ali

Here are some work intensive photo edits of where i think the traces go on the VIC Card
frontplane is blue, backplane is red

start by tracing power routing to every chip to verify.

also seems to me that pin 3 of the pll goes to the 10k resistor called point "G", the input of figure 5.
(because pin 4 of PLL- VCO signal out, goes to pin 14 of 4017, pin 14 is the clock input and i would suspect that according to the photo and according to the figure 7 schematic this would be true)

Basically signal goes out on pin 4 and comes back on pin 3 so if you switch in one of the 4017s the frequency is divided and comes back from pin12 carry to pin 3 pll and at this point goes to point "G"

if pll pin 4 went to point "G" the 4017 dividers wouldnt work...

also here is the multisim simulation for figures 3, 4 voltage circuit... still have to test it in the real world but its updated based on the VIC CARD revelations...

I guess im Number 10!

paypal sounds fine for the DVD

any guarantees on the media functionality?
or if it gets broken in transit?

Here is Figure 8. Resonant Scanning Circuit verified by the actual Stan Meyer Vic Card Photo

There seems to be some question on the actual value of the Capacitor between pin 6/2 and ground on the 555 timer.
it could be 10u or 1.0u...Don has stated that it is a 10u

maybe build it with a mini selector switch on the PCB and have both for different scan rates

The purpose of this part of the circuit is to provide the 4046 PLL chip with a variable voltage on pin 9 for a lock signal to be scanned for by the pll VCO

the measured range of voltages can be determined with a virtual voltmeter on the manual adjustment / resistor divider network by placing the Manual / Auto switch in Manual setting, because the VIC CARD photo gives us the resistor values that he used and we also know the POT was a 50k ohm

Viola ! we then know the VCO parameters he needed by inference from the manual adjustment section...

We Can Do IT !

I`v built fig12 and fig6 on breadboard, and noticed that at the output from A26(74122) duty cycle is not fully variable, it varies in steps. Is that as it should be ?
I attached the waveforms i`m having at some points of the circuits

HM

the very last 20 seconds of your video shows the correct action of the duty cycle of the gated signal.....this gated signal will be overlaid or superimposed on top of the pll output so that the pll frequency (whatever that ends up being, based on what kind of water you use) will only show up under the square waveform but not on top of it
The gate signal blocks out a percentage of it per cycle
(you may already have guessed that, but im stating it here for beginners)
looks good... nice sharp corners, clean signal

if you dont use signal K or the safety circuit (figure 11), you can leave out the extra parts between the 74122 and output "A"

Thats a darlington pair configuration of BJT's

so a single Darlington Pair part should do the trick
make sure the datasheet indicates the corrcet maximum switching speed and the base current is double what is required as well as the load current through the emitter / collector...etc.

Starting off with a SUBCIRCUIT for a 4046 PLL

OK we can post circuits that work better or that use parts with the same exact functionality as what stan meyers intended in his schematics.
For example... cd40163be counter binary synchronous used in figure 2 to set the timing for the cd4067 multiplexer chip is no longer available
obsolete... so use cd40161be, same functionality when wired ( tie pins 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 & 10 to VCC) pin 8 is zero volts 11,12,13,14 are ABCD respectively

Stans original Figure 2 circuit was designed with optoschmitt redundancy built in, so he used 2 mux chips...if we wire it correctly we only need one MUX chip

posting figure 2 circuit further down...soon

here is a 4046 subcircuit i developed just for Stan Meyer experimenters...Enjoy...

( open the file and look at the tab below, it will open an additional page with the subcircuit for the 4046 part i created)
using a data sheet and basic components we can create just about any part we wish, using existing parts and models.... these are known as Subcircuits...
simply search the help files and follow the directions
The actual graphic on the first page links to the parts on the second page via global connectors... or something similar, i forget its been a while since i made this subcircuit...

I think you have to keep the 4046 subcircuit files in the same folder as the rest of your circuit and copy it when you move the simulation as well...if you ever want to move to a faster desktop system

Quote from: Dynodon on March 26, 2011, 15:11:20 pm

Shark,there are no current spikes when in resonance.As dudleyengineering stated above thats it in a nutshell.Remember we are restricting current,if there's spikes,than there's a shorting in the cell.Not Good.
 
High voltage on the water alone will NOT break the waters bond,you need to get the water molecule to resonate with the gating frequency in order to pull the water apart.
 
Go to my other post on gating
Don

It would be very interesting to know a gating frequency as per resonate frequency  as Stan examples (.5 hz gating /5khz resonate frequency) That confuses me as he says that will provide 2500 discreet pulses per hz, I want to think that it should say discreet pulses per .5 hz...  for some reason that part isnt sinking in to me.

