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mrgalleria
7 posts · 4 more in threads this archive does not carry · writing between Apr 2008 and May 2008
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Bob Boyce
#45 ·
Aloha,
Here is a post of Bob Boyce (in Yahoo- group Hydroxy- from 04/30/08) which I consider of some interest in the current discussion-
In answer to the question of why the H- is not attracted to the
anodes, it is because in a resonance drive system, the applied per-
cell potential is intended to be kept well below that which flows
substantial current. Only enough potential is applied to entrain the
water so that the polar molecules line up. The attaction is small due
to this low per-cell potential, still, some undesired interaction
does take place, which typically results in about 500 mA of current
through a well designed and prepared cell stack. I call this quescent
current.
As far as the source of the electrons, at the points in the cells
where these LEM standing waves collide, it appears that the high
energy collision of these LEM waves results in copious formation
of "new" electrons mid-solution. Tom Beardon was telling me that
these electrons may be popping into existance from the "virtual
particle flux", or some similar verbage. I am not as well versed on
his theory as he is, but something odd is taking place that is very
easy to replicate. The hardest part is getting the tuning right so
that this takes place within the cells instead of in the wiring.
This exact same phenomonae have been observed to occur in the
secondary winding of a properly wound and driven toroid. While
observing the primary induced AC waveforms on the secondary of an un-
biased toroid, there is a strong HV DC potential that appears to come
from "nowhere" that can be used to directly charge up a capacitor or
battery bank. It is exactly this odd behavior that has driven me and
a couple of other researchers to continue researching this device as
a direct power generator that taps directly into this environmental
energy. This behavior is fully replicable with less than 2 watts of
drive energy applied to a hydroxy gas wound toroid, if the drive
waveforms are correct. Oh, and the polarity of the DC can be changed
by altering the way the toroid is wound and / or driven.
As far as the oxygen being produced monoatomic, I have no way to
verify one way or another. There is such a surplus of electrons
produced by this process that everything that comes in contact with
the hydroxy gas gets negatively charged. I refuse to use any metal
components in the hydroxy gas flow path anymore, as I hate getting
badly shocked by touching things that should not be shocking me ;-)
Bob
Here is a post of Bob Boyce (in Yahoo- group Hydroxy- from 04/30/08) which I consider of some interest in the current discussion-
In answer to the question of why the H- is not attracted to the
anodes, it is because in a resonance drive system, the applied per-
cell potential is intended to be kept well below that which flows
substantial current. Only enough potential is applied to entrain the
water so that the polar molecules line up. The attaction is small due
to this low per-cell potential, still, some undesired interaction
does take place, which typically results in about 500 mA of current
through a well designed and prepared cell stack. I call this quescent
current.
As far as the source of the electrons, at the points in the cells
where these LEM standing waves collide, it appears that the high
energy collision of these LEM waves results in copious formation
of "new" electrons mid-solution. Tom Beardon was telling me that
these electrons may be popping into existance from the "virtual
particle flux", or some similar verbage. I am not as well versed on
his theory as he is, but something odd is taking place that is very
easy to replicate. The hardest part is getting the tuning right so
that this takes place within the cells instead of in the wiring.
This exact same phenomonae have been observed to occur in the
secondary winding of a properly wound and driven toroid. While
observing the primary induced AC waveforms on the secondary of an un-
biased toroid, there is a strong HV DC potential that appears to come
from "nowhere" that can be used to directly charge up a capacitor or
battery bank. It is exactly this odd behavior that has driven me and
a couple of other researchers to continue researching this device as
a direct power generator that taps directly into this environmental
energy. This behavior is fully replicable with less than 2 watts of
drive energy applied to a hydroxy gas wound toroid, if the drive
waveforms are correct. Oh, and the polarity of the DC can be changed
by altering the way the toroid is wound and / or driven.
As far as the oxygen being produced monoatomic, I have no way to
verify one way or another. There is such a surplus of electrons
produced by this process that everything that comes in contact with
the hydroxy gas gets negatively charged. I refuse to use any metal
components in the hydroxy gas flow path anymore, as I hate getting
badly shocked by touching things that should not be shocking me ;-)
Bob
Bob Boyce
#44 ·
Aloha,
Sorry, I thought that it was clear that this is what Stan was doing. I believe that the reason we are having so much trouble making progress is because, although we know what was done and what components were used, we don't understand where we are going.
