Bob Boyce
Started by unknown · · 99 posts · last reply 31 December 2018
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#26 · date not recorded
Hi guys,
The best thing is still doing. Run tests. Find out if sertain things work or not.
I agree that there is a lot of crap out there. And some are delivered on purpose to mislead the people.
I have seem many examples. Its very easy to do.
As long as people like Dingel and others dont share there info, its up to you and me.
Br
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i've never heard of the automotive x challenge. The reason i have not tried to contact dingle is because for one, i do not know how to contact him... another reason is i am unsure his car is even running on water. as i said in the the previous post running a car on water is not a problem, all you have to do is force the water threw a diesel injector and under the diesel compression something happens when the block is hot, Stanley meyers ran his car this way also. if anyone of you have a diesel engine that you do not care about, try it, get the block hot and switch over to water.. assuming this will destroy your engine after a period of time based on what i've herd about it.
about the additives im not sure how potasium hydroxide is different from sodium hydroxide, i know sodium hydroxide is 100% drain cleaner, not sure about the other. i know i would not dare drank the water because it makes me sick just smelling it, i paid 8 dollars for a bottle of sodium hydroxide, used it, and it cracked all my plastic containers, i threw almost a hole bottle away, i don't want it in my house ever again!
i think dingle may have been using gas before he switched over to water... if i could talk with him,, i would ask him. -
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I am enjoying these discussions of hydrogen extraction in this and other forums. I just wanted to make an observation about the Daniel Dingle comment.
The question was raised whether or not he even ran his car on water or water and gas. I don't know how he did it, but I did notice that under the hood of his car were many chemical formulas and I tend to lean toward him using a variation of hydrogen alloys. Metal Hydrides if implemented correctly could easily supplement a liquid gas. Maybe as some have suggested even run a car. People have posed building the cars frame and other body parts out of the hydrides. Well any rate that is my two cents for now
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Aloha,
From my research on Dingle, I have learned the following. It is said that his cell was a battery which contained salt water. Modifications internally were unknown. It does separate hydrogen from oxygen. It runs on high voltage, probably one or more auto coils. If these are fired by the ignition, then increased RPM should result in increased output. He did start the cell for a period of time before starting car. There is a good discussion group in Yahoo. Countless people have contacted or tried to contact him. Likely he has become justly paranoid after being repeatedly lied to, threatened, and abused.
Like Mr. Boyce, who has run cars, boats, and who knows what on hydrogen. Bob has been the victim of unjust litigation because of his practices, and some expect him to jump out and get their cars running on hydrogen for them.
See "A Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices" by Patrick Kelly, Chapter 10: Automotive Systems,
"137 pages waterfuel.pdf". There you will read that not only did Bob make 50 LPM, but 100 LPM in short bursts.
I asked why you use the name h2opower because you seem very critical of the water fuel pioneers, and water for fuel itself. You must be aware Stan did his best, if his work remains misunderstood, it is unlikely that it is his fault.
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he is running a pancheo generator it uses aluminum , magnesium plates and bauxite ore which contains gallium mixed with salt water it creates pure hydrogen gas -
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Please i wish someone would lay something on the table, This could save me the trouble..
Gas is high, and its getting higher... you people are about to see a change in this world for the worse.. gas prices will never go down, they will go up until gas runs out or something takes over and thats the fact.
I pointed out to you a few post back what you should be learning, if you're unsure that you are right about something, then you probably don't know. if you are sure you know, then you know. Stan knew he needed a master patent way before he ever ever got his first patent, he was a business man! Stan told you CLEARLY that he used the KISS METHOD.
Stan did not Get a patent "running a car on water," Stan got several Small patents "it was thought out." ("you cant patent a car that runs on water") in the end when the master patent put all the small patents together, it was one big patent saying a car can run on water.. so all these patents put together runs a car on water! and stan then own the rights to this technology.
