AC electrolysis
Started by unknown · · 49 posts · last reply 27 June 2010
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#26 ·
Hi and welcome mr. Woodhouse,
as you can see , many members tried to replicate meyers setup.
Like you, i am an engineer as well from education.
Of course we are all very curious about any scopeshot of Stan, because nobody seen one.
Do you mean with ac a half rectified waveform or true ac?
regards
Steve -
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QuoteAC Electrolysis is very possible, what do you think Stan Meyer's was doing!!! He used a digital circuit to produce an AC waveform across the WFC. That's the reason his chokes where connected 180 degrees apart from the cell, so that it would produce an AC output.
i think your sort of right there is a oscillation occuring in the chokes.. but they are being hit with a unipolar pulse (dc pulse) to ring them and in some of stans schematics he shows a diode after the choke going to the cell like his rotary vic schematic shows..
the water isnt taking on a ac signal it is getting pulsing dc.. i so not see the cell reversing current if anything staying above one volt with current only being amplified in one direction on a minute level.. during off pulse i dont see the reference of voltage passing 0 in the cell.. so when you say ac to produce gas.. im a bit skeptic.. now stan does using the idea of ac to a degree for the steam resonator.. in that set up stan is using a switching relay to flip flop positive and negative voltage across the plates.. this doesnt disturb the bond and forces a friction on water to heat it up by i think particle impact during switching. -
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You dont think thats what he was doing? I know what Im talking about here, Im an electronics engineer, what about you?
what about the diode(s)? -
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TonyWoodside
so you are a electrical engineer.. have you examined meyers complete circuit diagram? i haven't found one with all the componets labeled.. would you not be able figure out the values of the componets and share them?
me my self i would like to be experimenting with that complete circuit and try to lead off from there..
i hate it when people get on forms and say they have some information pertaining to the goal then say they cant share it lol.. its either flaunting or BS lil frustrating minus well of not said it at all lol. not to mention who ever falls into the belief that you are truthful which you may feel that way and really be but you yourself may be mistaken from your perspective of observation then you miss led people and delayed the outcome
could it be a dc offset wave? a unipolar wave oscillating from +1 volt to +12?
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#30 · date not recorded
Didn't Dynodon share a circuit diagram with component values not too long ago? I am pretty sure it was from one of Stan's boxes from the Estate for the demo wfc or varialble plate. I think that's what Donaldwfc is working off of; same circuit that's published in patent and in Independent Evaluation Report.
Regards,
Andy -
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Dynodon aint doin anymore experiments
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I wanna see some information on Tony Wooside's claims on waterfuelcell.org about replicating Stephen Meyers .
It is my gut feeling that this man is not truthfull .
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#33 ·
here's a simulation of the circuits I made to replicate these waveforms -
#34 ·
Well I am a bit dissapointed , I tought you were farther off than simming .
How are you so sure those waveforms result in the efficient fracturing of water ? We have learned with Stan that this wasnt the case time and again .
If this is supposed to be a radiating antenna as Stephen says then there is something we dont understand yet , how to make very high frequencies with low frequencies . And how can we trust the words of Stephen if the patent seems to have been rejected , I do not have an access code to see whats really goin on with that application .
I rest my case
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#35 ·
its not hard to get higher frequencies by using lower frequencies. If you know anything about digital electronics you know what I'm talking about here. Just take two frequency generators and use logical IC's. Like for instance take one frequency of 620Hz and OR it with a 630Hz frequency and you can get frequencies up into the kilohertz range...vary simple. The reason for this is because the two frequencies will overlap at some point and the OR gates output will contain higher frequencies than what is being applied. Just look at the Truth Table for the OR gate.
ex.
A + B = X
0 0 0
0 1 1
1 0 1
1 1 1
That's what the OR gates Truth Table looks like, 0 = low and 1 = high
Also the chokes will act as frequency multipliers depending on the value of the inductor, I've tested this for myself and by applying low frequencies across 10mH inductors I've got frequencies over 100kHz.
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#36 ·
your basing your assumption on an OR gate to "layer"/"combine" 2 frequencies??? an OR gate turns 2 signals into 1 signal by pre determined association. it select 1 OR the other...
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/boolean1.htmQuote"The next gate is an OR gate. Its basic idea is, "If A is 1 OR B is 1 (or both are 1), then Q is 1."
OR Gate
A B Q
0 0 0
0 1 1
1 0 1
1 1 1 "
nice try though... you want to generate 2 freq. with AC your best bet is the 2x alternator method... Set one freq. with one alternator then your second with the second alternator. Feed the out put of No.1 into Number 2... your output from number 2 is the frequency of number one over the top of number 2...
maybe OR gate to pulse DC voltage but those gates are not very robust compared to relays and MOSFETS...
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#37 ·
yea I'm talking about pulsed DC here...I figured you would know that by me say "Digital" circuit. AC is analog and digital is discrete or ON and OFF such as pulses. -
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your basing your assumption on an OR gate to "layer"/"combine" 2 frequencies??? an OR gate turns 2 signals into 1 signal by pre determined association. it select 1 OR the other...
Well it's doing what he said, but if you feed a 620Hz and a 630Hz wave into an OR-gate the duty cycles wouldn't be stable and change over time. But why discuss how to generate HF impulses? There's plenty of possibilities.
The thing is, that Meyer's method is nothing else than electrolysis by current. -
#39 · date not recorded
Tell me something I dont already know .