If you can add current to break waters bonds, and if the three primary elements in water are hydrogen, oxygen, and electricity, why are not we considering the most obvious option? You believe that you can take oxygen from water? You believe that that you can take hydrogen from water? Why don't you know and understand that you can take electricity from water?
Do you understand the basic natural laws of electrical saturation? That law is that everything in our atmosphere, according to it's nature (wood, iron, rock, water) has electrical saturation. Anything with a surplus of saturation, say an iron pole in wind, will release that surplus at the first opportunity. Anything with a deficiency of saturation will decompose if it is not allowed to draw in more electricity from the plentiful supply all around us in the enviroment.
Of all substances that we know of, water seems to be the most willing to co-operate with it's decomposition and transmutation. At the slightest hint, water will become steam, mist, vapor, liquid, solid. It will become a fuel as hydrogen/oxygen and in spite of us just turn back into water.
Big coils and inductors do more than generate voltage spikes. They can also act as a current vacuum as part of their process. Have you not read that in pulsed electrolisis, it is during the off cycle that the hydrogen is generated? How do you understand this? How do you explain this?
Bill
P.S. My brother has written for Lucas on Star Wars projects. True.
Sorry, I thought that it was clear that this is what Stan was doing. I believe that the reason we are having so much trouble making progress is because, although we know what was done and what components were used, we don't understand where we are going.
If you can add current to break waters bonds, and if the three primary elements in water are hydrogen, oxygen, and electricity, why are not we considering the most obvious option? You believe that you can take oxygen from water? You believe that that you can take hydrogen from water? Why don't you know and understand that you can take electricity from water?
Do you understand the basic natural laws of electrical saturation? That law is that everything in our atmosphere, according to it's nature (wood, iron, rock, water) has electrical saturation. Anything with a surplus of saturation, say an iron pole in wind, will release that surplus at the first opportunity. Anything with a deficiency of saturation will decompose if it is not allowed to draw in more electricity from the plentiful supply all around us in the enviroment.
Of all substances that we know of, water seems to be the most willing to co-operate with it's decomposition and transmutation. At the slightest hint, water will become steam, mist, vapor, liquid, solid. It will become a fuel as hydrogen/oxygen and in spite of us just turn back into water.
Big coils and inductors do more than generate voltage spikes. They can also act as a current vacuum as part of their process. Have you not read that in pulsed electrolisis, it is during the off cycle that the hydrogen is generated? How do you understand this? How do you explain this?
Bill
P.S. My brother has written for Lucas on Star Wars projects. True.
Bob Boyce
#40 ·
Aloha,
May I interject a different point of view which would contain the same components as we are already aware of, but with a slightly different goal.
What if the WFC is not a capacitor? What if the WFC is a battery? Many scientists feel that Stans device got it's energy from an unknown source. Coils can produce a doubling of voltage surge when the field colapses, but what else happens? Why does Mr. Boyce build those big toroidals?
Did Stan actually find a mechanical way to de-saturate the electrical component of the water? In the pulses between the voltage surges, was there an electrical desaturation of the stainless tubes, resulting in the electrical binding component in the water being vacuumed into the tubes, resulting in the forced decomposition of the water into the remaining elements hydrogen and oxygen?
This is my belief. It is called an absence of energy. It is shared by some of our favorite researchers.
Bill
May I interject a different point of view which would contain the same components as we are already aware of, but with a slightly different goal.
What if the WFC is not a capacitor? What if the WFC is a battery? Many scientists feel that Stans device got it's energy from an unknown source. Coils can produce a doubling of voltage surge when the field colapses, but what else happens? Why does Mr. Boyce build those big toroidals?
Did Stan actually find a mechanical way to de-saturate the electrical component of the water? In the pulses between the voltage surges, was there an electrical desaturation of the stainless tubes, resulting in the electrical binding component in the water being vacuumed into the tubes, resulting in the forced decomposition of the water into the remaining elements hydrogen and oxygen?
This is my belief. It is called an absence of energy. It is shared by some of our favorite researchers.
Bill
Bob Boyce
#25 ·
Aloha,
h2opower, Why do you use this name?