("stans goal was to slick the patent office") and thats just what he did! for that, he has the impossible patent, the patent it took him so long to get! he knew they would not give him the patent he wanted so he found a way to get it! he had this all thought out before he ever patented anything... he knew what he wanted.. if stan was alive and his technology was in use, he would be leader of the world! he would carry the most money. The people did not realize what stan had until the Master patent came along, it was then they seen what had happened, this is how it worked.
what does all this have to do with this post? well, you're picking a very small patent, the resonate water patent, and you're are trying to run a car on it ignoring all the other patents. there is more than 1 way to do the same thing, you don't have to use a hammer to drive a nail, the hammer can be substituted. The hammer is so simple and it works great! "it drives the nail right in," but its not your invention! so you create whats called a nail gun, and that is yours when you patent it! so now the nail gun shows another way it can be done and if you choose to use the nail gun then you can accomplish the same job!
my point is its hard to patent something thats so known, and simple, without new ways of doing something already done, there would have been no stan meyer patents, but stan is the one that brought forth Pulsed DC and took it up a level, but if you think water resonate and boil out of a cell then you're out of your flippin mind, stan will look you in the eye and tell you he has a resonate cavity, and he does, it does resonate, for that he wins this patent. but just because the water resonates doesn't mean thats what he used, in the way he did make the water resonate, but the fact is it was proved and used to gain the patent he needed.
in the end, you will see that every methode stan used was possible, and nothing he did was overunity or mind blowing. but he had to blow minds to get this technology where he got it.
a good example is: A man in an ice cube for 3 days, in this cube he is free to move around. Due to the weather outside the worker men has to keep the ice cold or it will melt. The man proves that he can stay in that tube for 3 days, you can see him in the tube shaking, he looks like he is going to die.
people watch, and they wait, 3 days passes and the cube is cut apart, and the workers pull the suffering man from the cube. the onlookers wonders if he will make it. The man lives and he proved that he "survive the cube." What you did not see is each time the workers blowed the cube to keep it from melting is his twin opened the door beneth his feet, as the ice was fogged by the workers you cant see in this cube, the twin brother would then rais up behind him as he makes his way down the hole, there is a room there with a refrigerator and tv where he gets to sleep and relax for 2 hours at a time, the brothers switch up every hour or so, so they dont freez.
Now, the man that was cut out from the cube, was he a liar? NO, he made it threw the 3 days.
the point is, you don't see everything, if it seems to good to be true, thats because it is.
you know the man was in the cube for 3 days, and for someone to tell you that he could not have been it would make you mad, because you sit there and you watched it! even though the skeptic "doctor" cant prove that he was not in the tube for 3 days he still has enough sense and knowledge to know its impossible.
so the doctor cant prove it, and the believer cant be skeptic from what he seen with his own eyes. But the fact is, The hammer method was used to fool you and make the doctor ask questions in which he can not figure out. The doctor knows this can not be done, but it was done right in front of his eyes, the doctor scratches his head and ponders in wonder. No lie was told.
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i like your attitude, and i like you! all the circuits do tend to relate. it has to work and you have to show proof that it works to patent it the way stanley did. Stan showed his work and proved it because he wanted that patent, and because of proof his patents was not denied. You have to have a patent even though the patent is not exactly what you're using, its called patent protection! you are not required to to put your actual protocol schematics etc,, into a patent, however the protocol in the patent may have major differences to the unit the patent is for. there is no law that requires you to patent the actual device, its patent protection. Sure, you will see alot of patents with the actual device in the patent, but there is times you will see a device, compare it to the patent and say hey, the patent is not related to this device at all? whats going on here? patent protection!
its nice that you're looking very deep into one of stanleys patents and comparing it to others work, but i feel you are spending more time on that device than stanley meyers spent on it. he used it to get what he wanted, the resonate circuit hooked to a resonate cell will never produce that type of gas in a good time range, it is energy efficient! it had to be to get the patent! thats why it works for its size.
if you was to hook 2 chokes in series with a fuel cell, you would see that the chokes would Block Current from the power source, at the same time the chokes is being charged they form a magnetic field around the core. this magnetic core is what blocks amp flow from the power device. when the power source is turned off the Magnetic field within the chokes collapses, the chokes forms a series like boost threw the power source sourcing backwards threw the diode. and there will be times the transformer is also working with the fuel cell. This shows and proves the vic, it can not be denied, it works. But the Deviced used to gain this patent had nothing to do with what stan was after, due to the patent laws stan was able to patent something that worked, to use something other than what was in the patent. stan was a business man.
Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie" -
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in your above circuit, it looks like you are trying to get very high volts across a conductor.
The high volts stanly talks about when he talks about the vic is the volts across the upper choke, L1 i think it is. Also the fuel cell takes a small charge. Stanley measures the volts just after the diode, and just before the cap on the negative side, so you would have L1 + C wich is greater than the input voltage. and you will find that the higher the voltage in this area means less gas, i have personally seen a vic that i've created go beyond 2 thousand volts powerd from a 12 volt source, where i was probably pulsing at around 5 or 6 volts.
Stan has also said that L1 was a Amp inhibiting coil, and Also he said this choke was a Frequency Doubler. So if you can applie the dave lawton circuit to a transformer to ring the chokes and pulse the chokes, you have chokes that is resonating double the freq that the transformer is resonating at, so this means there will come a time when the back emf from the chokes are in series with the transformer, if the chokes is not double the freq of the transformers output than you will never see this LC action happen, but you will see high volts. when the LC action happens the amps after L1 and before the cap is greater than the amps Before L1, this is true because when the chokes are being charged the cell is acting as a resistor because the amps are being restricted, when the source stops restricting the amps there is a collapse and then the Cap then acts as an conductor, and capacitor.
what everyone thinks is, the water fuel cell is a conductor, but stan hit a freq, the freq of water wich allowed high volts to be shown across the fuel cell. Stan did not say that the high volts was across the fuel cell, he talked in riddles, like for example, the voltage would go to infinity if the electronics would allow it. and he says that the water fuel cell takes on a charge. this leads you to believe that he is charging the cap and the cap has high voltage across it because he tuned into the resonate frequency of water. Nothing stanley says is a lie, everything works as stan says it works, and he explaines it well, the problem is people missunderstand what stan is saying, why? for one stan says it in such a way to confuse you because he wants it to confuse you. its all part of his protection.
alot of the problem is you guy's dont have the dvd's on stan, they are very very boaring to watch, but if you have these dvd's and you sit down and you watch them, the more he talks the more he tells on his self. he is a good guy and very very clever, but if you dont know what to look for and how to determine whats going on then theres no hope. alot of the truth is in the dvd's. but i picked up my knowledge on stan over a years period hardcore testing and using stan for a hero.
if you have built this circuit im sure there is somewhere you can use it in this system for a nailgun, so its not a wast of time. i have made many circuits and thrown them away time after time. it came to a point to where i was making so many circuits i had to learn how to start etching them, thats how bad it got for me. alot of effort is put into this hobby by many people and effort is what it takes to make us see the truth.
anyways this is my point of view of the situation, im very sure water does have a resonate frequency and if you find it and amplify it im sure water will just fall apart! maybe stan found this magic freq when he used just 12 volts 40 amps to the cell from the alternator. then again, if he found resonance dont you think he would have produced more than just 7 liters a min? again, stan said voltage across his cells was 12.5 volts, and he said that the alternator restricted amps, and it does! so i guess stan hit resonance at 12 volts 40 amps. i am talking about the setup that ran stans car, the one that got it going down the road!
the alternator does indeed restrict lots of amps. stan uses pulsed dc, he also has 9 tubes. its so great how he did this! the guy is amazing! -
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This is and example of the vic when the chokes are not double the freq of the input freq.attachment_861 cap.jpeg
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and here is what happens when the chokes is double the freq.attachment_863 cap1.JPG
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Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie"
Hydrocars
Are you basing your figures of 500 watts and 55 watts on page 60 of the test report?
Also, what was your calculation to get to the 7 liters per minute?
7 lpm is not that much!
I always thought that one need roughly 1 lpm to power a 1 horsepower engine.
But if Stan powered his buggy using only 7 lpm, that is indeed GREAT news!
It must be the quality of the gas making the difference....