The gating frequency will be manually adjusted to match the specific gap between a set of electrodes, this is design variable, the PLL must be a follower of the "electrical resonance" of your specific VIC Coil and WFC combined as a tank circuit for electrical resonance to keep chasing the ever changing capacitance as the gas is produced

The gating frequency is adjusted based on mechanical seperation or distance between tubular electrodes (gap) and this, once designed will never change therefore the gating, once adjusted will never change...


@ DON:
do all the coils (primary, sec, choke1, choke2 ) have to resonate at the same frequency for efficient transfer of energy?
Are all the inductances the same?

Just forget about the last C circuit

Ali, all the circuit boards are labeled with the K1-K21
Don

PS
figure 7 refers to K22 which is Figure 8...

Circuit K1=   Figure 11 - Safety Control Circuit                            (L9)
Circuit K2=   Figure 12 - Variable Pulse Frequency Generator     (L1)
Circuit K3=   Figure 6   - Gated Pulse Frequency Generator        (L4)
Circuit K4=   Figure 5   - Cell Driver Circuit                                  (L12)
Circuit K5=   VIC CARD -  Voltage Intensifier Circuit                    (L12)
Circuit K6=   ?
Circuit K7=                   - Laser Accelerator (only)                        (L10)
Circuit K8=   Figure 3   - Analog Voltage Generator                     (L11)
Cirucit K9=   Figure 4   - Voltage Amplitude Control                     (L12)
Circuit K10=                 - Injector Circuit                                       (L3)
Circuit K11= Figure 2   - Digital Control Means  (Accel)                 (L5)
Cirucit K12=                 - Laser Distributor (only)                           (L8)
Circuit K13=                 - Gas Injector Circuit                                 (L3)
Circuit K14= Figure 9   - Pulse Indicator Circuit (pulse pickup)      (L12)
Circuit K15=                 - Gated Frequency Oscillator                     (L7)
Circuit K16=                 - Dual Regulated Power Supply                 (L6)
Circuit K17= ?
Circuit K18= ?
Circuit K19=                 - Exhaust & Air Gate Control Circuits
Circuit K20=                 - Summing Circuits
Circuit K21= Figure 7   - Phase Lock Loop Circuit                           (L12)
Circuit K22= Figure 8   - Resonant Scanning Circuit                         (L12)
 
 

K11 is G into figure 2 Digital Control Means
K10 is Q into Water Injector Circuit,not shown in schematics
K3 is B into figure 6 Gate Pulse Frequency Generator
The second K3 is actually K21 which is C into figure 7 Phase Lock Loop
 
Don

where exactly is k21 ?

don please post a schematic... i dont see it on figure 7
thanks

the only connections are:
 A, E, F, G, H, L

in the Hydrogen Gas gun, do you know where the primary is? we see two coils at the bottom and one at the top. Any guess on the wire gage?

The coils at the bottom and the top were there to create a magnetic field that would increase the speed of the ejected electrons through the cavity and get them more quickly to the extraction grid at the output to make sure the electrons were extracted before they fell back to their ground state in the atomic orbits

the patent and video speaks of electromagnetic waves,  those are the coils that provide electron acceleration once the electrons are free from n=infinity in the ionization energy scheme.

Bubz thats great information.
Lets find a example for a basic test in a garage test environment.
I take it since the ionizer will use its own EHD or MHD effect so particles build up and circulate in a vicinity of near proximety unless other air currents would move them further. 
But what of the oxidizing process, in this most basic form of ionizing air?

Lets consider a few test situations.
Auto intake, installed in the airfilter sounds good but what of the mass air-flow sensor right after the intake does it suffer oxidations and ruin the sensor?
Older auto without sensors, in air filter above carburator, what happens to the carburator body over time?
Do we mix hydroxyl with it?
Will hydroxyl ignite if going past corona discharges, if so it must be installed after ionizer electrodes.?
Other applications would be a weld torch, cooking burner, furnace heater, etc.

What are the effects of oxidation to surrounding metal parts?
Once this is figured is there a line of too much or too little ozone to create the proper effect, so a controlled output may be in order.
By looking at Meyers drawings of the patents or memo's you see this process being used completely throughout the whole automobile.

In order to start what would you suggest as to the most basic form of electrode and maybe how to create a control for the process.
From reading other patents there is a point of too much, how can we determine whats too much ozone?

Just trying to see what you got in mind for applying and controlling the process maybe in just a test apparatus.   

In case anyone needs a link to see Tesla patent:

just a note... the electron extraction process where electrons are consumed prevents the formation of Ozone...

Ali, the frequency generator circuit (fig 12) is the same as the 8XA thats already posted somewhere on this site.The chips are 7490 and not 4017.
Don

@Don: ...Didnt you say somewhere that the 4017 would make a 50% duty cycle out of a trigger signal?

the output of the 555 is more of a spike on fig 12 than a 50%duty cycle...I know that once the divide by 10 chip gets that spike it converts it to a 50% duty cycle but can this be done elsewhere with a 4017?