You said "...Bob really is not on the right track" 50 liters a minute is not on track? Frequencies? Which have you personally been successful with?
You made reference to Dr. X. For the first time I ever posted this anywhere, I believe that it was Marcel Vogel who made this discovery, as Dr. X. He was a famous and interesting inventor who did a great deal of research in water. The Gov was spying on him because of the results he acquired. I recently met a man who worked with him a great deal, and he told me a story very similar to the Dr. X story of water disassociation.
You need to do more research on Bob, check out Patrick Kellys writings.
You talk about puppets, these are the people who believe what they are told without questioning, like for example people who think petrol is an acceptable fuel. Read about the Illuminotii if you want to understand why we are not permitted to use water as a fuel.
Dingle- same thing. After promises from his gov, he was dropped like an epidemic. Now he understands the reality of opportunities in water fuel.
Bill
h2opower, Why do you use this name?
You said "...Bob really is not on the right track" 50 liters a minute is not on track? Frequencies? Which have you personally been successful with?
You made reference to Dr. X. For the first time I ever posted this anywhere, I believe that it was Marcel Vogel who made this discovery, as Dr. X. He was a famous and interesting inventor who did a great deal of research in water. The Gov was spying on him because of the results he acquired. I recently met a man who worked with him a great deal, and he told me a story very similar to the Dr. X story of water disassociation.
You need to do more research on Bob, check out Patrick Kellys writings.
You talk about puppets, these are the people who believe what they are told without questioning, like for example people who think petrol is an acceptable fuel. Read about the Illuminotii if you want to understand why we are not permitted to use water as a fuel.
Dingle- same thing. After promises from his gov, he was dropped like an epidemic. Now he understands the reality of opportunities in water fuel.
Bill
Bob Boyce
#47 · date not recorded
Aloha,
Stevie- Did you say what happens to the electrons when you separate the hydrogen and oxygen in mass?
Bill-Lea
Stevie- Did you say what happens to the electrons when you separate the hydrogen and oxygen in mass?
Bill-Lea
Bob Boyce
#29 · date not recorded
Aloha,
From my research on Dingle, I have learned the following. It is said that his cell was a battery which contained salt water. Modifications internally were unknown. It does separate hydrogen from oxygen. It runs on high voltage, probably one or more auto coils. If these are fired by the ignition, then increased RPM should result in increased output. He did start the cell for a period of time before starting car. There is a good discussion group in Yahoo. Countless people have contacted or tried to contact him. Likely he has become justly paranoid after being repeatedly lied to, threatened, and abused.
Like Mr. Boyce, who has run cars, boats, and who knows what on hydrogen. Bob has been the victim of unjust litigation because of his practices, and some expect him to jump out and get their cars running on hydrogen for them.
See "A Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices" by Patrick Kelly, Chapter 10: Automotive Systems,
"137 pages waterfuel.pdf". There you will read that not only did Bob make 50 LPM, but 100 LPM in short bursts.
I asked why you use the name h2opower because you seem very critical of the water fuel pioneers, and water for fuel itself. You must be aware Stan did his best, if his work remains misunderstood, it is unlikely that it is his fault.
Bill
From my research on Dingle, I have learned the following. It is said that his cell was a battery which contained salt water. Modifications internally were unknown. It does separate hydrogen from oxygen. It runs on high voltage, probably one or more auto coils. If these are fired by the ignition, then increased RPM should result in increased output. He did start the cell for a period of time before starting car. There is a good discussion group in Yahoo. Countless people have contacted or tried to contact him. Likely he has become justly paranoid after being repeatedly lied to, threatened, and abused.
Like Mr. Boyce, who has run cars, boats, and who knows what on hydrogen. Bob has been the victim of unjust litigation because of his practices, and some expect him to jump out and get their cars running on hydrogen for them.
See "A Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices" by Patrick Kelly, Chapter 10: Automotive Systems,
"137 pages waterfuel.pdf". There you will read that not only did Bob make 50 LPM, but 100 LPM in short bursts.
I asked why you use the name h2opower because you seem very critical of the water fuel pioneers, and water for fuel itself. You must be aware Stan did his best, if his work remains misunderstood, it is unlikely that it is his fault.
Bill