Wouter -
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Since it is now public, and it is in the public domain, we now know that when stan ran his car on hydroxy he used 12.5 volts at 40 amps, 500 watts. He also stated that each tube was 12.5 volts 4.4 amps, 55 watts. he used 9 tubes meaning all 9 tubes at 55 watts adds up to be 500 watts. and this is the vic as you will also find in the documents that has been leaked into the public domain. The amount of gas produced was 7 liters in 1 min, 116cc's a ssecond, or around 12 cc's a tube, "that was no lie"
Hydrocars
Are you basing your figures of 500 watts and 55 watts on page 60 of the test report?
Also, what was your calculation to get to the 7 liters per minute?
7 lpm is not that much!
I always thought that one need roughly 1 lpm to power a 1 horsepower engine.
But if Stan powered his buggy using only 7 lpm, that is indeed GREAT news!
It must be the quality of the gas making the difference....
Wouter
yes 7 liters per min, that is 116.6 cc's in 1 second. Its on page 60. i disagree that the measurements was perfect, but i do agree he produced around 7 liters a min. i say this because i think he produced 6.2 liters and not 7 liters. but he had 116 cc's of hydroxy per second, so in 1 second does all 4 pistons go threw the intake stroke? and also your ambient air mix, then you find that he used about a 1500 cc engine, somewhere around that line.
well, you divide 1500, if thats what it was, by 4. this leaves you with 375 cc's per cylinder you would need. Now is that 375 cc's per cylinder pure gas or will you need a gas to air ratio? so 375 - 116 = 259 and.. so does this look right? does 116 part gas and 259 part ambient air look to be a good ratio for hydrogen? EGR etc,, 116--259
then again, all pistons may have not seen 116 cc's of gas. im not sure how many times them pistons goes up in 1 second. i think 116 cc's of gas in enough to run 2 cylinders, that would leave you with 58 cc's a cylinder and it would work right out this way.
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Albert Einstein had dyslexia, Difficultys in reading. -
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Aloha,
May I interject a different point of view which would contain the same components as we are already aware of, but with a slightly different goal.
What if the WFC is not a capacitor? What if the WFC is a battery? Many scientists feel that Stans device got it's energy from an unknown source. Coils can produce a doubling of voltage surge when the field colapses, but what else happens? Why does Mr. Boyce build those big toroidals?
Did Stan actually find a mechanical way to de-saturate the electrical component of the water? In the pulses between the voltage surges, was there an electrical desaturation of the stainless tubes, resulting in the electrical binding component in the water being vacuumed into the tubes, resulting in the forced decomposition of the water into the remaining elements hydrogen and oxygen?
This is my belief. It is called an absence of energy. It is shared by some of our favorite researchers.
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OBIWAN where are you?
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I am here, young Skywalker...:-)
Bill,
Its an interesting theory. Have you and your researchers already made any kind of testsetup to verify/confirm this? I can confirm to you that the wfc acts like: battery, capacitor, resistor and isolator. I also know that we can use any kind of circuit to power the wfc. Each of them will give you gas. One with less power and the other one with more power.
The proces of electron extracting works. I confirmed it. You can extract current from a charged wfc. But only when you charged it first.
If you wanna test with that, i can give you some tips, if you like.
br
Obiwan Kenobi
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I would love to know how to extract electrons from charged water. Could you please give me and others the info we need to do this. Thanks. -
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Aloha,
Sorry, I thought that it was clear that this is what Stan was doing. I believe that the reason we are having so much trouble making progress is because, although we know what was done and what components were used, we don't understand where we are going.
If you can add current to break waters bonds, and if the three primary elements in water are hydrogen, oxygen, and electricity, why are not we considering the most obvious option? You believe that you can take oxygen from water? You believe that that you can take hydrogen from water? Why don't you know and understand that you can take electricity from water?
Do you understand the basic natural laws of electrical saturation? That law is that everything in our atmosphere, according to it's nature (wood, iron, rock, water) has electrical saturation. Anything with a surplus of saturation, say an iron pole in wind, will release that surplus at the first opportunity. Anything with a deficiency of saturation will decompose if it is not allowed to draw in more electricity from the plentiful supply all around us in the enviroment.
