Step Charge Waveform (scope pictures)- am i on the right way?
Started by unknown · · 70 posts · last reply 31 December 2015
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#26 · date not recorded
I am still waiting for the "tremenduous amount of hydrogen and oxygen gases" as Stan stated.
TGS can't show any usable production and come here to critisize and desencourage others.
I dont want to see more SH** from TGS until he show some good production with his mixed setup.
My setup produces more with 24v@100ma than TGS with 7kv.
Until that day, better stay away from my topic.
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#27 · date not recorded
Why wont you put us at ease there TGS and give us some gas readings.
I might give some MMW numbers but as far as putting on a show for you all with the way you treat me and real science I don't think so. Thus far none of you have been able to surpass the gas production seen in this video with your efforts to reproduce Meyer's technology;
And this is the waveform that goes along with the experiment:
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#28 · date not recorded
Where is the Ammeter?
We need to know exactly how many amps, and volts or the power (W).
Your scope shot shows 196V max
How about amp load?
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#29 · date not recorded
OH GOD! AMAZING!
You're wasting near to 420W (based on the video description) of electrical power! PRISE TO LORD!
And wasting our time with your pathetic interpretations of stanley meyer stuff.
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#30 ·
OH God! AMAZING!
You're wasting near to 420W (based on the video description) of electrical power! PRISE TO LORD!
And wasting our time with your pathetic interpretations of stanley meyer stuff.
Im glad he posted that X-Blade, maybe his fans will reconsider the bullshit that spews from his keyboard warrior fingers.BTW....
Merry Christmas !!!! -
#31 ·
You all just summed up what is total wrong with Open Source sites as it all about competition as none of you are willing to learn a thing when you see someone doing something you yourselves can not do.
Lets look at just what it takes to get the Electrical Polarization Process working according to Stanley Meyer. Meyer states that it takes 1kv or more per resonant cavity to get the process started. Now if you have an exciter array with 11 resonant cavities wired in series that is going to take 11kv or more to get it to work correctly and if you have one with 10 resonant cavities wired in series it's going to take 10kv or more to get it to work correctly. With a show of hands tell me which of you has ever gotten close to placing voltages this high on your exciter arrays.
I show voltages that are getting close to this benchmark voltage Meyer says is what it takes to get the Electrical Polarization Process stated but since these Open Source forums are all about competition no one ask just how the heck did I do that but instead get mad at me for getting close to the benchmark voltage Meyer has set for us to reach. Some even resort to lying about their work to make it appear they are getting higher voltages than me not understanding that their lies are over the benchmark voltage Meyer gave for us to reach but there setups aren't working correctly. These lies put them in a difficult position in the either they are lying to us or Stanley A. Meyer is lying to us and if it is the ladder then why the hell are we following his work?!!
You talk about that video as if I ran the experiment yesterday but it was ran many years ago using the 8xa circuit and the kicker is your work can't surpass those results and again you get mad for someone calling you out like this instead of asking questions of just what it was did I do to get this 1LPM of gas production using an 8xa circuit with pure distilled water. Yeah, it's only a little more than 1LPM but none of you have surpass this as of yet, not Max, not Russ, not anyone other than someone calling himself spaceman. But you like to rag on people as somehow it makes you feel good about yourselves but never show your work in a presentable manor. Why is that? What are you afraid of?
The bigger question is why isn't Open Source working what is wrong with it's view on getting this technology up and running and out to the masses? The answer to this question can be seen anywhere my work gets posted as instead of asking question these type of forums move to rag on you instead of trying to advance their work. They only care for getting pats on the back when they think they have done something right and get really upset when someone shows them Meyer's own words that makes what they are showing us to be incorrect. They ask, "am I on the right way?" and when they get an honest answer that tells them they are not they get all bent out of shape about it instead of asking how can they correct their work so that it matches up with what Stanley Meyer talks about in his lecture videos. Open Source doesn't work as it got taken over by a bunch of Blind Leaders who can care less about the truth as long as they can get some pats on the back from their blind followers.
But again I ask you to show me anyone else working on this technology that is getting more than 1 LPM? Sure that is crappy gas production but to the best of my knowledge not many has reached this level of gas production with their work on Stanley A. Meyer's technology. Since this is a competition based site and not a learning based site someone please show me gas production greater than that old 8xa circuit video of mines. Surely after what was just said here you can show your work doing a whole lot better than this, correct? Common show your work or is a waveform that is incorrect the best you all have to show for your work?
