Bob Boyce
Started by unknown · · 99 posts · last reply 31 December 2018
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#1 · date not recorded
Hello,, After Living with and testing the alternator over a period of time great knowledge grows on you.
i have found the reason my alternator setup really works so well, it is because it uses 3 phase Harmonics, very much like the harmonics that opera singers use to break glass, but this type of harmonic that bustes water found by the alternator and bob boyces setup is intermingled, or 3 in 1.
to who does not build the alternator, atleast build the bob boyce circuit! Here is the link.,
Bob Tuned into the Harmonic Resonate Frequency Of Water!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just like we did with the 3 phase harmonics from the alternator.
Harmonics is used to break things, and the high gas output i seen inside my cell did not come from amps and volts people, there was something else causing this high gas yield, "THE RESONATE FUEL CELL" where the harmonic waves causes the Water Molecule to Break Just like the opera singer causes the Glass to shatter.
The Resonate fuel cell is now understood(bob boyce) and Has been understood(bob boyce) and OVERLOOKED by ME for a long time now. after realizing why the alternator works so good, and comparing that to BOB BOYCE system, IT IS CLEAR ALL YOU NEED IS RESONATE!!!!!!!!
Anyone to work with Any resonate type cell please post your info here, 2008 brings to us a new year of understanding what is really going on here. -
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Hi hydrocars,
I did test the 3PH resonance drive circuit before but didn't measure gas output. I find it's a bit hard to tune the right frequency in three phases and ended up with blowing mosfets. I will go back to this circuit once I got some free time. I suggest you guys focus along this direction and probably can get results faster since the method already tested by Bob Boyce. There must be some hidden secret Bob never release to public.
If some effort put into this line, I'm confident that you guys can break the rule. Frequency 10.7kHz, 21.4kHz and 42.8kHz. Happy experimenting.attachment_464 PWM_circuit2.gif
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nice info guys, well im not sure if the circuit works with or without electrolite, in the pdf link i posted it tells you, i just forgot. I NEVER USE ELECTROLYTE! I NEVER HAVE, i have used salts for test, but maybe 2 or 3 times.
the alternator is resonating with the fuel cell. you do get free hydrogen when you hit resonance, apararently the 3 phase harmonics does just that, but its not alot of free hydrogen it should still be taken to the next level.
im not sure if stan woke up one day and said hey, i want to hook my cell to a alternator to get 3 phase harmonics to super bust the water? or if he hooked it up by accident and seen that the harmonics could be used to cause a tremendous gas output and quickly forgot about the alternator and started on resonate frequencys.
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Would you say the main differences between your alt. set up and boyce's schematics is boyce uses an electrolite such as koh and you use just water? I've haven't seen any post where you use an electrolite.
Keep it simple. What ever information related to Bob Boyce method uses electrolyte (28% KOH) and what ever information related to Stan Meyer does not use electrolyte (just tap water with little conductive). I'm using Bob Boyce method now. -
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It looks like we are all thinking about using 3 frequencies now.
So do you think a 6 plate series cell should be used on our 12 V systems?
Boyce also says 1.5 V per cell for a resonant system so hence Kumaran with his 8 plates.
His system uses a plate cell like the ZooFFer cell
I had a go at winding a 2" TORROID with 30 metres of wire at the weekend and it took 4 hours to make a 2 to 1 ratio transformer. 10 metres primary and 20 metres secondary winding. I am not so impressed with the results of the transformer yet so intend to try the CCT output direct to the cell at first. -
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I found someone on ebay selling a Bob Boyce PWM3G Electrolyser Kit c/w PCB
(http://i23.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/ca/cc/3969_1.JPG)
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Hi,
what are the critics on this ebay seller?
If they are good, and you wanna make a Bob circuit...and electrics is not yr best point....
I would say go for it..unless the price is sky high.
br
steve -
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I'm in the process of assembling a large cell with two rows of 61 plates, 6" x 7" 14 ga, but they're 304, not 316 SS.
Cross sanded one batch, but I think I'll polish the other set to compare.
ALready got the UHMW milled, but it bowed so I gotta relieve the back side.
This is heavy-duty stuff, with heavy duty turtlebucks spent so far.
It all takes lotsa time.
Turtle -
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i cant wait to see it turtle!!!! and if you're going to run the boyce circuit id love to see that! -
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Hi Keith,
That is a very very S-cell!
Question: do you also do the "wrap a coil around the plates" treatment with your plates?