Of all substances that we know of, water seems to be the most willing to co-operate with it's decomposition and transmutation. At the slightest hint, water will become steam, mist, vapor, liquid, solid. It will become a fuel as hydrogen/oxygen and in spite of us just turn back into water.
Big coils and inductors do more than generate voltage spikes. They can also act as a current vacuum as part of their process. Have you not read that in pulsed electrolisis, it is during the off cycle that the hydrogen is generated? How do you understand this? How do you explain this?
Bill
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Aloha,
Here is a post of Bob Boyce (in Yahoo- group Hydroxy- from 04/30/08) which I consider of some interest in the current discussion-
In answer to the question of why the H- is not attracted to the
anodes, it is because in a resonance drive system, the applied per-
cell potential is intended to be kept well below that which flows
substantial current. Only enough potential is applied to entrain the
water so that the polar molecules line up. The attaction is small due
to this low per-cell potential, still, some undesired interaction
does take place, which typically results in about 500 mA of current
through a well designed and prepared cell stack. I call this quescent
current.
As far as the source of the electrons, at the points in the cells
where these LEM standing waves collide, it appears that the high
energy collision of these LEM waves results in copious formation
of "new" electrons mid-solution. Tom Beardon was telling me that
these electrons may be popping into existance from the "virtual
particle flux", or some similar verbage. I am not as well versed on
his theory as he is, but something odd is taking place that is very
easy to replicate. The hardest part is getting the tuning right so
that this takes place within the cells instead of in the wiring.
This exact same phenomonae have been observed to occur in the
secondary winding of a properly wound and driven toroid. While
observing the primary induced AC waveforms on the secondary of an un-
biased toroid, there is a strong HV DC potential that appears to come
from "nowhere" that can be used to directly charge up a capacitor or
battery bank. It is exactly this odd behavior that has driven me and
a couple of other researchers to continue researching this device as
a direct power generator that taps directly into this environmental
energy. This behavior is fully replicable with less than 2 watts of
drive energy applied to a hydroxy gas wound toroid, if the drive
waveforms are correct. Oh, and the polarity of the DC can be changed
by altering the way the toroid is wound and / or driven.
As far as the oxygen being produced monoatomic, I have no way to
verify one way or another. There is such a surplus of electrons
produced by this process that everything that comes in contact with
the hydroxy gas gets negatively charged. I refuse to use any metal
components in the hydroxy gas flow path anymore, as I hate getting
badly shocked by touching things that should not be shocking me ;-)
Bob
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#46 · date not recorded
Aloha,
Hi Bill,
Sorry, I thought that it was clear that this is what Stan was doing. I believe that the reason we are having so much trouble making progress is because, although we know what was done and what components were used, we don't understand where we are going.
If you can add current to break waters bonds, and if the three primary elements in water are hydrogen, oxygen, and electricity, why are not we considering the most obvious option? You believe that you can take oxygen from water? You believe that that you can take hydrogen from water? Why don't you know and understand that you can take electricity from water?
Do you understand the basic natural laws of electrical saturation? That law is that everything in our atmosphere, according to it's nature (wood, iron, rock, water) has electrical saturation. Anything with a surplus of saturation, say an iron pole in wind, will release that surplus at the first opportunity. Anything with a deficiency of saturation will decompose if it is not allowed to draw in more electricity from the plentiful supply all around us in the enviroment.
Of all substances that we know of, water seems to be the most willing to co-operate with it's decomposition and transmutation. At the slightest hint, water will become steam, mist, vapor, liquid, solid. It will become a fuel as hydrogen/oxygen and in spite of us just turn back into water.
Big coils and inductors do more than generate voltage spikes. They can also act as a current vacuum as part of their process. Have you not read that in pulsed electrolisis, it is during the off cycle that the hydrogen is generated? How do you understand this? How do you explain this?
Bill
P.S. My brother has written for Lucas on Star Wars projects. True.