But since I know you are really hear to rag and not to learn here is another video showing even more gas production as I started to learn how to actually get high voltage to my water fuel capacitor. My learning at this point was below basic concerning this technology but by making use of the scientific method I was able to learn from my early work and keep increasing the voltage being applied to the water fuel capacitor to over 9kv now. Oh, almost forgot, since you like amp load readings at 9kv the amps flowing through the water fuel capacitor are only 0.6mA.
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#32 ·
Hello guys i would just like to drop my two cents,
in my tests i can go up to 100v applied to the primary at 5 amps... the mean 500w and seriously i wish i could see others being able to do so... because it mean you break the technological step to be able to apply at least power to try to do something...
i have found how is hard to put power at the correct point... the pll helps with that but the point really is if you are not capable of circuit design after are 12v 3 amps you will start to get in trouble... so is sometimes very good to see others devices to understand how they have overcome the difficulties... i posted here my secret in getting power to it... who reads what i wrote may have noticed...
I really hates competition i believe in sharing my thoughts and ideas willing to have someone who understand it and can help develop them if possible... i´m not anyones competidor nor teacher... i´m here for learning the most i can and to change with you all I can.. Sorry if i sometimes won't post so detail info.. in my opinion we are not alone here and we must prevent this technology also to get the wrong hands... i think you would understand what i mean not them as you have the right mind spirit for understanding my ideas.. if i explained in a way more profound probably anyone could understand..
you guys helped me a lot in the sense that if there wasn't anyone to exchange any idea probably most of us would have stopped working on it by lack of motivation... For me is very motivation to see you here present working and discussing, even in a bad manner we are together.. we say family fights but after all we are all brothers!
Now take a look on a microwave oven and check what is a magnetron and what is a resonant cavity! -
#33 · date not recorded
Meyer said a lot of contradict.
This KV voltage are on the coils only.
Look at the dune buggy transformer; Did it release some kilovolts to a diode that supports only 600v?
I dont think so!
Put the scope probes over the coils, or simulate on Multisim and get a measurement.
If (I am not saying exactly it is) all coils sharing the same core, the two chokes become part of secondary, based on Tony Woodside and Dynodon measurements of inductance ratio relative to primary coil, you can see the maximum this transformer produces with load is 250V.
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#34 · date not recorded
Hello xBlade i can generate 10kv and up pulses dc with that diode without letting it burn... i know that because i can draw a huge arc and only one side of the arc gets hot! meaning only one side is receiving electrons to heat up...
the reason why it don't burn is that the chokes and secondary plays different roles..
the choke coil don't let current to reverse or even change so fast so the diode wont see the peak reversal voltage of the secondary...
look how a microwave diode works and put a coil in series with it and you will understand what i mean..
it allows a capacitor to be charged positively from ground potential making that when the secondary reverts the capacitor and coil sum potentials to negative kv range and forces the electrons thru the magnetron... this diode act as a blocking diode...
The cooking place of the microwave oven is a resonant cavity (i mean where you put the food)
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#35 · date not recorded
Thank you sebosfato.
I read some topics you wrote and it makes a lot of sense to me.
And im glad to see you are brazilian, im from Portugal. It can be easy to contact you and exchange some point of view.
Best wishes.
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#36 · date not recorded
TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions). -
#37 · date not recorded
Cool X blade... good to see someone portugues on this too!
i´m trying to find how it works man we are all trying and we may do it if we are in the right mood!
I glad you could see some that i wrote and that it makes sense to you.
I agree with the fact that meyer gave lot of contradiction for us to work with, but i went to university to try reach his knowledge base so i could understand what he was talking about..
almost 9,5 years of work, and most here also from the same time or so... i believe this is because the internet boom after the year 2005 and so people like us could know the existing Stanley meyer story! Some were already educated in the field of sciences and wasn't ready to learn more and left it go... others still keep strong and don't let it go. Also some have less knowledge but a so big heart and will to learn that it compensates it. I´m saying that no one is better than me and i´m not better than anyone here... for me i respect all the efforts of all the people evenly as i want to get peoples respect when is my time.. Of course some people need or deserve a little more attention as they claim to have theories and show some of their excellent very beautiful work like many did and so my action is to be here and listen and learn what i can just the same. I also have my theories which i tried to silently public release but i got no much answers on it.
For example one of my theories tell me that the cell should charge to make alignment of molecules and than the potential must be simply reversed fast enough to allow the reverse polarization of the electronic clouds of the atoms turning off the covalent bound!
...this is the explanation of meyer in the newzealad... the oxygen become negative and repel the covalent electron...hydrogen gets positive and attract the electron...
it only makes it worst to live without
so lets talking about it
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#38 · date not recorded
TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).
Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.
I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png)
The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?
The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg)
You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.
Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS -
#39 · date not recorded
TGS is trying to charge it with a very large high voltage transformer, this is the point we disagree (and other questions).
Wrong again! Since I stop sharing my work after the responses I got from showing high voltage being placed on the water fuel capacitor for the very first time were asking nothing and only aimed at trying to tell me I was doing it all wrong. People went into a frenzy trying to tell everyone that I was doing thing the wrong way and that Meyer had lied to us. You see before this no one had ever figured out how to place a high voltage potential on the plates of the exciter array. This showed that Meyer was in fact telling us the truth as it was possible to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array just as he tells us he was doing. But instead of questions on how did I accomplish this all I got was ridicule and disdain.
I ask very clearly for anyone working on this technology to show results of getting just 1 LPM or more of gas production and I don't see any videos, why is that? I showed you my video of me getting more that 1 LPM of gas production using pure distilled water with no type of acid, base, or salt being added to the water, and no, I did not coat any of the electrodes with something as they are in direct contact with the water in these videos. Surely after all of this smack talk someone can show a video of them getting at least 1 LPM using Meyer's technology can't they?
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/FIGURE7-1.png
The leads of the differential probe is to be placed on the water fuel capacitor as the voltage must make it to the load. The positive probe lead goes to 66/E9 and the negative probe lead goes to 67/E10. If your voltage doesn't make it too the load how are you going to ionize anything? This is an easy question to answer taking a look at other parts of Stanley Meyer's work like the Gas Processor as it uses the same coil set up to ionize the gas atoms or are you going to say Meyer figured out a way to ionize the air breaking the bonds of the oxygen molecules, which are the targeted molecules he wants to break down, without the need for high voltage? You see the rules for ionization don't change using electricity to go about ionizing atoms. If you are going to ionize atoms using electricity you must place a high voltage potential difference on the targeted atoms. These rules don't change as that is the way ionization works when using electricity to ionize things so you must get the voltage to the target and somehow you all forgot what the target is. The target is the atoms that make up the water molecules, IE, the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. That's the target for ionization and if you are not getting the voltage to the target how are you to go about ionizing these atoms to facilitate breaking the bonds of the water molecules as Meyer tells us he is doing with the Electrical Polarization Process?
The voltage intensifier circuit is designed to place a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the water fuel capacitor while restricting the flow of amps into the milli amp range, isn't that what Meyer says? So, when I show you my results of doing exactly that why don't any of you want to learn how to do it too is my question? Yeah, you pointed out that the VIC transformers I showed in use at the 2013 Global BEM wouldn't work on the exciter array and I tell you know that was a very expensive lesson to learn, but I did learn that lesson as I am not afraid to fail for I understand we learn most from our failures. My setup now looks similar to this but is more compact and refined as my re-design of Meyer's technology can be carried by one man without much trouble at all:
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/VIC_ResonantCavity_Units.jpg
You see I am placing a high voltage potential difference on the plates of the exciter array to go about performing the Electrical Polarization Process just as Meyer describes in his patents and many lecture videos. I got the voltage to the target for I never got so lost as to forget that the targets are the atoms that make up the water molecules. But as I stated I have a little bit more voltage to go before I reach the benchmark Meyer states that is needed to be reached of 1kv per resonant cavity as currently I am at 930-940 volts which close but no dice. With the new design I am working on right now I should be able to reach and surpass this benchmark Meyer's says it needed to make the technology work correctly. Now if anyone still thinks high voltage isn't the way to go to go about the Electrical Polarization Process then you need to listen to the New Zealand video again as Meyer clearly states if someone places a high voltage on the water molecules they have violated my patent rights.
Well, I have to get back to building this new setup as it isn't going to build itself.
Take care all,
TGS -
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I agree with that TGS , meyer said exactly that!
thats what i´m trying to do i think,,,
when you get your both probes leads connected to the same point in the circuit there should not be any signal... but anyway there is a noise... if you get 1000v from cell to ground and place both leads at the 1000v pulsing how much noise you get on the differential signal?
i have something real not good to work with... thats why i shield my cell trying to get rid of it.. did your is shielded like mine? -
#41 · date not recorded
Oh boy, here we go again.
TGS (Ed) trying to mark his territory!
Do you know why science has
setup things the way they have? It's to keep people like you and Stan out.
How would you feel in your profession if some random person came up to you
and told you that your wrong, then used terminology that is not only incorrect, it's laughable.
Would you believe him. You've got a personality like sand paper chill out man. Your
not going to win the grand prize!
OMG, OMFG! -
#42 · date not recorded
TGS you show amp meter without volts in. what was the power in?
This s not resonant cell its a crap forced high voltage electrolysis below Faraday Electrolysis.
