current but allows voltage to pass

the steam resonator is NOT for producing hydrogen... we DO NOT want to separate the water molecule at this point... and also remember that the resonant chamber was placed inside the water tank, so if you heat the water tank the resonant cavity will also be heated... the need for a steam resonator in the resonant cavity is eliminated.

I've already gotten the 8XA setup to work. I just haven't gotten the VIC circuit to react the same way yet. Back in early January 2011, I got the cell to charge to over 800 volts with 12 volts input @ less than 20mA. It looks like what has to take place is the voltage to the transformer has to be slowly increased from low voltage to its max voltage. This allows a depletion layer to form on the plates, much like a diode/transistor. If you through 12v straight to the transformer it wont allow a depletion layer to form and it will cause a dead short condition. When this depletion layer forms, it blocks current and allows the voltage to build.

there is a post somewhere where a guy says he gets much more gas output when the tubes were first electropolished. The water didnt develop any brown gunk that way... so if the high voltage electropolishing was used to deplete the iron from the surface of the plates so that all that was left was the chromium present in the stainless 316L this would prevent leechoing of the iron into the water...but it also helps with the amp restriction as a barrier like in a transistor at the junction... if you over voltage the electro polishing then you deplete the chromium in the stainless and get to the next layer of iron and in this way you will have no electrodes left... theres a voltage / current limit when electropolishing the waveguides.... we want the end result to be a 98% pure chromium surface...

Presumably, in the VIC the choke is designed in such a way so as to completely limit current only to the point that the current doesn't pass the choke.  However, since the voltage is leading the current by 90*, the voltage still does leave the choke, even though the current does not.  There must be a zone where if the impedance of a choke is too high that the voltage does not pass or too low that current still does.  Is this the probable reason for the choke on the negative side (the current source) being variable?

TS

the original design was two separate chokes and they could not be wound identically as relates to resonant frequency being the same for both, thats why there is a variance on one of them, to match the other.

later design has them wound together, bifilar, at the same time...etc. so the resonant frequency matches exactly

the purpose of the choke is to hit it with its inductive capacative resonant frequency in a fashion as to restrict amps and produce maximum voltage potential across the water fuel gap

its all about the resonant frequency of the choke !!!!!! thats what restricts amps on each side

IS it possible hat the square pc board on the right side of the vic coil cards in the control unit was designed t rotate the signals to each cell in a specific pattern to limit the power used..i mean when cell 1 was pulsing high cell 2 is halfway and cell 3 is just beginning , i find it interesting that there are a few 741 op amps 2wo plls and some gates...anyone have a clue to what that card is doing with all the other vic cards?

Quote from: TonyWoodside on February 06, 2012, 12:32:33 pm

across an actual capacitor based on the calculated value of the cell's capacitance. Still working on getting a resonant cavity made.

you mean ten 3" tubes in series with a calculated cpacitance of around 877nF ?

I asked Steve Meyer about that very issue, the series connected cells...he replied "there were many different configurations being tried, that just happens to be one of them..."

dont forget the resistive element custom made on the negative side of the wfc...

maybe a huge wattage 10 megohm pot would be a start

I dont think so, Ali.
There was one vic for each tubeset.

But dont let this stop you from trying things out.
Nobody has the answers at the moment.

Steve

according to the photo from dynodon, all the tube sets were connected in series with only two wires coming off the bottom of the resonant chamber to connect to the VIC

maybe that was a test version by stan that is misleading or not...

also dynodon has a spreadsheet that shows the wire sizes for the u-core VIC as all being 29 gauge... and the turns for each coil based on wire resistance and inductance calculations comes out ( with a primary turns of 309) to a 7 to 1 or a 20 to 1 step up transformer depending on how the polarity of the chokes is connected... at 12 volts in we get 84 volts or 240 volts at the tube set.

so im trying to understand how stan was able to get 1500 to 2000 volts

if we series connect the vics we get roughly 9 vics x 85 = 765 or  9 x 240 = = 2160 depending again on the coil polarities and connections...
food for thought...

remember that figure 2 extra input on the VIC card... that extra OP AMP that we found that wasnt on the patent diagrams... maybe that is a common gating signal for the series connected VIC coils?
 

CORRECTION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i did some looking and calculations on the actual VIC primary and its got about 741 turns
 
 now if each choke and the secondary can only hold close to 4000 turns each due to space limitations
 then 12000 / 741 = 16.2 turns ratio
 
 this would only give 194 volts output at 12 volts input... apparently the 1500 volts stan speaks of MUST be due to step charging
 
 5 cycles per capacitor charge = 194 x 5   = 970 volts??
 
 what gives??

It seems the secondary and chokes are configured as series connected and are all the same polarity

Is this true


Therefore the step up ratio required at 12 volts on the primary is 150 to 1 to get 1800 volts at the output

therefore if the primary has 100 turns the three coils must total 15000 turns

so that means each coil must have 5000 turns of wire


does this sound close to stans design parameters Dynodon???

Also Don, were the values in the excel sheet based on an actual VIC coil you measured or are these values from one of your replications?

Thanks

Anyone have a clue about this?

continue line down below the question mark and connect to pin 14 of 4001 to the right
(maybe)...

Sorry, I just have the original patent diagram without values.
I'm still working on that one, and would also be interested in values myself 

some more info to play with

how bout at ther voltage ampltude control circuit...  is its values floatin round somewer?

try this one... not sure but its a start

HMS,
 
 Here is what I have, I am unsure if it is the final version or not...
I have just begun construction - parts are enroute.
 (Diagram originally from Tony)

Actually i was the original author of that one...

Hi ali,
can you please post the file in multisim version 10 format ?
 
hm

Dont have the capability as im using the evaluation version, student edition ms11
sorry

I've edited your schematic and added the pin numbers.

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/stanmeyer/wo92-6.jpg)

SN74123 would work because pins 1&2 are connected only one "A" input is required and pins 3&4 would be the single "B" input and pin 9 internal resistor is not used here so 74122 is not as good as 74123...

Eccelent general explanation, tony.
Yesterday I had some time to examin the circuit board pictures.
 
1/ What I`v noticed as Dynadon pointed out was that there is another 741 connected in parallel with the A25(741) of fig4. however still there is no extra connection for the input of the extra opamp!( extra J input if you like). pin 3 seems to be connected to a 47k  and then to Vdd.
 
2/ fig7 4017 dividers are not connected ok, but how and were pll pin 4 is connected to pin 5 I cannot locate. were is it?
 
HM

here is a circuit to work with for the VIC CARD for multisim 11, many of the traces have been figured out but not 100% yet
please contribute and re-post !
thanks