I like to read al this theory. But in practisch, what can we do with it.
If you use 2 plates and push water thru it into a hose and then into 2 other plates, you have your setup. On the first 2 plates you put power, and you put a lightbulp/transformer on the second 2 plates.
The theory is that you get ride of electrons in the water. No electrons, no covalent bondings....
I have light a bulp that way. So that works. I didnt measure correctly the amps and volts on both set of plates. I will in the near future..
No offense, but i have seen so many theory,s but nody proved it. Maybe a coil is a current vacuum. I believe what i and Brian have seen and have tested. A coil , when pulsed creates a magnetic field and when the pulse goes off, the magnetic field collapses and current flows from that. That change happens with help of something like photons. Its to complex to explain, but you can see it happening on a scope. The high voltage spike happens in the off time of the pulse and when the coil is correctly wired, the spike goed into the wfc.
It is possible that that spike is hitting hard on the watermolecule.
For sofar...
br
steve
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Aloha,
Stevie- Did you say what happens to the electrons when you separate the hydrogen and oxygen in mass?
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Hello fellow enthusiasts! This is my first post here and I would like to share my results. I am electronically challenged so please don't ask me to explain mathematical theories or why it works. I, like many others, have been using 302 plates from H. Depot. I learned, from a metal place here in FL. , that when the boaters use stainless (even 316) on their railings, it must be treated with acetic acid or it will corrode. I place the plates in tupperware container with white vinegar for a week before I use them. Before I do that, I sand the plates N & South and E & West, rinse them off in distilled water and then put them in the container. As Boyce said, wear gloves and keep your fingerprints off of them. After a week in the vinegar, I rinse them off with distilled water and let them dry. Next, following Boyces instructions, I bundle them all together and wrap 6 turns of copper wire around them. One end of the wire goes to the positive terminal of the battery and I quickly touch the other end to the negative end of the battery (a dozen times or so.) For some reason, my production is much greater than not doing this, and the plates don't show any sign of corrosion..despite that they're 302. I use 13 plates, one negative and one positive with all neutrals in between. Enjoy -
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Please check out waterforfuel.com to see Kevin's alternator/ac to dc set-up. (YouTube). I think he's on to something with his inputting of d.c. volts into the alternator. I am working on a 61 plate Boyce-style plate system using Kevin's alternator design. One difference though, I will be adding a high input voltage, variable, mutliple bandwidth, d.c. pwm to the equation. So the setup would be this: 12vdc battery to 1500 watt dc/ac inverter to a 13 amp variac, to a bridge rectifier to the input of the variable pwm, to the pos.neg. terminals of a second, belt-driven alternator. Mod the alternator output to produce a.c.; leaving the neutral a.c. wires alone, mod the other wires with a bridge back to d.c., now send those three wires, pos. d.c/neg. d.c/ and neutral back to your cell. Please let me know if any of you have tried this setup. -
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Hello fellow enthusiasts! This is my first post here and I would like to share my results. I am electronically challenged so please don't ask me to explain mathematical theories or why it works. I, like many others, have been using 302 plates from H. Depot. I learned, from a metal place here in FL. , that when the boaters use stainless (even 316) on their railings, it must be treated with acetic acid or it will corrode. I place the plates in tupperware container with white vinegar for a week before I use them. Before I do that, I sand the plates N & South and E & West, rinse them off in distilled water and then put them in the container. As Boyce said, wear gloves and keep your fingerprints off of them. After a week in the vinegar, I rinse them off with distilled water and let them dry. Next, following Boyces instructions, I bundle them all together and wrap 6 turns of copper wire around them. One end of the wire goes to the positive terminal of the battery and I quickly touch the other end to the negative end of the battery (a dozen times or so.) For some reason, my production is much greater than not doing this, and the plates don't show any sign of corrosion..despite that they're 302. I use 13 plates, one negative and one positive with all neutrals in between. Enjoy
Voltar X
Thank you for the information.
Did you actually perform tests with electrodes not magnetized vs magnetized to compare the real time gas production?
Did the soaking in the vineagr make any difference in the gas production?
Wouter