This cell is made for with the bob boyce circuit, a think, or has Pneu Engine already a new type of circuit developed for you?
br
bro steve -
#11 ·
There won't be any field generated around the outside, only power applied to the end plates.
I also have a 61 plate of 3" x 3" 22 ga 304 assembled to test, but I need to seal up the bottom with a perf plate for e-lyte flow. Hope to drive it with something Boyce as well.
Also, I'm gonna drive to meet Bob and take the cells with me to get his preferred driver. But that won't be till I git everything assembled and tested on straight DC so's I have a baseline.
P E is focused on Meyer stuff and I'm building four con tube cells for him. I'm also gonna spool up his torroids and VIC... that oughta be a challenge.
Pretty busy, and 60+ hours at work only heps the research budget, not time in the lab
Turtle -
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Keith,
Nice to hear that you meet Bob.
Bring him our regards!
So, you are a NO sleeper as well........
That creates a bond!
br
steve
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#13 ·
Night shift rules- while the rats are away the turtles will play-
I work alone.
Turtle -
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yeah turtle, everone always says the talking to bob.... i cant never figure out how to contact the man? anyhow... if you havent already droven up there when you do get there, ask bob what does he think about using full rectified 3 phase harmonics with his torroide.
i have seen that when a coil changes polarity it creates a sort of magnetic field, i think of it as electric fields but others refere to it is potential magnetics. if it is these fields we're after then pulsing the primary of bobs setup with 3 phase till you get harmonics would be the way to go?
harmonics is when all coils are changing states very rapidly in tune with each other, i say in tune, but each coil changes polarity one right after the other, this is a steady flow of potential magnetics or electric fields, whatever you want to call it. -
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just to help you understand, this is how the alternator works, the stator is constantly changing states when you hit harmonics. bob has 3 primary coils and one secondary, if you pulse all 3 primarys then the secondary will change states very fast, its clearly the fields we're after here "i think" -
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Hey Hydro,
Bob replied to me through yahoo water4fuel watercar group. That group has gotten so huge and I get 70+ e-mails a day from them, so I'm thinking about leaving the group. This is his yahoo e-mail: Removed by Hydro
This was his reply to me:
It's not worth continuing.
Steven Harris goes overboard to obtain products of math for typical
poorly efficient Faraday style electrolysis, then tries to apply that
math to everything. He is so off base when it comes to boosting with
hydroxy gas.
Nothing in Stevens math accounts for the typically higher production
efficiency of common ducted hydroxy gas generation, nor does he
account for the much higher combustion energy obtained by adding
hydroxy gas to hydrocarbon fuels. It takes far less than 5% per BTU
to get a significant boost using hydroxy gas, unlike tank hydrogen.
All of Stevens data and experience (what little there is as compared
to the real expert, Roy McCallister) are with tank hydrogen, not
hydroxy gas. At least Roy McCallister is honest about it, and will
tell anyone that asks that he has no experience with hydroxy gas.
Steven Harris cops an attitude like you're pissing in his ear or
something if you bring up the subject.
Bob -
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thank you kevin, i'll try and get up with bob asap, my energy for today has escaped me :/ -
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Hey Hydro,
Bob replied to me through yahoo water4fuel watercar group. That group has gotten so huge and I get 70+ e-mails a day from them, so I'm thinking about leaving the group. This is his yahoo e-mail: REMOVED
This was his reply to me:
It's not worth continuing.
Steven Harris goes overboard to obtain products of math for typical
poorly efficient Faraday style electrolysis, then tries to apply that
math to everything. He is so off base when it comes to boosting with
hydroxy gas.
Nothing in Stevens math accounts for the typically higher production
efficiency of common ducted hydroxy gas generation, nor does he
account for the much higher combustion energy obtained by adding
hydroxy gas to hydrocarbon fuels. It takes far less than 5% per BTU
to get a significant boost using hydroxy gas, unlike tank hydrogen.
All of Stevens data and experience (what little there is as compared
to the real expert, Roy McCallister) are with tank hydrogen, not
hydroxy gas. At least Roy McCallister is honest about it, and will
tell anyone that asks that he has no experience with hydroxy gas.
Steven Harris cops an attitude like you're pissing in his ear or
something if you bring up the subject.
Bob
Thanks a whole lot Kevin for posting my email address in the open in a public group. I have been deluged with spam since you did this, now I know why. Thanks to you I have to drop another perfectly good email address and obtain another one. You can bet this next one will not be given out to anyone in the groups!