I tried combining the outputs of a 4017 all even numbered and made a frequency divider but had to use 1n4148 diodes or it wouldnt simulate...and there is quite a voltage drop with those...

@Tony: can you please explain if your gated fig 6 with the 74122 used NOR chips or XNOR, etc...?

thanks guys

P.S. does anyone have a clue where the EEC circuit was located on the buggy to extract the electrons from the ambient air in the gas processor? or a good parts list for the EEC circuit?

Don or anyone, do you have the pinout connections for figure 12 on the 4017 chips?

Just want to let everyone know that this circuit doesn't work. I built it today and couldn't get anything at the at the output, not sure what the issue is with this circuit.

research truth tables for XOR, NOR ( in stans fig 6) and XNOR

I think we need XNOR logic to make the signal get through to the 74122

Was that the chip you used when you built the non functional circuit?

I think the patent drawing was drawn wrong on those logic ICs, the only time a NOR gate allows a signal high is when all inputs are LOW and this cant happen with VDD on each of the pins continuously !

 
ok but its not changing the frequency the only thing its doing ..well i dare say the only thing but ......  wat its not doing is changing the frequency.What its doing is timing how often the frequency goes thru.(duty cycle of the frequency)Im very currious how the cell driver circuit effects the pulse from this gated signal but I would almost bet it just amplifies it so the the primary dont burn up the circut...  but i really cant wait to see a waveform from this circut to me it looks just like his drawing... thing is his drawing looks like a regular square wave untill youve played with this circuit for some reason you have to usually slide the pot a lil bit to get the sim to start sometimes  ....

try this circuit....works better in the sim
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg19749#msg19749

Howdy just got in from work ...I have a multism 11 started if someone wants to play with it.. Im just able to get some pulses out of and im sure Ive got some errors.The 122 option isnt available with the sim so ive been tring the 123.The part i dont understand is connections M1 and B.
 
I stuck the tecktronix scope on it and tried to measure the frequency... weird .....  hope somebody will check it out.Ehh im probably wrong but it looks like the gate is providing the "hit"  lol  I dont know  but will somebody tell me wer the M1 and B connections come from?

M1 is from figure 2 of stan meyers control circuits patent its a variable width pulse based on the position of the gas pedal, controlled by a sliding metal shuttle or window between a row of LED's and Photosensors. the 16 inputs to a multiplexor are variable and that translates to a 10% thru 90% pulse width

This pulse width does 2 things, one: it controls the Positive side voltage using figures 3 & 4 to the primary of the VIC coil
and
two: it controls the number of gated PLL signals.

( there is a gate anded with the PLL... fig 6 and fig 7... these then are supervised by figure 2 for final throttle speed or GAS PRODUCTION by using a PWM level to control output

B: is probably used to calibrate the figure 6 for mechanical resonance ( using a 50% duty cycle signal that is fixed from figure 12)  then switched to M1 for running normal operation via throttle pedal control

Tony, vee is usually a negative value if you go by the definition.In figure 5 vee was +12 volts.When Stan used 10 volts anywhere he labeled it that way as you pointed out.VEE in figure 6 just powers the ligh,no big deal there.I don't have an image for this schematic.
 
Ali,the signal coming into firgure 6 is from the Digital Control Means when in auto mode,and the Variable Pulse Frequency Generator when on manual.When in manual mode it will be a square wave 50% duty cycle signal.I have no idea why it won't work in your simulator, don't have alot of faith in them when it comes to Stans work.
 
The schematic is correct,it's how it was on the board.Tony pointed out a wrong value for one of the resistors in the schematic I posted,did you make that adjustment to you sim?
 
Don

when i was able to massage the components to make the specified circuit figure 6 work, the triggering went from 10% duty cycle to 50% and then gradually back towards 10%... even though the figure 2 signal was going from 10% towards 90%

so i came up with a better alternative that will work with up to 20 VDC that simulates correctly.
I will wait to see if anyone builds the 74122 version and then post my actual scope results from my cd4538 version

as long as the end result is the same who cares what the schematic or components are.

Don have you tried running both simulations i posted?

Also Don, what frequency range are we shooting for on the variable pulse freq. gen fig 12  ?
will the fact that there are divide by 2 chips on FIG 12 cause a perfect 50% duty cycle, becausecause those 555 timers are terrible on their waveform for output

Here's the schematic for the gating signal.
There is some bleed through from the back of the sheet,but it's still readable.Someone can do a better job with MS Paint or whatever (TONY)
Don

thanks for all you are doing. Please help with this one sir. the schematic you posted does not simulate with the component values given
attached is a multisim 11 file to show exactly what i mean, here is your circuit for you to simulate (attached)

i believe a CD 4538 will work better with a slightly different configuration for the circuit ( i posted  it in another section of this topic)
thANKS AGAIN!