I tracked down Stephen Meyers's adress if anybody wanna call him and him about his patent , if he got it or not . Somebody call this guy up .
I have given up Hydrogen untill I have proof that his method works , I am trying a new invention . a RIFE device / laser hydrogen splitter . Maybe I'll investigate the SEC instead or the horvath device at least we got this working .
A 50 khz sinusoidal 3 channel with autolocked even harmonics that can be phased ( randomly ) and can be frequency keyed (randomly) .
My goal is to simply hit a harmonics of every frequency God has ever made .
Its nasty what I can do now .
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#40 ·
Tony Woodside , What circuit sim is that , I am at a loss with multisim , whenever I wish to simulate the VIC circuit on multisim it gives me timesteeoerror , I put my timestep real low and I still get the same error .
Itried to sim a single leg of that Stephen Meyers circuit , same error .
Tony why dont you sim that instead and come back here , you seem to be comfortable with your sim , would be a new thing , that single diode with 2 chokes has been tried out to the point that we can say it dont work .
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#41 ·
Single diode with two chokes? Are you referring to Stan's LC circuit? I know in his setup the diode is very important, with out it you wont get high voltages to you cell. I've tested this with my setup. I applied 20V to my primary and pulsed it with a 5V pulse via a 2N3055 transistor and I got 280V out of my transformer. I made my transformer to Stan's specs of 200 wraps on the primary, 600 wraps for the secondary and 100 bifilar turns for my chokes all wound on a single core. Without the diode I only get around 40V out and with the diode I get 280V out. It also depends on which end of your primary is connected to the variable DC voltage and which end is connected to the pulsing. -
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That is not what I asked but that is nice you built that .
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Dankie try adding a minimum resistance to the sim on multisim It use to help avoiding his kind of problems. I used it a lot in the las 4 years. Very cool sim.
Ac electrolysis can't happen alone, it is only used on the resonance part of the thing. You need dc component of the current. How one could apply high frequency field to an electrolyses while having thru the same set of electrodes huge current dc. Witch is the only way you can have high frequency voltage field being applied and at the same time create dc current of huge amperage???
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#44 ·
Tony woodside that is not what I asked you , I do not know what you were reading .
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#45 · date not recorded
Hi all,
Been a while since I posted to this thread. I've spent my time when not working on researching and building a resonant cell array. Not being a machinist the build has been challenging and on hold until I obtain another drill press. I had to return the one I borrowed.
Meanwhile I'd like to share some thoughts regarding AC electrolysis and how Puharich and Meyer might have gone that route and what its advantages are/were. One has to kind of research the history of discovery and where we are today and how we got here.
I propose a simple experiment. I have not done it yet but it seems feasible. Take one wire from a household outlet and wire it to the center of a couple of diodes similar to an avremenko plug. Take those 2 wires and connect to a light bulb. Compare the draw from the source to using 2 wires. Try with the hot wire and the common wire and see if there's a difference in draw from the source. Measure the heat evolved from the circuit and the light bulb with the different configurations. This is with a one phase or if you will a 2 phase system since you can do both wires separately and light 2 bulbs. This relates to Meyer's use of AC to drive his demo cells with household AC current and 3 phase alternator with 9 tubes and pulsing the rotor. With no load an electric single or 3 phase motor will draw some amps and more amps with load. Then the circuit needs to be "tuned". This is sort of related to early automotive ignition systems and positive ground system. I will post results soon probably after the holidays. It sort of makes sense to me why there are 9 tubes in the demo cell and 9 wires exiting a 3 phase filar or bifilar generator/alternator and why there are 9 switches. Any and all of the tubes can individually be on or off with respect to the source. Meyer only in my opinion gives half of the story but it is his truth and discovery. We all need to start thinking in higher dimensions not just linearly. The universe is not flat it is an infinite sphere. The water molecule is one of the smallest representations of that universe. Happy Holidays,
Andy -
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There is a theory, that i found which i believe seems what meyer based his ideas about universal energy. All protons in the all universe are connected together, they are wormholes or singularities that connects to each other. All this because of the density of the vacuum energy localized within the space inside the nucleus. Seems that the vacuum energy is calculated from getting the plank length which is the smallest wave length possible, ( when a photon basically is about to superpose another) so integrating a volume of space summing all this high energetic small wavelengths will give the density of energy of a given space portion. There is a guy which a friend told me about at the university, called Nassim Haramen that developed this theory explaining this.
Well this explain many things, from intergalactic delay-less communication and so on...
sebs -
#47 · date not recorded
I like this kind of info, Seb!
Thanks for sharing!
Steve -
#48 · date not recorded
You welcome my friend,
check his youtube video is pretty amazing when he talks, he start talking or destroying the conservation laws...
I got really interested, cause it became clear to me what Hartmut Muller, John Quincy St Clair, and others were talking about...
sebs -
#49 · date not recorded
Hi try to think in a different way of the AC you think of a sinusoidal wave try not to.
Look at a DC positive pulse and a negative pulse.
When you use this wave form on an inductor it’s a whole new ball game.
Then use resonant circuits oh you can have some real fun, get a thousand volts from just 50v and just a few amps. Applied to a cell correctly and lots of fun.
a push pull circuit in and an AC out and with a resonant circuit lot and lots of availianbe amps, then find the frequency.
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