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#43 · date not recorded
I agree with X-Blade,
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#44 · date not recorded
Hey Adriank,
i don't think Stan ever used a wrong terminology... Stan was a man of science and very high level for what i observed.. He has develop an argumentation to be able to patent it and keep it from who dont have the same knowledge base of his to be able to understand what he was doing.
I started a physics course to get to known in the language of science... without it could even be here telling you that my felling was very strong and i was in the right direction and all but truly, of course if i´m now a physics guy i know more than i did before studying it and my felling isn't much worst after all. maybe i´m little older and slower but never dumber haha
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#45 ·
Oh boy, here we go again.
TGS (Ed) trying to mark his territory!
Do you know why science has
setup things the way they have? It's to keep people like you and Stan out.
How would you feel in your profession if some random person came up to you
and told you that your wrong, then used terminology that is not only incorrect, it's laughable.
Would you believe him. You've got a personality like sand paper chill out man. Your
not going to win the grand prize!
OMG, OMFG!
Looks like your correct as it seems Ronnie and team are going to be the first to get a working model but only time will tell.
As for the science behind the technology? I understand what must be done now by way of trail and error making use of the scientific method. It took a long time to figure this technology out but at least I know understand just how Stanley A. Meyer did it
If at any point you notice that I did not give some information it means I wont okay X-Blade?
I'll keep checking back from time to time to see if any one post a video showing more that 1 LPM of gas production using Stanley Meyer's technology as I see nothing but a lot of claims here with no video or photographic proof. People running around saying that they have put 10kv or more to their water fuel capacitors but no photos of the waveform showing the proof of claims of the event. See in this photo the differential probe leads hooked up directly to the exciter array? As that is how I have the setup connected and if you wish to compare apples to apples then you too must also have it hooked up in the very same spot. I am getting the high voltage to the target just as I have shown but I don't see anyone else showing the same results.
But now with all these latest comment you can clearly see this site is one of Competition!
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#46 ·
Was that just a reasonable amount in the scientific method or did that number just leak out of your mouth..... PROVE IT..... please
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#47 ·
I don't get it....
Since when are you the judge of everyone else's work Ed?
Everyone here is following their own path of learning and experimentation.
There's more people doing much more work that aren't on any forums than those in the forums.
Do you really think if you post the first working model you'll get any credit for it?
Why has this become a competition? What's the deal?
People are just posting and sharing what they are learning and have done. Then you come in and tell everyone they are wrong and your 'the only one' who knows how it works!
Do you see why you don't have many friends on the forums?
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#48 ·
I don't get it....
Since when are you the judge of everyone else's work Ed?
Everyone here is following their own path of learning and experimentation.
There's more people doing much more work that aren't on any forums than those in the forums.
Do you really think if you post the first working model you'll get any credit for it?
Why has this become a competition? What's the deal?
People are just posting and sharing what they are learning and have done. Then you come in and tell everyone they are wrong and your 'the only one' who knows how it works!
Do you see why you don't have many friends on the forums?
Read earlier post so you can get up to speed on the topic as you jumping in the middle isn't working for you as you are taking things out of context. -
#49 ·
Was that just a reasonable amount in the scientific method or did that number just leak out of your mouth..... PROVE IT..... please
For right now the goal is to reach the benchmark Meyer set for us in the patents of reaching 1kv or more per resonant cavity to get the Electrical Polarization Process running correctly. Thus far I seem to be the only one getting close to actually reaching this number and if successful I will be able to say if Meyer was telling the truth or not from a experimental point of view.
What all of you fail to realize is I don't have anyone to compare notes with right now as I don't know of anyone getting voltages to their cells this high or if anyone even has the same goal of reaching this benchmark Meyer talks about in the patents. As for proving anything to you, why as I showed you mines and you have failed to show a single thing, am I correct?
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#50 ·
Not sure if the you commented me adriantek i´m no judge i was just telling you how i feel about stan... TGS has his belief and i have mines... i´m just trying to make of this relationship the better it can be..
TGS i will do some scope shots to show you.. but i will ask one more time what is your noise level pulsing the differential probe both leads at 1kv amplitude and maybe at 10khz... just to know if how much noise i get is normal... i get more than 200v on the 2000x noise in that condition for me its not going to help anyway... i did a cage to shield and try get the right measurements.. how about you?
how you put 10kv there and get no interference?
TGS you talk about using this equipment but its error is essential to know what you did, in the scientific world if you give me a measurement and not the precision of your measurement it is totally not useable... To get a real measurements you must make tables and include the propagation of the errors and all...
so i ask once again what is your precision? at least noise level? so we know we can compare apples to apples like you say.
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