Bob -
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hehehe
i recon u got quite a few mails and just as many question, im shure he didnt intend for this tho
if ur the Bob im thinking of, i hope it was just releaving of some steam, and not that ur steping down from the HHO research
btw do u know if pulses hawe been used on PEM cells or hawe u tried it?
BR
Mr Browngass
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i've taken the email down, even if it doesn't help.
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to all, i have been studying bob boyce's work for some time as well as many others. i have found a PDF file with detailed instructions about getting a car to run on water. this has the full construction of a 61 plate cell, with the electronics and many other components that he uses. I was wondering if anyone had experimented with his plate technology and have had any success?
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Quote from: Bob BoyceThanks a whole lot Kevin for posting my email address in the open in a public group. I have been deluged with spam since you did this, now I know why. Thanks to you I have to drop another perfectly good email address and obtain another one. You can bet this next one will not be given out to anyone in the groups!
Bob
This e-mail is already open to 7,000 people in the watercar forum so adding it to a forum of 114 members should not have done what you claim. None the less I apologize for adding it to this forum.
-Kevin
PS: We could sure use another good brain around here so don't run off to quickley. -
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cars do run on water so does diesels! to run a diesel on water all you have to do is get the engine hot and switch over to water.. This has been tested and it worked. Even stanley meyer later own used a direct water injector to run his engine 125 psi directly into the cylinder chamber. The problem is when you run directly off water your engine does not hold up. from what i've herd from a local source is a diesel engine will only last about 3 months.
i'm unsure of what hydrogen gas will do to an engine but it want be no where near as bad as using pure water. Bob boyce uses additives and he conditions his cells well. it takes him many days to do this and Sometimes if you get a contaminated conditioning process you have to start all back over. bobs cell produces a crapload of hydrogen but his hydrogen is different than the hydrogen you would produce without using additives. it appears like there is a lack of oxygen when additives are used.
i've herd that bob said at a certain frequency the hydrogen does change but i'm still unclear of what the change may be, it still cant compare to clean hydrogen. When you condition a cell like that and you apply the right wave forms like bob has applied then you do get a burst of hydroxy but this burst requires additives, our enemy. so therefor there is certain area's where bobs setup is very benifitable over normal electrolysis.
bobs setup also requires neutral plates, without additives his setup would not work period. The reason bobs cell is so energy efficient is because when he applies the pure Dc power to the plates the take a great charge made possible from the additives, there's something odd happening with his cell when he does this, and it works. bob then applies another wave on top of that pure dc wave to break the bonds of water. Why cant this be done without additives? it can, you havent found the proper cell setup yet.
for this to be true with out additives there must be a no additive cell, meaning, a cell that is in series that will conduct and take a charge without additives.. when you find this cell, you can do what bob does without additives and your hydroxy will be clean. but producing the hydrogen and knowing what to do with it is another story. with bobs setup you produce it and use it directly after its produced. bobs gas is great on demand. each way has their advantages. but bob is real and has spent much time in doing this gas from water stuff. its understandable that bob uses additives, this is his way of doing things.
there's more to stans technology than what i' have offered to the public, and there's nothing wrong with mixing magic tricks into this technology like stan has done. my research is mostly done by me alone where my sidekicks gets lured away and sometimes i do get thrown but i always manage to pull things back together. it's like a weed that messes with your head but the buzz can go away if you put the pipe down, and the longer you let the pipe be the clearer things get.
it would be good for many of you to go back and learn how the atom was found and the history behind it. who and how the little atom was discovered anyways? how did they know electrons exist and who discovered that and how?
back to my hole lol.
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Aloha,
h2opower, Why do you use this name?
You said "...Bob really is not on the right track" 50 liters a minute is not on track? Frequencies? Which have you personally been successful with?
You made reference to Dr. X. For the first time I ever posted this anywhere, I believe that it was Marcel Vogel who made this discovery, as Dr. X. He was a famous and interesting inventor who did a great deal of research in water. The Gov was spying on him because of the results he acquired. I recently met a man who worked with him a great deal, and he told me a story very similar to the Dr. X story of water disassociation.
You need to do more research on Bob, check out Patrick Kellys writings.
You talk about puppets, these are the people who believe what they are told without questioning, like for example people who think petrol is an acceptable fuel. Read about the Illuminotii if you want to understand why we are not permitted to use water as a fuel.
Dingle- same thing. After promises from his gov, he was dropped like an epidemic. Now he understands the reality of opportunities in water fuel.
Bill